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Dual Shock 4 is not a Move controller, light is for logging you in
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You think they will be cheap?
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Correct. They deffo said they weren't ready to talk about it yet, saw it in several interviews.
Though I'm sure it will be in every box.
Once everyone has a camera they can release a proper successor to the Sports Champions Table Tennis with online.
At this point I don't think so, if DS4 depended on it to work then it would need to be bundled with every console but in this case it will be probably used as an element to differentiate SKUs.
Basic SKU you get the console with the 250GB hard drive at the lowest entry price possible.
Premium SKU you get the 500GB hard drive, the 3D camera bundled and a subscription to PS+ (or whatever new service they'll come up with) for 100$ more.
I thought the same thing, never have I been in a situation where I think, this game would be better if my couch coop buddy could someone how gleam some information on my situation by turning round and looking at me instead of the TV.
If it somehow was wrapped round the top so that I could see at least a little bit of the light I would see at least some advantage but again I rarely if ever look at my control pad
TimeEffect
Member
How much cheaper are the parts going to be for the Move controller next gen?
I mean, enough to start bundling it with games? That'd honestly be the best way to sell this, outside of just bundling it.
Buy an $80 game with the Move controller bundled in, I'd be down for that.
I'd really like to play all my shooters with Move, especially MP, and I think it would offer a great competitive edge for marketing purposes. Will games like COD support it, or are they held back by the deal they have with MS, you think?
I mean, enough to start bundling it with games? That'd honestly be the best way to sell this, outside of just bundling it.
Buy an $80 game with the Move controller bundled in, I'd be down for that.
I'd really like to play all my shooters with Move, especially MP, and I think it would offer a great competitive edge for marketing purposes. Will games like COD support it, or are they held back by the deal they have with MS, you think?
At least it has Sixaxis, should games start making REAL use of that next-gen. Or at least to better ensure compatibility with Vita (and enable a good Gravity Rush sequel on PS4?)
i am reading this and it seems to me that it is not full fledged move controler, and it cant be since you cant grip it as one, it uses Eye for 3D tracking.
Also it says nothing about camera not included in PS4, unlike your summary.
H_Prestige
Banned
Thank god
Shai-Tan
Banned
here's what I was hoping:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=48041821&highlight=#post48041821
if that idea doesn't work well then it would probably be relegated to secondary things along with gyro (probably to replace things like quicktime events)
Giant Panda
Member
Even more of an indication that the dual shock 4 should have been a Move 2.0. Sony's just unbelievably stubborn.
Yo is this sixaxis shit free or something, what did they do? Mined the unsold wii motion plus or something. God damn why even use the name, it's so bad.
heat gradient system?
I think it has more advanced rumble.
Also when they were talking about the light led sensor, they were talking abotu the top of the controller or something on the camera bar?
Overall I think that Sony is trying to cover all their bases control wise which is not a problem but what comes in the box is going to be what devs and consumers will gravitate to.
heat gradient system?
I think it has more advanced rumble.
Also when they were talking about the light led sensor, they were talking abotu the top of the controller or something on the camera bar?
Overall I think that Sony is trying to cover all their bases control wise which is not a problem but what comes in the box is going to be what devs and consumers will gravitate to.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
I guess Sony did this so that all those unsold Moves didn't go to shit.
bigboss370
Member
I think they were compelled to put in sixaxis in there just for backwards compatibility purposes.
Some of the reasoning here is a bit confusing.
You say you don't want it because then developers will feel forced to use it. But following that logic means that developers will have to make use of everything the controller has to offer, and since the DS4 has inferior motion control, that means "waggle" is more likely than genuine control schemes that could enhance the experience... But that's good?
Someone please elaborate.
You say you don't want it because then developers will feel forced to use it. But following that logic means that developers will have to make use of everything the controller has to offer, and since the DS4 has inferior motion control, that means "waggle" is more likely than genuine control schemes that could enhance the experience... But that's good?
Someone please elaborate.
At this point in time BC for ps3 game is a no go.
I think the reason why they did this is because it is cheap and they probably have some software prototype. Motion controls and camera controls aren't bad but it isn't enough.
baxter2231
Member
the thing it works well on a handheld where the screen is attached, while this is not. So even if its just as good it may not be as intuitive
soxinthebox
Member
Nothing stopping you licking your controller buddy
Liabe Brave
Member
Okay, so we know the Dualshock 4 has a color-changing light panel on the front.
And the new PSEye will come bundled with every PS4, so they'll all have a camera. I think everyone--including me--has been assuming that together these two things are for Move functionality in every system. But then in the Drive Club thread I read this, from a CVG interview.
But there's a slight problem, since this would eliminate color-changing for Move games. That might be trivial, but then I thought of some other questions that've been brought up. What good are Move functions in a gamepad that'd be a bad pointer? Is that light really big enough to allow precise depth measurement? And given the placement, couldn't your fingers obscure it?
So now I think the light might be solely for identification and social push stuff, and not for Move at all. Those personalization touches were a big part of the unveil, and I don't think Sony has ever explicitly claimed the DS4 has Move functionality. What do you think, GAF? Is my theory plausible, or am I going too far on scanty evidence?
And the new PSEye will come bundled with every PS4, so they'll all have a camera. I think everyone--including me--has been assuming that together these two things are for Move functionality in every system. But then in the Drive Club thread I read this, from a CVG interview.
It's easy to understand how the Eye looks at the color and finds a local profile that matches it. But how does the controller know what color to be when you turn it on?! The only thing I can come up with is that each user account on a PS4 be assigned a unique color. Controller #1 will always be the color of the active account. If another account signs on simultaneously (rare but possible on PS3, so I assume on PS4 too), it'll use their personalized color.Evolution project lead Matt Southern said:
But there's a slight problem, since this would eliminate color-changing for Move games. That might be trivial, but then I thought of some other questions that've been brought up. What good are Move functions in a gamepad that'd be a bad pointer? Is that light really big enough to allow precise depth measurement? And given the placement, couldn't your fingers obscure it?
So now I think the light might be solely for identification and social push stuff, and not for Move at all. Those personalization touches were a big part of the unveil, and I don't think Sony has ever explicitly claimed the DS4 has Move functionality. What do you think, GAF? Is my theory plausible, or am I going too far on scanty evidence?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i doubt a hand will cover the entire light.
i think the light will be mostly used for where you are in regards to the camera. I'm unsure how "useful" it is, but you can definitely hold a DualShock3 in one hand, so why not the 4
i think the light will be mostly used for where you are in regards to the camera. I'm unsure how "useful" it is, but you can definitely hold a DualShock3 in one hand, so why not the 4
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
That light + six axis will probably make a great pointer.
I think its got multiple functions, and we have yet to see a game use the light for motion tracking.
Its probably a good feeling to pick a color with the touchpad.
I think its got multiple functions, and we have yet to see a game use the light for motion tracking.
Its probably a good feeling to pick a color with the touchpad.
Yes this keeps bothering me as well.
There is a rumor the controller holds your profile information so this could be part of it. Bring your controller to a frends place and you are logged into psn automatically.
My guess is the light serves multiple purposes. To be an indicator in games, your personal log in light setting, and can be tracked by the camera.
My guess is the light serves multiple purposes. To be an indicator in games, your personal log in light setting, and can be tracked by the camera.
KingHippo1967
Member
From Sony's official press release:
"DUALSHOCK®4 features a light bar on the top with three color LEDs that illuminate in various colors. The light bar illuminates to match the color of characters in a game to offer a simpler, more friendly way to identify players, even when playing side by side. The light bar also changes patterns during gameplay to provide useful information to gamers, such as when a character is critically low on health or has taken major damage."
So it still changes colour like a Move controller does. That said, I think you're right, Sony has never explicitly said it's for Move-like controls, though that's not to say it couldn't potentially be used for pointer controls in games like Call Of Duty.
"DUALSHOCK®4 features a light bar on the top with three color LEDs that illuminate in various colors. The light bar illuminates to match the color of characters in a game to offer a simpler, more friendly way to identify players, even when playing side by side. The light bar also changes patterns during gameplay to provide useful information to gamers, such as when a character is critically low on health or has taken major damage."
So it still changes colour like a Move controller does. That said, I think you're right, Sony has never explicitly said it's for Move-like controls, though that's not to say it couldn't potentially be used for pointer controls in games like Call Of Duty.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
"whoever is on the left gets the left side screen in split-screen multiplayer"
oh, who am i kidding, they're not even going to put split-screen multiplayer in anything.
Okay so you do need to have separate controllers for this to work.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
next gen means fuck playing with people on the same TV screen, get your own bitches!
shinra-bansho
Member
Every dollar from the BoM going into a camera I don't care about is a dollar that could have been towards features I do care about or a lower potential entry price.
So yes, I don't want a camera bundled. If I want it later, I'll have the option to buy it later - as will anyone else.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Lair.
yurinka
Member
wow, that's coolFor one it can help with head tracking by using the controller to center you no matter where you are sitting.
& it could also be used for better AR
by knowing where the controller is a game can make a menu pop up on the screen like in Minority Report & let you reach out & control the menu.
knowing where the controller & the player is can create lots of new gameplay ideas & also make old ones better.
Liabe Brave
Member
I sincerely apologize, I should've done a search. I remembered Sony talking about non-Move uses of the light, but I missed that they said it definitely will not be used for Move.
Hopefully people can enjoy some discussion now that mods have merged the thread, and it can serve a purpose other than making me look like a doofus.
CadetMahoney
Member
Hope this PSEye motion controls don't come bundled with every model.
You joke, but passwords and accounts being changed to unique finger movements like unlocking a phone is the only good thing that could come of that pad.The touchpad doubles as a fingerprint reader.
It's just semantics.move is move because it is move.
Dual shock 4 has motion/gyro and a light allowing tracking by the pseye. It's move in all technical aspects other than the one-handed gesture element which would be difficult. Sony may want to keep them separate but have move be the premium experience for sports champions or sharpshooter games. Having the dualshock 4 detect positively allow it to enhance other types of games like maybe leaning in an FPS and gyro assist for aiming.
They've said the light bar allows the position to be detected, and I expect the pseye to be bundled in
Dual shock 4 has motion/gyro and a light allowing tracking by the pseye. It's move in all technical aspects other than the one-handed gesture element which would be difficult. Sony may want to keep them separate but have move be the premium experience for sports champions or sharpshooter games. Having the dualshock 4 detect positively allow it to enhance other types of games like maybe leaning in an FPS and gyro assist for aiming.
They've said the light bar allows the position to be detected, and I expect the pseye to be bundled in