I take the tube every weekday morning and evening and some afternoons in London and I can't even remember the last time I saw someone with a 3DS or Vita. I see people playing Candy Crush (or some other clone) and card games or watching video on their smart devices everyday.
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Edge #303 - Nintendo Switch
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I take the tube every weekday morning and evening and some afternoons in London and I can't even remember the last time I saw someone with a 3DS or Vita. I see people playing Candy Crush (or some other clone) and card games or watching video on their smart devices everyday.
Yep. Mobile games have destroyed the "handheld gaming" -aspect of portable consoles. It's just so much easier and faster to whip out your phone and fire up a mobile game.
And I had zero interest in playing "big" games like Zelda on a fucking bus that's noisy, shakes around and has screaming teenagers behind me.
Gotta admit, I live in London too, have a one hour train journey every morning and every afternoon, haven't seen one person play anything apart from Candy Crush.
I took FF7 on Vita with me once, but in general, while I play handhelds more than console now, its mostly because I can't be arsed to play on the big tv and would rather lie in bed and play. I suspect this is the case with most people.
That said, London trains are usually crowded and most people haven't woken up yet, expecting them to play anything other than inane puzzle games is unfair.
I still think there is a lot of potential in the console though, taking it to a friends place to do some multiplayer gaming or the like sounds like a blast.
Same. I have 2 3DSes and a Vita and I play them almost exclusively at home. I have even less interest lugging around a Switch and playing an open world Zelda game in public no matter how many intrigued looks or nods of approval I might get from whoever's sitting next to me (assuming I can even get a seat) in this weird Nintendo fan fantasy that's being touted.
It does which makes the absence of Splatoon 2 and MK8 Deluxe at launch all the more baffling.
As I said, it's not a sparse first party line-up. Yes, it does need more third party titles, but the people who are claiming that the first party line-up is sparse is ridiculous. Also, the hyperbole regarding launch line-up is hilarious. People have such warped memories of launch line-ups.
Also, the accessory complaint, really? How much are new PS4 and XBO controllers?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It's good to see they're being honest.
I skimmed the ARMS preview and its very positive, I played it briefly and their feelings from playing it longer seem to agree which is good. Basically the negative is they seem concerned about price if it lacks characters, and because for local co-op you basically need two sets of nunchucks.
I don't see the article as wholly negative, they are honest with the issues that they see, but see have positives about its potential. The issues about price can be remedied by the end of the year. As others said, the ARMS preview was very positive. It also looks like next month might be a Zelda cover.
Conkerkid11
Member
I currently take the MAX in Oregon and spend like 20 hours on it a week playing MH4U at the moment. The Switch is right up my alley.
Don't see like anybody else with anything but smarphones and an iteration of Bejewelled though.
Don't see like anybody else with anything but smarphones and an iteration of Bejewelled though.
I think people would be complaining less if they had more titles of the calibre of Mario Odyssey or Zelda in the first 6-9 months. 1, 2, Switch isn't really going to excite many, and you cannot be surprised about that. It's not just about quantity.
50 EUR (even the Switch Pro controller is 70 EUR).
Care to elaborate? Would you go see a ballet performance that gets middling reviews? Would you get front-row tickets?
I disagree. With the Switch I can throw my console, my copy of BOTW and my gigantic power adapter in my back pack and take it with me to work or where ever else I'm going that day. I can't do that with my PS4 or my XB1. That alone differentiates the Switch enough to not be compared to the other consoles. I think it is very short sighted to do so.
It would be harder to justify a Switch purchase is someone already has a Wii U. And with the same logic, I can say that it's pretty good value when my wife similarly spent £300 on a hairdryer.
In the UK, 60% is a B grade, or a 2:1 or a Merit. That's not a bad grade.
Do you guys score exam papers like you do games and movies?
So they're making things for other demographics than just the happy hardcore gamer? That's bad? Come on.
Also, first 10 months we have, removing 1-2 Switch and Snipperclips
Zelda
Mario Kart
Xenoblade
Fire Emblem Warriors
Super Mario Odyssey
Arms
Splatoon 2
That's not high calibre??? That's 7 Nintendo published, 6 Nintendo internally developed full retail titles.
Seeing as you already have to include FE Warriors, Arms, and a MK port on that list should tell you enough. And when that list makes up more or less the entire lineup for this year (plus maybe a handful 3rd party games and unannounced titles), you should recognise the issue that people outside of your Nintendo bubble see with the lineup.
I can understand maybe Mario Kart in your complaining argument, but I question Fire Emblem and especially ARMS. What's wrong with ARMS? Is it just because it's new? Have you played it? I have.
I feel like you're trying to pick holes.
Also yes, third party support is small and needs to be bigger, but that wasn't the discussion.
JustSomeone
Member
Those actually make sense, but even a broken clock is correct twice a day
I don't doubt that over the next 4-5 years there will be around 30 Nintendo published games of very high quality for the Switch but that's no different to the Wii U; it's the minimum we can expect.
The token at best third party support can't be hand waved away however and saying that the PS4/XB1 launches were somehow bad when they launched with the latest versions of FIFA, Madden, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty shows how out of step with reality some people are.
The token at best third party support can't be hand waved away however and saying that the PS4/XB1 launches were somehow bad when they launched with the latest versions of FIFA, Madden, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty shows how out of step with reality some people are.
These + indie games I'll buy on Switch, not on PC, + B Tier games like Street Fighter, Tetris/ Puyo, Bomberman, etc., means I'll buy more Switch games this year than AAA ones for my 980ti.
GinoFelino
Member
Actually, I don't care to elaborate! I clearly won't be able to change your point of view on this anyway.
What's your point?
Yeah because FE Warriors isnt interesting despite how much people praised Hyrule and asked exactly for this for years and FE being among their hottest IPs
Because Arms clearly isnt a new IP (what people always complain about ) by one of their most talented teams, for a genre Nintendo covers with few games since many years, with many controls options showcasing also the joycons not with a minigame but an actual product and with online play too
Because of course you dont mention Xenoblade just because, in your previous post, putting original games on the same level as a GOTY edition (THAT tells you enough)
Is your anti Nintendo bubble stronger or weaker than his Nintendo bubble? Hard to say
Since when is the Warriors series considered high calibre? Is the new Mario Sports game for 3DS also high calibre for you?
And ARMS high calibre? There's a reason why most hands-on reports question the longevity and value proposition.
To a Nintendo enthusiast like you these games might be great. But you were also happy with the Wii U I suppose. Most people have different standards than you. That's ok, but you should try to take a look outside of your bubble in these kinds of arguments.
That's great. Enjoy.
Why am I anti-Nintendo? Just for criticising the lack of Switch software? I am a happy 3DS gamer. But the value proposition of the Switch isn't very good right now, and with the upcoming lineup it doesn't seem right either.
If this was about me, then 1,2, Switch would be the most interesting Switch game as I am interested in the novel use of the Joy-Cons. That type of game also resonates better with me than the new Zelda. But unlike posters like you I am trying to take a more objective perspective here, not the one of a Nintendo enthusiast. The support of those is granted - I am sure you have also preordered the Switch.
JustSomeone
Member
That even a trash magazine like Edge can see all of the switch's issues
Why do you gang up on Shiggy? At least in Germany most big news sites echo his criticism. It's not like he's just pulling stuff out of his ass.
When many of the biggest German news sites have articles on how the author would not buy Switch or how the device has many issues you know that Shiggy's concerns are not unfounded.
When many of the biggest German news sites have articles on how the author would not buy Switch or how the device has many issues you know that Shiggy's concerns are not unfounded.
High Calibre, I guess, is subjective but considering, as Aostia said, the demand for it has been high, then yes.
Also, yes ARMS is high calibre...it's also developed by some of the best developers in the industry (the Mario Kart team). It's a new IP so it's hard for people to make assessments about it. However, I am certain people said the exact same thing about Splatoon.
You can't go "Nintendo need to make new IPs", and then whine that they "may not" be high calibre just because we haven't seen much of it yet.
What did people expect with a bloody demo of it? To play the entire story, see all the possibilities etc.?
Worst of all, despite knowing better, I still have the system preordered.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
I read german articles about Switch. Of course there is criticism but overall the reception is very good for the hardware and Zelda is praised like the next coming of a (enter religion here) saviour.
Hey, I own a Vita and a Wii U, I'll get a Switch eventually.
You people keep saying that, but for some reason you never back this up.
Stern
Spiegel
Bild
FAZ
Whether or not that is indicative of the mainstream reception is a different question, but the concerns voiced by some here are not unique to GAF.
My point is simply that the reception isn't quite as unanimous or positive as people like to claim.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Sad to see Edge give Gravity Rush a 6. Even an Edge 6 doesn't do it justice.
King of Cups
Member
Bingo. Every. Time.
Everything always looks all good when you're 2 or 3 years into the lifespan...but how quickly everyone forgets the slow burn it took to get there when something else new comes along and doesn't immediately match the other current output.
I can only imagine it's because most people don't buy consoles at launch, so their outlook IS that it's always been plentiful.
I've genuinely never seen 3DS in the wild, and I commute a LOT.
Where are all these people you speak of?
Why would Switch be interesting to these people that play games on their phones? You are grossly confusing your own desires and interests with the interests of the rest of the market.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
I don't think anyone reasonably expects Nintendo to fix their third party problem, their hardware/specs are too counter intuitive for that to be fixed overnight.
But how could you not be excited about the upcoming first party games? Zelda, Splatoon, Mario Kart, Arms, Snipperclips, Odyssey, ... I don't see how Nintendo could have a better first year.
And this is all on an attractive handheld device, too.
Unless you just aren't into Nintendo games I guess.
Ps4 + vr is close to 800.
I do. I used to take 3DS with me on my way to work and got half a dozen streetpass each day.
And that was an example among dozens. AFAIC I'm going to a 3 day week-end skiing in Alps with friends. I can't bring my PC, they can't bring their PS4. But we'll have 2 Switch. If you were one of my friends during this weekend you'd find value too.
GinoFelino
Member
What did they do to get you so irked?
In terms of what's high quality or not, let's just wait and see what the final product is. Arms demo is no more shallow than the splatoon e3 demo and look how that turned out. Hyrule warriors is well over a million seller, and was pretty darn good quality (i'm personally not a fan of musou games, so i didn't buy it). But to support what you're saying, I'd like to see more physical releases on the system. I know there are a lot of games coming out digitally, but that doesn't give the system any bigger presence in the brick and mortar store. I would love for cheaper games like snipperclips to have physical releases, because it shows a nice range in software pricing to the "browsing consumer. This also puts smaller games in the realm of "Impulse buy", rather looking on the eshop, and gives a really good budget game a chance to sell through the roof even more.
Like you 1,2, switch fits into my lifestyle as i literally have family gathering EVERY month and we're always looking for games to play. But i know its core nature of being multiplayer only alienates a lot of people, which is probably why it'll never be a pack-in, even though i felt it should.
Boy Wander
Member
Just ignore them. Obvious trolling. You can not like Edges style but it's a respected publication within the industry that has been going over 20 years. To call it trash is instantly highlighting yourself as either totally clueless or a sad troll.
GinoFelino
Member
Oh, clearly. But there must have been something that pissed him off, and I couldn't help being curious.
SomedayTheFire
Member
goodness. does this need to be said over and over again. they did not say that. it was a summary by a user here and it meant Switch + Zelda costs the same as PS4 Pro and it costs the same as PSVR.
Bullshit. It's about games.
If you're not into zelda, what's going to really appeal to you at launch?
Switch gets compared to PS4 and XB1 because it is priced higher than both, but barely has any games to show for it. The PS4 and XB1 offer tons more bang for your buck for that money, even when looking at future releases.
Boy Wander
Member
In the magazine the word OR is specifically used. Translation to AND in the summary causes the confusion.
Why always oppose these console to Switch? Every gamer has a PS4 or a PC. Switch won't replace these, but complement it.
Dude, I am genuinely interested to know why you took offense to my statement to the extent that my views are apparently holding back the medium. If you want to go that route, at least defend your positions.
My argument is that I generally will not buy a game at a premium price when it gets average to decent review scores. If I am to spend my time and money on something, I'd rather wage my bets on a game that is reviewed well. If this is an outlandish thought to you, I'm curious to know why.
MisterR
Member
It's completely valid and it's probably the Switch's biggest problems, outside of lack of third party support.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
He has been sour for years now. Im just hoping he actually buy a Switch and play the games to atleast put some validity in his complains.
Dude cried and talked about Wii U games for the past 4 years and didnt even have one lol
