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I love how NeoGAF suddenly did a 180 on Nolan.
when a director becomes too succesful, a purging backlash is inevitable and natural.
I love how NeoGAF suddenly did a 180 on Nolan.
I love how NeoGAF suddenly did a 180 on Nolan.
when a director becomes too succesful, a purging backlash is inevitable and natural.
I love how NeoGAF suddenly did a 180 on Nolan.
Htown said:It's just that the more people see their films, and the more films they make, the more obvious their flaws are.
Some people blow those flaws out of proportion, but whaddya gonna do?
i'll put it in spoiler as well, but really, unless you're super sensitive, you should be okay with reading my post, it's like a meta² spoiler.he's talking about something that is not in the movie
I'm really not sure how people can consider this MAJOR MAJOR SPOILER.
It was more in response to what was deemed Nolans blind following. The praising became loud, so the detractors had to become louder. Genuine discussion was always lost in the shitdump that was the threads.
I saw this about two weeks ago, by accident pretty much. Had to sacrifice a sneak peek at something else, but glad to say I don't regret it. I'll keep my impressions as spoiler free as possible.
I'm not a comic fan just so you know. My exposure to Superman is from the original Donner movies, then the Justice League cartoons. Also, he's still a pussy, This movie doesn't change that!
The movie is good, and entertaining. I don't think I'll use hyperbole of calling it the best movie of the year two months in, but it's a top five, if not top three, superhero movie. I imagine Superman fans are going to really love this, unless somehow people don't like this characterisation of Clark Kent/Superman. Which if you don't, then I don't know what to say. I think this is the best live action version of Superman and it does a great job of making him feel relatable. Just so you know, I consider Batman Begins the cream of the crop and the best superhero movie.
For fans of the Nolan Batman trilogy, you'll take to this quite quickly, like I did. It has a very similar feel to a Nolan movie. I guess that shouldn't be a surprise since Nolan was involved, but I thought his involvement wasn't that great supposedly. Either way, it does genuinely feel similar in style when it comes to the storytelling. The one it holds most similarity to is Batman Begins. Not too much of a surprise since it's also an origin story, but it's also tightly told which is the key point. It doesn't move as swiftly as Batman Begins did, but it's still really nicely paced. Like Batman Begins, it's a reserved and more character focused tale, but it also has comic elements. I'd say it's just slightly less serious/grounded than that movie.
The story is simple, and executed better for it. You're basically presented Clark Kent as a boy/man going through changes and having an internal conflict about his identity. This character arc has a two step resolution.The first is him coming to terms with his role as a potential protector of humanity, a conflict fueled by various events in his life, which brings us the first amazing and climactic point of the movie with the birth of Superman. The second is the reality of the existence of Superman on humanity and him coming to peace with what that means for him and how he is perceived. This obviously brings us the major climax of the movie, supported by an ass whooping.
The action is great in the movie. There is fair bit of it. It feels like The Matrix. By that, I mean it's quite over the top. This is good because it's Superman. There are a lot of little touches that are shown by Henry Cavill which give more gravitas to the vulnerability of Superman. Moments where he's shaken or staggered. They're just cool moments. The action is both slow and fast which gives an effect of something superhuman occurring. In terms of action,It really does feel like the first time Superman has been done justice in live action. There is one moment near the end where you will go, this is fucking Superman. It's basically the climactic moment. I'll have to re-watch Avengers, but I think I enjoyed the action in this movie more than any other superhero movie because it just had a lot of weight behind it.there are about four major setpieces. Then there are a lot of little action moments in between.
You want Superman to succeed.
Henry Cavill is Superman to me now. I like his take on the character. I don't really care necessarily how Superman/Clark Kent is in the comics. But Henry has a really good performance and brings a new Superman for the modern era. One who is powerful, strong, and inhumane in ability, yet also relatable and earns our sympathy. Also, he looks so much more awesome with the beard. It would be amazing having a Superman with a beard. Let him be clean shaven as Clark Kent, but then when he goes all manly and turns into Superman, he grows a beard instantly too. You get used to seeing Cavill without the beard, but it's so weird. Like he was born to have that beard.
Also, damn Zod is badass. Too badass. He comes out with some next level quotes. I don't even--
The weakest aspect of this movie is the Lois Lane/Clark Kent/Superman relationship. I don't think Amy Adams turned in a bad performance, but in a movie which is quite tight and focused, this aspect was the weakest link. It kind of sticks out. The character on her own is fine, and her little crew are a very pleasant addition, but I think they could've stopped going Hollywood and left a little of the relationship development to a second movie.
Supporting cast is strong. Kevin Costner is really cool. The My-Cocaine of this movie. He's not in it very long, but maybe I like those father figure characters. Also, Morpheus being all Morpheus and being pretty cool again.
The music is very nice. At times slow and emotional, and at others sweeping and epic. The new theme is good. Different, but good. It fits the Man of Steel.
I think I chose to compare this to Batman Begins for a few reasons. It feels similar, it's also character focused, and it does a fantastic job of making you anticipate the next movie. There is a nice blend of serious character focus, and lighthearted humour in the movie. The villains for the sequel are somewhat hinted, and this is a really strong first outing. I'm definitely curious to see what happens with the sequel. They could make an amazing movie like The Dark Knight, or like Iron Man 2, turn out a pile of crap after a solid first movie. Who knows, but as it stands, there will be hyperbole when people see this move. I'm sure of it. That's because it's good, and one of the best superhero movies. More importantly, it's brought Superman from being that little pussy who is always in the shadow of the Goddamn Batman, to more of an equal standing.
Also, MAJOR MAJOR SPOILER DO NOT READ UNLESS YOUR HEART IS READY BECAUSE YOU MAY REGRET:
There is no JGL in this movie. The most relief I've experienced when watching a movie. Why? Because fuck John Blake. He's a shit character. Those rumours had me very wary.
I think Warner Bros. has a hit on its hands. I don't think another billion grossing movie is out of the question if word of mouth is good like I think it will be. If this movie bombs, we may as well not bother with Superman in the future. This is pretty much as good as it gets for a foundation laying movie.
Also, I am more convinced now than ever that WB should not focus on the Justice League.
Batman and Superman is where it's at. Do not waste time with the others. It's time to reboot Batman and bring a team-up movie with these two. The universe of Man of Steel has a nice mix of fantastical elements that we could get Batman with his full rogue gallery in it. This movie would be ridiculously huge. Most importantly, with a Batman/Superman movie, you can still bring what both Batman Begins and Man of Steel do better than any other superhero movie, which is earning your emotional engagement. There is a chance of a great movie with a solid story and some amazing action.
I will begin hoping now.
Regarding the blacked out MAJOR SPOILER in that cold-read reaction:
That John Blake didn't show up in a post credits stinger, or even as a quick scene tagged at the end of the movie proper, doesn't necessarily mean it still isn't planned: Sometimes those things are withheld from preview screenings specifically. Or in the case of the Avengers and the Shawarma scene, aren't even SHOT until just before prints/DCPs are about to be cloned and shipped out to theaters.
That's not to say it's absence means nothing. That rumor could have been, in fact, nothing but a rumor.
I saw this about two weeks ago, by accident pretty much. Had to sacrifice a sneak peek at something else, but glad to say I don't regret it. I'll keep my impressions as spoiler free as possible.
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As said before. Nolan will get all the fanboy credit if the movie delivers, Snyder will get all the blame if it does not.Interesting all this attention to Nolan even though Snyder directed.
Anyway, more hype is fine for me!
As said before. Nolan will get all the fanboy credit if the movie delivers, Snyder will get all the blame if it does not.
I don't see how Nolan could possibly get much credit or blame for this movie... At least none that could be taken seriously.It's pretty sad how much truth there is in this post.
I saw this about two weeks ago, by accident pretty much. Had to sacrifice a sneak peek at something else, but glad to say I don't regret it. I'll keep my impressions as spoiler free as possible.
I'm not a comic fan just so you know. My exposure to Superman is from the original Donner movies, then the Justice League cartoons. Also, he's still a pussy, This movie doesn't change that!
The movie is good, and entertaining. I don't think I'll use hyperbole of calling it the best movie of the year two months in, but it's a top five, if not top three, superhero movie. I imagine Superman fans are going to really love this, unless somehow people don't like this characterisation of Clark Kent/Superman. Which if you don't, then I don't know what to say. I think this is the best live action version of Superman and it does a great job of making him feel relatable. Just so you know, I consider Batman Begins the cream of the crop and the best superhero movie.
For fans of the Nolan Batman trilogy, you'll take to this quite quickly, like I did. It has a very similar feel to a Nolan movie. I guess that shouldn't be a surprise since Nolan was involved, but I thought his involvement wasn't that great supposedly. Either way, it does genuinely feel similar in style when it comes to the storytelling. The one it holds most similarity to is Batman Begins. Not too much of a surprise since it's also an origin story, but it's also tightly told which is the key point. It doesn't move as swiftly as Batman Begins did, but it's still really nicely paced. Like Batman Begins, it's a reserved and more character focused tale, but it also has comic elements. I'd say it's just slightly less serious/grounded than that movie.
The story is simple, and executed better for it. You're basically presented Clark Kent as a boy/man going through changes and having an internal conflict about his identity. This character arc has a two step resolution.The first is him coming to terms with his role as a potential protector of humanity, a conflict fueled by various events in his life, which brings us the first amazing and climactic point of the movie with the birth of Superman. The second is the reality of the existence of Superman on humanity and him coming to peace with what that means for him and how he is perceived. This obviously brings us the major climax of the movie, supported by an ass whooping.
The action is great in the movie. There is fair bit of it. It feels like The Matrix. By that, I mean it's quite over the top. This is good because it's Superman. There are a lot of little touches that are shown by Henry Cavill which give more gravitas to the vulnerability of Superman. Moments where he's shaken or staggered. They're just cool moments. The action is both slow and fast which gives an effect of something superhuman occurring. In terms of action,It really does feel like the first time Superman has been done justice in live action. There is one moment near the end where you will go, this is fucking Superman. It's basically the climactic moment. I'll have to re-watch Avengers, but I think I enjoyed the action in this movie more than any other superhero movie because it just had a lot of weight behind it.there are about four major setpieces. Then there are a lot of little action moments in between.
You want Superman to succeed.
Henry Cavill is Superman to me now. I like his take on the character. I don't really care necessarily how Superman/Clark Kent is in the comics. But Henry has a really good performance and brings a new Superman for the modern era. One who is powerful, strong, and inhumane in ability, yet also relatable and earns our sympathy. Also, he looks so much more awesome with the beard. It would be amazing having a Superman with a beard. Let him be clean shaven as Clark Kent, but then when he goes all manly and turns into Superman, he grows a beard instantly too. You get used to seeing Cavill without the beard, but it's so weird. Like he was born to have that beard.
Also, damn Zod is badass. Too badass. He comes out with some next level quotes. I don't even--
The weakest aspect of this movie is the Lois Lane/Clark Kent/Superman relationship. I don't think Amy Adams turned in a bad performance, but in a movie which is quite tight and focused, this aspect was the weakest link. It kind of sticks out. The character on her own is fine, and her little crew are a very pleasant addition, but I think they could've stopped going Hollywood and left a little of the relationship development to a second movie.
Supporting cast is strong. Kevin Costner is really cool. The My-Cocaine of this movie. He's not in it very long, but maybe I like those father figure characters. Also, Morpheus being all Morpheus and being pretty cool again.
The music is very nice. At times slow and emotional, and at others sweeping and epic. The new theme is good. Different, but good. It fits the Man of Steel.
I think I chose to compare this to Batman Begins for a few reasons. It feels similar, it's also character focused, and it does a fantastic job of making you anticipate the next movie. There is a nice blend of serious character focus, and lighthearted humour in the movie. The villains for the sequel are somewhat hinted, and this is a really strong first outing. I'm definitely curious to see what happens with the sequel. They could make an amazing movie like The Dark Knight, or like Iron Man 2, turn out a pile of crap after a solid first movie. Who knows, but as it stands, there will be hyperbole when people see this move. I'm sure of it. That's because it's good, and one of the best superhero movies. More importantly, it's brought Superman from being that little pussy who is always in the shadow of the Goddamn Batman, to more of an equal standing.
Also, MAJOR MAJOR SPOILER DO NOT READ UNLESS YOUR HEART IS READY BECAUSE YOU MAY REGRET:
There is no JGL in this movie. The most relief I've experienced when watching a movie. Why? Because fuck John Blake. He's a shit character. Those rumours had me very wary.
I think Warner Bros. has a hit on its hands. I don't think another billion grossing movie is out of the question if word of mouth is good like I think it will be. If this movie bombs, we may as well not bother with Superman in the future. This is pretty much as good as it gets for a foundation laying movie.
Also, I am more convinced now than ever that WB should not focus on the Justice League.
Batman and Superman is where it's at. Do not waste time with the others. It's time to reboot Batman and bring a team-up movie with these two. The universe of Man of Steel has a nice mix of fantastical elements that we could get Batman with his full rogue gallery in it. This movie would be ridiculously huge. Most importantly, with a Batman/Superman movie, you can still bring what both Batman Begins and Man of Steel do better than any other superhero movie, which is earning your emotional engagement. There is a chance of a great movie with a solid story and some amazing action.
I will begin hoping now.
I love how NeoGAF suddenly did a 180 on Nolan.
Grown men were crying.
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reboot him in about 15 years plz
Yup. Been saying that from day one.As said before. Nolan will get all the fanboy credit if the movie delivers, Snyder will get all the blame if it does not.
I don't see how Nolan could possibly get much credit or blame for this movie... At least none that could be taken seriously.
It's going to be a success though.
Well all sounds awesome but...is this legit? Sorry, I only ask because given the "early screenings" and the likes of Nick Jones jr that others in the "biz" are calling BS it's hard to figure out whats real or not.
So power suit? I guess ILM has some free time.No. You can't tell the story of superman without Luthor.
Nolan's name carries a lot of weight and helps to market the film, but he has little to do with the movie itself.All the hype surrounding the movie as far as production as been due to Nolan's involvement -- "Superman gets the Nolan Treatment" and all that. Would not be surprised if most people don't even know Synder's directing.
So power suit? I guess ILM has some free time.
Sound pretty great.
Yeah, it not a spoiler whatsoever, more like an anti-spoiler. Thought it was going to be something amazing like, but nah.the shadows of the justice league members appear after the credits
As someone who has worked a little with DC lately, not having too much exposure to its vast history before, and now having a really good time discovering it im pretty hypes for the man of steel.
I really, really want that after the credits they hint the justice league in some form.
To be fair, I think this kind of Superman wouldn't exist if not for the Nolan Batman trilogy. The existence and success of those movies certainly allowed a movie like this to happen. However, I don't think he will be given credit for this movie turning out like it is. I can see people saying it was influenced by and inspired by Nolan, but for the most part, I think credit will be given to the rightful people. That is the writing team and Zack Snyder.Yup. Been saying that from day one.
All the hype surrounding the movie as far as production as been due to Nolan's involvement -- "Superman gets the Nolan Treatment" and all that. Would not be surprised if most people don't even know Synder's directing.
- Screening was complete minus the 3D conversion with the finished score and somebody asked how it was and about the theme and he only replied with "2 words" Hans Zimmer" which again...good I guess?
The absolute best thing they could do for an after the credits scene
Have Superman landing at his house/apartment whatever late on a cloudy night,
camera pans to a building across the street.
Dark silhouette on the roof.
Flash of lightning.
Batman
Well all sounds awesome but...is this legit? Sorry, I only ask because given the "early screenings" and the likes of Nick Jones jr that others in the "biz" are calling BS it's hard to figure out whats real or not.
It's probably legit because focus test/early screening for summer movies are going on right now. I can't walk around the mall or campus without meeting someone giving out tickets to Summer flicks.
I've noticed this, too.
Why?
No. Awful. Bad. Far from good.
I'm not even sure of a slightly catchy Batman theme that could have been somewhat serious used for TDK (NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA DARK KNIGHT!), but John Williams made the score right the first time.
This is as bad as those numbskulls who tried to 'change' the Harry Potter theme from the most recent of the films since John Williams was replaced/stepped down.
Because a Hans Zimmer score, while respectful for grand sweeping ambient sounds, is the absolute worst for themes.
Superheroes have themes, and require theme songs. I've been iffy on Zimmer since he was doing it, and this just reaffirms it.
This, however, I am totally okay with.
This is as bad as those numbskulls who tried to 'change' the Harry Potter theme from the most recent of the films since John Williams was replaced/stepped down.
I've noticed this, too.
Why?
I can't speak for the rest but I think very highly of Nolan based on his previous work, but Rises was a pretty lame effort and deserves no more discussion or praise than an average Marvel film. So while I'm certainly not saying 'Nolan is a hack and I want to see him gone,' I am voicing my displeasure with him where I wouldn't have been doing so in 2008 or even 2010.
It's pretty sad how much truth there is in this post.
I just need to know...
SLO-MO, yes or no?
Of course. Think of an action movie off the top of your head that hasn't used it.
I thought of The Raid right away, but I guess there was that one scene.Of course. Think of an action movie off the top of your head that hasn't used it.
I thought of The Raid right away, but I guess there was that one scene.
The Dark Knight trilogy? I'm not sure, but I can't remember slo-mo in any of the movies right now.Of course. Think of an action movie off the top of your head that hasn't used it.
I've noticed this, too.
Why?
None of them use it like Snyder does though.