EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

MS PR has been in full spin these past few days,I guess with the imminent PS4 release getting closer it's full on desperation mode, like the Surface/W8 ads.

Rather exciting to watch really.


I would also really like to see this compiled list of game resolution Albert have, just for the laughs.
Post-upacaling, I'm sure. "See guise! S'all good!"
 
I think what he is asking is where people are getting the resolutions he sees people quoting online - not asking for a list of the resolutions because he doesn't know.

That said. Just friggin' tell us the resolutions of games you think are being misrepresented. You would think he would want to clear up misconceptions and not spread them with vague questions and statements like these on twitter.
The problem is the rumors are regarding games such as BF4 and WD with the PS4 being significantly higher resolution than the XB1 version. The reason these rumors are spreading is because developers are essentially saying this, they are being coy about officially announcing anything but we do have vague statements such as "currently it's 720" or "lower than 1080p" or "aiming to increase this" a lot of the multiplatform games are being rather coy with the details but implying the PS4 version will be higher resolution.

Penello can find these resolutions rather easily, at least for the XB1 versions, but it may not be good to post these as they may be as the Dev's are implying, The way He has posted on Twitter brings a element of doubt to the rumors without actually denying them.

It follows most of his comments on power, no surprise to see Gies weighing in, If he has hours of Direct feed footage, he'll be able to find out uite easily the native resolution of PS4 games and if they were not 1080p and he was a real journalist, he would post a article about it.
 
Can't happen with internet detectives calling out DF if the case was a noticeable difference between boxes.
Calling out DF leads to nothing, just look at how Richard Leadbutter was spinning for Microsoft earlier this year. Someone pointed this out earlier, DF has written a staggering amount of articles on Xbone compared to 3 or 4 articles on PS4. They also dismissed Final Fantasy XIII's technical advantage on PS3 back in the day. That just shows you a glimpse of the future.
 
His main goal is to make sure hardcore gamers buy Xbone. All this negativity about 1.1 TFlop GPU must be gravitating people towards PS4. I am guessing they have Digital Foundry in their pocket and they could ask them to spin some more at launch.
This type of tweet tells me exactly that!

Also people will see that multiplatform games at launch are most likely gonna be the same resolution on both consoles. I think he's trying to make that point. Cause why else would he tweet something so stupid when their exclusives are mostly sub 1080.
 
Do we have a thread on GAF for Next-gen game resolutions, framerate, aliasing?
If not, we should make one.
We made a list of confirmed resolutions, but Albert sure as shit wouldn't want to look at it:

Forza: 1080p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Ryse: 900p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
KI: 720p - http://gamingbolt.com/killer-instin...s-removed-or-optimized-praises-xbox-one-cloud
DR3: Dynamic bullshit - actually unable to find a solid link on this, many available but no direct dev comments could be found easily. - Albert could clarify if he wanted to, even if he didn't know it would be 1 phonecall away.

Driveclub: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
KZ:SF: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Knack: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Infamous: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
the Order: 1920x800 (artistic- 2.40 cinema aspect ratio, retains 1:1 pixel mapping) - Seriously, the resolution of this one is everywhere, find it yourself :p
ACIV: 1080p - constantly referred to as 1080p, eurogamer comment here - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-assassins-creed-4
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Resogun: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-resogun
Flower: 1080p - https://twitter.com/TDMoss/status/385907407475314688 - talks about 60fps in tweet but in comments confirms 1080p
DC:UO 1080p - http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/e3-2013-dcuo-plans-to-remain-completely-free-on-ps4/
FF14 1080p - http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09...-fps-1080p-equivalent-to-highest-pc-settings/
Blacklight Retribution 1080p - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/06/hands-on-with-blacklight-retribution-for-playstation-4/

They are just about the only confirmed resolutions out there.

EDIT: If anyone provides a valid link with a developer quote or a pixel analysis I'll add the game to the list.
 
We made a list of confirmed resolutions, but Albert sure as shit wouldn't want to look at it:

Forza: 1080p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Ryse: 900p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
KI: 720p - http://gamingbolt.com/killer-instin...s-removed-or-optimized-praises-xbox-one-cloud
DR3: Dynamic bullshit - actually unable to find a solid link on this, many available but no direct dev comments could be found easily. - Albert could clarify if he wanted to, even if he didn't know it would be 1 phonecall away.

Driveclub: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
KZ:SF: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Knack: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Infamous: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
the Order: 1920x800 (artistic- 2.40 cinema aspect ratio, retains 1:1 pixel mapping) - Seriously, the resolution of this one is everywhere, find it yourself :p
ACIV: 1080p - constantly referred to as 1080p, eurogamer comment here - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-assassins-creed-4
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Resogun: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-resogun
Flower: 1080p - https://twitter.com/TDMoss/status/385907407475314688 - talks about 60fps in tweet but in comments confirms 1080p
DC:UO 1080p - http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/e3-2013-dcuo-plans-to-remain-completely-free-on-ps4/
FF14 1080p - http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09...-fps-1080p-equivalent-to-highest-pc-settings/
Blacklight Retribution 1080p - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/06/hands-on-with-blacklight-retribution-for-playstation-4/

They are just about the only confirmed resolutions out there.

EDIT: If anyone provides a valid link with a developer quote or a pixel analysis I'll add the game to the list.
I am 100% positive that he has seen this.
 
We made a list of confirmed resolutions, but Albert sure as shit wouldn't want to look at it:

Forza: 1080p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Ryse: 900p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
KI: 720p - http://gamingbolt.com/killer-instin...s-removed-or-optimized-praises-xbox-one-cloud
DR3: Dynamic bullshit - actually unable to find a solid link on this, many available but no direct dev comments could be found easily. - Albert could clarify if he wanted to, even if he didn't know it would be 1 phonecall away.

Driveclub: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
KZ:SF: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Knack: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Infamous: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
the Order: 1920x800 (artistic- 2.40 cinema aspect ratio, retains 1:1 pixel mapping) - Seriously, the resolution of this one is everywhere, find it yourself :p
ACIV: 1080p - constantly referred to as 1080p, eurogamer comment here - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-assassins-creed-4
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Resogun: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-resogun
Flower: 1080p - https://twitter.com/TDMoss/status/385907407475314688 - talks about 60fps in tweet but in comments confirms 1080p
DC:UO 1080p - http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/e3-2013-dcuo-plans-to-remain-completely-free-on-ps4/
FF14 1080p - http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09...-fps-1080p-equivalent-to-highest-pc-settings/
Blacklight Retribution 1080p - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/06/hands-on-with-blacklight-retribution-for-playstation-4/

They are just about the only confirmed resolutions out there.

EDIT: If anyone provides a valid link with a developer quote or a pixel analysis I'll add the game to the list.


Crimson dragon is 1080p!!! :p

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one

Visually, it goes without saying that we're getting the promised 1080p.

Performance-wise, 30fps is the confirmed target
 
I was going to post it, but that article also confirms 1080p for killer instinct and Ryse, which are 720p and 900p respectively, I would not consider it to be due diligence.

I imagine it would be 1080p but...glaring problems, any second opinions on if it should go in the list or not?
Good point! The image I posted became all the more appropriate. LOL!
 
The third parties are too silent. We haven't really seen many EA or Ubisoft titles running on either machines (except for Ass Creed and Watch Dogs). It could go either way at this point IMO, MS can force parity since they have the $$$.
I don't know why people keep parroting this as if it's fact. I don't think MS can make everybody sabotage the PS4 versions of their games. People think 'MS has a lot of money' translates to 'MS's gaming division has infinite money' whereas they are in fact on an increasingly tight leash.
 
We made a list of confirmed resolutions, but Albert sure as shit wouldn't want to look at it:

Forza: 1080p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Ryse: 900p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
KI: 720p - http://gamingbolt.com/killer-instin...s-removed-or-optimized-praises-xbox-one-cloud
DR3: Dynamic bullshit - actually unable to find a solid link on this, many available but no direct dev comments could be found easily. - Albert could clarify if he wanted to, even if he didn't know it would be 1 phonecall away.

Driveclub: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
KZ:SF: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Knack: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Infamous: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
the Order: 1920x800 (artistic- 2.40 cinema aspect ratio, retains 1:1 pixel mapping) - Seriously, the resolution of this one is everywhere, find it yourself :p
ACIV: 1080p - constantly referred to as 1080p, eurogamer comment here - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-assassins-creed-4
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Resogun: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-resogun
Flower: 1080p - https://twitter.com/TDMoss/status/385907407475314688 - talks about 60fps in tweet but in comments confirms 1080p
DC:UO 1080p - http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/e3-2013-dcuo-plans-to-remain-completely-free-on-ps4/
FF14 1080p - http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09...-fps-1080p-equivalent-to-highest-pc-settings/
Blacklight Retribution 1080p - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/06/hands-on-with-blacklight-retribution-for-playstation-4/

They are just about the only confirmed resolutions out there.

EDIT: If anyone provides a valid link with a developer quote or a pixel analysis I'll add the game to the list.


Did you tweet this to him? Would love to see his response, which I assume will be "Thanks"
 
We made a list of confirmed resolutions, but Albert sure as shit wouldn't want to look at it:

Forza: 1080p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Ryse: 900p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
KI: 720p - http://gamingbolt.com/killer-instin...s-removed-or-optimized-praises-xbox-one-cloud
DR3: Dynamic bullshit - actually unable to find a solid link on this, many available but no direct dev comments could be found easily. - Albert could clarify if he wanted to, even if he didn't know it would be 1 phonecall away.

Driveclub: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
KZ:SF: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Knack: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Infamous: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
the Order: 1920x800 (artistic- 2.40 cinema aspect ratio, retains 1:1 pixel mapping) - Seriously, the resolution of this one is everywhere, find it yourself :p
ACIV: 1080p - constantly referred to as 1080p, eurogamer comment here - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-assassins-creed-4
CoD:DoG 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Resogun: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-resogun
Flower: 1080p - https://twitter.com/TDMoss/status/385907407475314688 - talks about 60fps in tweet but in comments confirms 1080p
DC:UO 1080p - http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/e3-2013-dcuo-plans-to-remain-completely-free-on-ps4/
FF14 1080p - http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09...-fps-1080p-equivalent-to-highest-pc-settings/
Blacklight Retribution 1080p - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/06/hands-on-with-blacklight-retribution-for-playstation-4/

They are just about the only confirmed resolutions out there.

EDIT: If anyone provides a valid link with a developer quote or a pixel analysis I'll add the game to the list.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=82431225

I've added Flower & DCUO, thanks.
 
I don't know why people keep parroting this as if it's fact. I don't think MS can make everybody sabotage the PS4 versions of their games. People think 'MS has a lot of money' translates to 'MS's gaming division has infinite money' whereas they are in fact on an increasingly tight leash.
It'll probably be because they're launch titles and developers just wanna get them out of the door and Penello and MS know this
 
Did you tweet this to him? Would love to see his response, which I assume will be "Thanks"
Somebody else tweeted him 4 hours ago:

-link didn't work will update soon-

EDIT: it seems when I link it only shows the first x replies which doesn't include this one but he was informed of that post.


He is aware of it, but just hasn't commented, Would be nice for him to clarify the Dead Rising at least.
 
We have resolution differences between PS3 and 360 games this generation. They were slight but they existed and console developers and PR still threw around the word parity. Nothing will stop them from doing the same this time around just with bigger differences in resolution. The dumb masses wont know the difference. The people who actually care will. I would have to think playing on an XB1 for years and then playing on PS4 would be akin to someone with slightly poor eyesight putting on glasses for the first time if those gifs a few page back are a real indication.
 
Somebody else tweeted him 4 hours ago:

-link didn't work will update soon-

EDIT: it seems when I link it only shows the first x replies which doesn't include this one but he was informed of that post.


He is aware of it, but just hasn't commented, Would be nice for him to clarify the Dead Rising at least.
I wouldn't be surprised if he tweets "Dead Rising is Full HD" instead of saying 900p

Edit: Followed by an article by DF saying how 900p is the most balanced of all resolutions and 1080p is just a waste of pixels
 
No. This is what I've been looking for. I found some others, but this has references.

So outside of this list, no confirmed resolutions for the Xbox One versions?

Also didn't DICE say BF4 was 900p on both? I saw articles referencing both.
DICE said it's not 720 but not 1080 and is aiming for parity on both. At the Eurogamer Expo it was confirmed to be running at 720p on X1 but DICE is working to up the rez by release.

Edit:
Our own user's feelings on BF4 (what I posted above was from a different source, pick your website, literally. it's everywhere):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84537017&postcount=42
 
We have resolution differences between PS3 and 360 games this generation. They were slight but they existed and console developers and PR still threw around the word parity. Nothing will stop them from doing the same this time around just with bigger differences in resolution. The dumb masses wont know the difference. The people who actually care will. I would have to think playing on an XB1 for years and then playing on PS4 would be akin to someone with slightly poor eyesight putting on glasses for the first time if those gifs a few page back are a real indication.
I tend to play at lower than 1080p as it suits my eyes and I don't notice a giant difference like that when I switch (on pc) it just all gets too small for me to use.

is this iq, not just res?

oh I've seen the images you are talking about now.

yes. neither of those driving games looks amazing though. i'm sure both will improve their offerings in time though and the ps4 will of course have the improved offerings with it's additional power.
 
What kind of a clusterfuck must the Microsoft xbox division be, if the Director of Product Planning is going on twitter and internet forums looking for xbone game resolutions....
Easy. They were planning on releasing a product that's not 1080p-ready. Oh, wait, that's right, per Major Nelson (I think it was him) it's 4K ready.

If you can't get enough umph for 1080p, you're good to go for 4k gaming.
 
He is likely just seeing what people are going by (what has public sources thus far). Not sure why all of the vitriol.

I do wish he would just say what he knows, instead of making is seem like there is secret pro-xbox resolution knowledge unbeknownst to the public.
 
Yep I think he inadvertently confirmed BF4 900P on both XB1 and PS4 which is disappointing
He inadvertently confirmed multiplatform parity in regards to resolution the moment he asked for the list. That was the whole point

Edit: I'm referring to almost all launch titles

of course he does, he is just putting on a dog and pony show.

Albert P. man of the people

let's see if the mods will change his title....
Can't believe the mods changed his PR Title
 
No. This is what I've been looking for. I found some others, but this has references.

So outside of this list, no confirmed resolutions for the Xbox One versions?

Also didn't DICE say BF4 was 900p on both? I saw articles referencing both.
BF4 was confirmed to be 720p on XB1 at the time but on PS4 it was confirmed as "below 1080p" and "above 720p" which is why it isn't on the list.

Regarding parity, I'll wait to see it on the comparisons, and then buy Killzone.

EDIT: So are you going to confirm 900p on Xbone? or will you leave it vague, hinting at parity without actually stating it so if it is not parity, then you never technically lied to us?
 
BF4 was confirmed to be 720p on XB1 at the time but on PS4 it was confirmed as "below 1080p" and "above 720p" which is why it isn't on the list.

Regarding parity, I'll wait to see it on the comparisons, and then buy Killzone.

EDIT: So are you going to confirm 900p on Xbone? or will you leave it vague, hinting at parity without actually stating it so if it is not parity, then you never technically lied to us?
I think you answered your question there. :)
 
BF4 was confirmed to be 720p on XB1 at the time but on PS4 it was confirmed as "below 1080p" and "above 720p" which is why it isn't on the list.

Regarding parity, I'll wait to see it on the comparisons, and then buy Killzone.

EDIT: So are you going to confirm 900p on Xbone? or will you leave it vague, hinting at parity without actually stating it so if it is not parity, then you never technically lied to us?
When I was searching I saw an article on it. I don't actually know, so I can't confirm anything.

To be clear - I don't know the resolution for every 3rd party game on XBO. I don't know why people think I would. Do you believe the 3rd parties are giving me a report on the latest resolutions of their games? Or I can just call up and they will share it?

I know the resolutions of our First party games, that's it.

And, to be clear, I was asking if anyone had a list COMPARING Xbox One and PS4 resolutions. Even in the list above, it doesn't give me the XBO resolutions for a lot of 3rd parties.

I ended up generating my own list.
 
When I was searching I saw an article on it. I don't actually know, so I can't confirm anything.

To be clear - I don't know the resolution for every 3rd party game on XBO. I don't know why people think I would. Do you believe the 3rd parties are giving me a report on the latest resolutions of their games? Or I can just call up and they will share it?

I know the resolutions of our First party games, that's it.

And, to be clear, I was asking if anyone had a list COMPARING Xbox One and PS4 resolutions. Even in the list above, it doesn't give me the XBO resolutions for a lot of 3rd parties.

I ended up generating my own list.
What's your technical guy saying? :)
 
When I was searching I saw an article on it. I don't actually know, so I can't confirm anything.

To be clear - I don't know the resolution for every 3rd party game on XBO. I don't know why people think I would. Do you believe the 3rd parties are giving me a report on the latest resolutions of their games? Or I can just call up and they will share it?

I know the resolutions of our First party games, that's it.

And, to be clear, I was asking if anyone had a list COMPARING Xbox One and PS4 resolutions. Even in the list above, it doesn't give me the XBO resolutions for a lot of 3rd parties.

I ended up generating my own list.
Care to share?
 
When I was searching I saw an article on it. I don't actually know, so I can't confirm anything.

To be clear - I don't know the resolution for every 3rd party game on XBO. I don't know why people think I would. Do you believe the 3rd parties are giving me a report on the latest resolutions of their games? Or I can just call up and they will share it?

I know the resolutions of our First party games, that's it.

And, to be clear, I was asking if anyone had a list COMPARING Xbox One and PS4 resolutions. Even in the list above, it doesn't give me the XBO resolutions for a lot of 3rd parties.

I ended up generating my own list.
Thanks for clarifying! Any chance of sharing your list if you have anything not already here, or would that just open another can of worms?