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[Foffy]

Because of this news, I am buying the new Xbox and only the new Xbox.

I support the developers. I do not support GameStop, or shit second hand stores. I want my money to go to people who deserve it. If I want to buy a game at a cheaper price, I'll wait until its a cheaper price. Simple as that.

If I want to play my game at a friends house, I sign in on live at my friends house.

Last time I purchased a second hand game was for my SNES- and I'll never do it again - not after seeing how difficult developers lives can get, how worn down they become by the chaotic and stressful working conditions. Compared to who? People with some petty desire to make a quick buck back because they didnt have the patience to wait until inevitable price decline?

Seeing guys like Schaefer and others needing kick starter to fund a game because there's too much inherent risk in B games with a dreadful second hand market that cores out any revenue.

I am not greedy, unlike the circus of people which have their own petty goals in mind. Using new releases as a fake rental? Fuck that. The second that goes back to the game store, that rips $40-50 right out of developers pockets- developers and publishers closing left and right? Who fucking cares? I gots me my monies! We must look at the reasons for this! (Derp, second hand sales IS the reason)

What an utter disgrace the gaming community is. No wonder its looked upon like its an irrelevant art form, a children's toy... The majority of so-called gamers are children.

iOS locks you in? No problem!
Steam locks you in? No problem!
XBLA and PSN locks you in? No problem!
Durango locks you in? Omg end of world cry piss and moan

Fucking hypocritical.

I want my favorite developers to stay strong forever, whatever of them are left... I want my favorite games to be made, not just the flavor of the moment- rehash rehash rehash.

But no! I must be able to recoup my monies! Who cares about the state of our hobby! I want my monies!

The price isn't going to magically stop dropping, FYI they will still lower prices like they always have

You make so many ridiculous assertions I don't even know where to start or to claim that you've made a joke post. You make baseless claims everyone is happy with locked platforms like iOS and Steam despite there being competition that's more open, as well as assuming the lack of used games sales will suddenly mean that prices can drop and jumble about when there is no fucking evidence whatever to support this, and you assume that the lack of used sales means more companies will be creative..despite the fact even more money than ever will have to be pooled into projects, meaning they'll be banking more on what works and what already sells.

I'm quite concerned I share a similar hobby that you do. So much of what you're looking for is such a ridiculous hypothetical you'll willing to sacrifice your choices as a consumer for it. It's absolutely absurd.

 

[K.Sabot]

Hah, as if publishers would risk half of their market for that 1/3 used to new game ratio. That doesn't even include the profit that used games make from DLC and reselling for preorders or new games.

What a ridiculous notion.

 

[Zzoram]

If MS is doing this on their own, watch them price Xbox games $5 less than PS4 games and their console $100 less to compete on price.

That, plus being the 3rd party favored system due to the inability to play used games could make Xbox forever change the home console market. PS5 is going this route, it's an inevitability, the question is if PS4 will do it with Xbox or if they delay it another generation.

 

[Uno Venova]

It's weird reading comments about third parties going Xbox exclusive because of disabling the use of pre-owned games. Do you people really think that publishers will want to shrink their market? Unlike Nintendo, Sony has core followers. Just think about the lost profit from COD or even GTA if they go Xbox exclusive.

From smear campaigns to bias accusations to third party collusion's, it's been happening all day.

 

[AzaK]

After all is said and done, those that like the XBox will get it regardless and those that like the PlayStation will get the PS3. It won't make one iota.

Look, 360 players paid for online and went through multiple consoles with the RROD and still went back. In the end the games, achievements and online features won them over.

 

[Ravage]

Let's assume for a minute that this is true and not a controlled leak.

MS put up massive walls around their garden, publishers are happy but gamers aren't. Sony have a nice open playground that publishers aren't happy with but consumers are. Consumers buy PS4 to avoid the newly walled garden, but the publishers are intent on releasing their games on NXTBX only to keep their property away from used gamers and pirates.

At this point, investors step in and tell them to get real and release their games on the other console as well since development cost additions are not going to very large given the similar architecture and the sales potential is worth any hit they might take on piracy/used games.

All of these publishers bar Valve have got investors to answer to, so even if Bobby Kotick says no COD on PS4, investors would force his hand to release the game on the more popular console.

The other problem for MS is that they have just released Halo 4 on 360, so that cartridge in their gun is empty right now. They will have no Halo game at launch for NXTBX to force adoption from the hardcore gamers, nor will they have a Gears of War title. In the face of that there is nothing from MS's first party to force gamers onto their platform. There is a good chance that an exclusive next gen COD on Xbox will fail in favour of PS3 and 360 versions because very few want to get the box itself and it's not like Activision aren't going to make COD on current gen boxes.

If MS do release NXTBX with this terrible implementation of used game and piracy control, I fear for the future of Xbox as publishers are not going to ignore PS4 given how popular it is in Europe and how unpopular anti-consumer moves are around these parts. People in the US might get on board, but there is absolutely no way we will in Europe.

Interesting analysis there. I'm leaning towards the 'controlled leak' angle because there's just no way the Nexbox will launch with such dreadful DRM measures in place. I can definitely see MS 'removing' the always-on requirement at the last minute (but still retaining the anti used game DRM).

 

[les papillons sexuels]

Because of this news, I am buying the new Xbox and only the new Xbox.

I support the developers. I do not support GameStop, or shit second hand stores. I want my money to go to people who deserve it. If I want to buy a game at a cheaper price, I'll wait until its a cheaper price. Simple as that.

If I want to play my game at a friends house, I sign in on live at my friends house.

Last time I purchased a second hand game was for my SNES- and I'll never do it again - not after seeing how difficult developers lives can get, how worn down they become by the chaotic and stressful working conditions. Compared to who? People with some petty desire to make a quick buck back because they didnt have the patience to wait until inevitable price decline?

Seeing guys like Schaefer and others needing kick starter to fund a game because there's too much inherent risk in B games with a dreadful second hand market that cores out any revenue.

I am not greedy, unlike the circus of people which have their own petty goals in mind. Using new releases as a fake rental? Fuck that. The second that goes back to the game store, that rips $40-50 right out of developers pockets- developers and publishers closing left and right? Who fucking cares? I gots me my monies! We must look at the reasons for this! (Derp, second hand sales IS the reason)

What an utter disgrace the gaming community is. No wonder its looked upon like its an irrelevant art form, a children's toy... The majority of so-called gamers are children.

iOS locks you in? No problem!
Steam locks you in? No problem!
XBLA and PSN locks you in? No problem!
Durango locks you in? Omg end of world cry piss and moan

Fucking hypocritical.

I want my favorite developers to stay strong forever, whatever of them are left... I want my favorite games to be made, not just the flavor of the moment- rehash rehash rehash.

But no! I must be able to recoup my monies! Who cares about the state of our hobby! I want my monies!




The price isn't going to magically stop dropping, FYI they will still lower prices like they always have

You're not supporting the developer, you're hurting them buy limiting their audience. The only ones who benefit are publishers.

 

[Mononoke]

If MS is doing this on their own, watch them price Xbox games $5 less than PS4 games and their console $100 less to compete on price.

That, plus being the 3rd party favored system due to the inability to play used games could make Xbox forever change the home console market. PS5 is going this route, it's an inevitability, the question is if PS4 will do it with Xbox or if they delay it another generation.

THAT would be an interesting strategy. Have to say. I mean, if the price was $100 less + games were slightly cheaper, it might be enough for the average consumer (who might not even care about this to the extent we do) - to flock to it.

 

[Hematocryal]

I HATE digital downloads. I like physical copies... That's pretty much some bull shit. And I only buy new and never sell my games so that's a kick in the nuts. Sheesh.

 

[Zzoram]

In return Sony gets retail support. Screwed if you do screwed if you don´t kind of situation.

No, Sony would only get Gamestop support since it's the only big player making money on used games. Best Buy and Walmart won't care since they've only dabbled in used game sales and haven't made money on it.

 

[artist]

Yeah, no.
I think this is a gross overreaction over something that hasn't even been proven true yet.

It's happenning!

Just look at this assertion;

If MS is doing this on their own, watch them price Xbox games $5 less than PS4 games and their console $100 less to compete on price.

That, plus being the 3rd party favored system due to the inability to play used games could make Xbox forever change the home console market. PS5 is going this route, it's an inevitability, the question is if PS4 will do it with Xbox or if they delay it another generation.

 

[Mononoke]

It's weird reading comments about third parties going Xbox exclusive because of disabling the use of pre-owned games. Do you people really think that publishers will want to shrink their market? Unlike Nintendo, Sony has core followers. Just think about the lost profit from COD or even GTA if they go Xbox exclusive.

Serious question. What benefit would they get from people buying their games used?

The only thing I can think of is, having new fans jump on to a franchise and buy games later on.

 

[teiresias]

The substantive difference between a DRM solution that utilizes a system like Steam that resides on a PC and a similar DRM solution that resides on a console is that I can think of very few PC games I've ever bought that I can't play in some way on my PC.

At least at this point, even old games through GOG that are from 90s or earlier, can be played on my gaming PC. This makes buying something that A) doesn't come with a physical medium, and B) perhaps has some kind of DRM (preferrably in the form of Steamworks) more palatable.

If the solution that is under discussion here had been in place for the SNES there would be no way for me to play an old game that I may have missed out on back in the day because there would be no way for me to either A) validate my copy, or B) even have the backwards compatibility available to play it outside it being sold as a "retro title" though an online store.

That is, fundamentally, why I'm ok with these sorts of solutions on PC but can't really stomach them on consoles at this point.

 

[Ensoul]

Welcome to PC gaming for the last 20 years.

To be honest I have not been into PC gaming for 10 years. From what I have read doesn't steam have pretty good sales/prices on newer games? I know what the next gen consoles want: Get rid of physical software and have everything downloaded. The problem is look xbox 360 on demand section. Every game, no matter how old, is either selling for full retail for close to it.

We will see what happens. Like I said in another post. People will be gnashing their teeth at first but in the end they will give in and accept it and microsoft will still make a boatload of money.

 

[Mrbob]

There is some nice imagination going on in this thread trying to spin this information in MS favor. We don't even know if it's true yet so no reason to attempt free damage control for the company.

You make so many ridiculous assertions I don't even know where to start or to claim that you've made a joke post. You make baseless claims everyone is happy with locked platforms like iOS and Steam despite there being competition that's more open, as well as assuming the lack of used games sales will suddenly mean that prices can drop and jumble about when there is no fucking evidence whatever to support this, and you assume that the lack of used sales means more companies will be creative..despite the fact even more money than ever will have to be pooled into projects, meaning they'll be banking more on what works and what already sells.

I'm quite concerned I share a similar hobby that you do. So much of what you're looking for is such a ridiculous hypothetical you'll willing to sacrifice your choices as a consumer for it. It's absolutely absurd.

Spot on.

 

[Baconsammy]

Hah, as if publishers would risk half of their market for that 1/3 used to new game ratio. That doesn't even include the profit that used games make from DLC and reselling for preorders or new games.

What a ridiculous notion.

People saying they'd go exclusive are silly. People saying third parties will offer incredible incentives to the console that's blocking used game sales are hitting the nail on the head.

In return Sony gets retail support. Screwed if you do screwed if you don´t kind of situation.

Microsoft won't lose an appreciable amount of retail support.

I HATE digital downloads. I like physical copies... That's pretty much some bull shit. And I only buy new and never sell my games so that's a kick in the nuts. Sheesh.

Perhaps read the rumor. Physical game sales aren't disappearing.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

If this actually happens, it won't last a year.

Also Sony doesn't need to do it this way, because they are already doing it (slowly) by providing better alternatives.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

what does MS stand to gain from this?

MS pockets some change for every sale.

 

[FrankT]

Edge better be right in the implication that Sony is not doing this.

Should be first question on the 20th. Clear answers with no download gimmicks.

Then if they do allow for used games it will be ball in MS court.

 

[Zzoram]

It's happenning!

Just look at this assertion;

It is and we all know it. It doesn't mean everyone welcomes it, but it's coming. Software on PC and mobile has moved almost entirely to a licensing model with no resale. Consoles are moving that way as well and the online pass was the first step. We already know the publishers want it, and with people used to the idea of not being able to resell PC and mobile games, adding home consoles to the list won't bother people too much when it inevitably happens.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

But would the PS4 have a huge lead in Europe if EA declares FIFA exclusive to the Xbox ? It goes both way.
EA didn't support the Dreamcast, and it hurt it a lot, especially for lack of popular sport games. It's a bet on both sides, but the outcome is far from guaranteed.

EA has to answer to investors what is there reason for making FIFA exclusive .
Unless they see a load of cash them answering PS4 allowing used games not going to fly .
Plus we still going to see games on PS3 for a while which you also have to account for .

 

[SolarPowered]

Zomgbbqftw is one of the few people talking sense in here.

A smart company plans accordingly. Let's wait to see what they're actually doing, and how they're going to implement it.

You are talking about an industry that cut it's nose off to spite it's face when the Wii exploded for about four years nonstop. I don't know if "smart" is the word you'd want to use to describe most of these companies.

 

[nbthedude]

Every PC game I have ever bought has this feature.

Every song/album/movie/show anybody has ever bought in Itunes functions this way.

Every game you have ever bought on Xbox Live or PSN functions this way.

Every piece of DLC you have ever bought functions this way.

Every game you have ever bought on an Ipad/Iphone or Andriod functions this way.


Granted PC games have and remain to be cheaper and have advantages like forwards compatibility and mods/etc. But the feature in and of itself isn't a big deal. It is everywhere already.

Personally the advantages of having my purchase content "in the cloud" and avoiding clutter outweight the hassle.

I haven't decided whether I will buy either next gen console but this certainly wouldn't be a factor either way.

 

[Drek]

What is being proposed here is a huge endeavor that would include not only Microsoft(maybe Sony?) but also large 3rd party developers working together. Is it really possible for them to keep something so large so quiet with so many parties involved?

You'd think there would be more than one source on this.

Why would anyone outside the most upper tiers of a 3rd party company need to know about this?

Why would anyone below the upper tiers of Microsoft who isn't working directly on the always online portion of the OS need to know anything about this?

Its takes only a handful of people to make this happen, unless you really think every 3rd party title will suddenly go 720 exclusive. If the 3rd parties will instead throw a handful of exclusives MS' way while they test the waters it's very easy to keep even the studios working on those exclusives blind to the reason why. Money hatted exclusives have been a long standing tradition in this industry, and MS dismantled their first party studios over the X360's life, them buying a bunch of 3rd party exclusives early would surprise no one.

 

[artist]

It is and we all know it. It doesn't mean everyone welcomes it, but it's coming. Software on PC and mobile has moved almost entirely to a licensing model with no resale. Consoles are moving that way as well and the online pass was the first step. We already know the publishers want it, and with people used to the idea of not being able to resell PC and mobile games, adding home consoles to the list won't bother people too much when it inevitably happens.

I'm only comfortable discussing the next-gen (which is almost upon us now).

 

[TAJ]

If the rumored power gulf and this are both true, then that will mean total victory for Sony.

 

[fredrancour]

It means Sony gets my money.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

The other part is ignoring competition between third parties. Let's take FIFA as a very good example.

EA agree with MS to have next gen FIFA exclusive to NXTBX, Konami otoh sell 400k units of Winning Eleven in Japan, which is not going to be possible on any kind of Xbox. So Konami release PES2014 on PS4 and NXTBX while FIFA is only on NXTBX. Konami have just retaken their crown in Europe for football games.

The fact is that there is still going to be a viable football game on PS4 that people will play if they can't get FIFA and EA would be stupid to give Konami such an easy way back into the market. Which is why they won't release FIFA exclusively on NXTBX.

The same is true for almost all genres, including shooters. If Activision take the stupid decision not release COD on PS4, EA aren't going to stand around and let an untapped market remain that way. BF4 is going to be balls to the wall on PS4 and EA will take the shooter crown away from Activision and force them to release a PS4 version either next time around or just belatedly.

 

[LastNac]

I'll buy both and buy(like I have for the last 4 years) everything new. Sometimes you can wait down a deal.

 

[metareferential]

If the rumored power gulf and this are both true, then that will mean total victory for Sony.

I'm more than ever convinced that Microsoft will dominate next-gen, based on posts like alone.

 

[BobTheFork]

I think the assertion that it means better single player games is crazy. They aren't going to take the same time and cost to put more time into single player games. They will lower the time and cost of the multiplayer parts and just put the same time into single player games. Yeah they want the used game market gone, they also REALLY want development cost and time to be lowered. It could mean more projects for them.

 

[kingofthedead45]

Cold this play in Microsoft favor though? Could this entice publichers to release more exclusive games on the next Xbox?

Not if there is no install base.

 

[quest]

Hah, as if publishers would risk half of their market for that 1/3 used to new game ratio. That doesn't even include the profit that used games make from DLC and reselling for preorders or new games.

What a ridiculous notion.

It would not be half the market new consoles don't sell many games at first. They would not leave many sales on the tablet to ensure gamestop the real enemy is stopped. You think a new PS4 would sell with out madden,fifa and cod? Especially if MS and the other 3rd parties advertised the hell out of the exclusives? It would not take more than a few months for Sony to give into the pressure. Rememeber the last system with out EA support?

If 1 has this feature both will and they already made that agreement to avoid any sort of blood bath and make 3rd parties happy.

 

[TAJ]

I'm more than ever convinced that Microsoft will dominate next-gen, based on posts like alone.

Xbox and Xbox 360 were my consoles of choice, at least for multiplats the last two gens.
If even one of those two rumors pans out, then I'm jumping ship.

 

[Zzoram]

I'm more than ever convinced that Microsoft will dominate next-gen, based on posts like alone.

Pretty much. Everything that GAF and gamers said about the current generation was wrong. PS3 never dominated due to having more power. The Wii didn't fail due to having less. The Wii and Kinect proved to have a tono f mainstream appeal. The Move didn't. Xbox LIVE didn't fail despite charging $60/year for online play. The PSP didn't overtake the DS despite having more power. The Vita might as well not exist despite being more powerful than the 3DS.

Everything gamers hated proved to be a success and everything gamers wanted proved to be massive failures.

 

[Owzers]

in regards to third parties "dreamcasting" ps4 if sony doesn't follow, they can have fun telling investors that they skipped 1-4 million copies sold out of principle, especially since EVERY publisher is complaining that games cost too much to make.

 

[gcubed]

People saying they'd go exclusive are silly. People saying third parties will offer incredible incentives to the console that's blocking used game sales are hitting the nail on the head.



Microsoft won't lose an appreciable amount of retail support.



Perhaps read the rumor. Physical game sales aren't disappearing.

i dont think they would lose much in the US, they'd get destroyed in Europe, sales and legal

 

[TheGreyHulk]

honestly, the used game thing isn't too huge of an issue for me since i'm used to steam sales being final, but publishers need to be prepared for the backlash because a lot of new games actually are bought with used trade in credit. Pubs need to keep an eye on their game prices because charging $60 for a game will not fly with consumers for a large number of titles. they will need to lower prices @ retail in a reasonable time frame after release and they'll definitely need digital prices to go down well after release, but i doubt that ever happens on XBL.

If Sony doesn't allow used games, i'm ok with it, but i'm more confident in Sony being more lenient on digital prices well after a game is released and if they don't require an always on connection, that's even more reason to buy the PS4 over the xbox.

i really hope publishers don't think it's going to be cool to leave game prices @ $50-60 nearly a year after release because they will get a rude smack in the face by the general public who only bought games by trading in old ones and paying the balance (if any).

 

[apana]

Microsoft has hardly proven itself to be a giant in the gaming sector. Will third parties hitch all their hopes on them? I doubt it. That's why I am still thinking this may just be a lame trial balloon, maybe Microsoft wants to assess the reaction?

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Looks like at present im going to be buying a Sony console and only a sony console next generation.

Good job microsoft.


(if this is all true of course)

 

[Marty Chinn]

Because of this news, I am buying the new Xbox and only the new Xbox.

I support the developers. I do not support GameStop, or shit second hand stores. I want my money to go to people who deserve it. If I want to buy a game at a cheaper price, I'll wait until its a cheaper price. Simple as that.

If I want to play my game at a friends house, I sign in on live at my friends house.

Last time I purchased a second hand game was for my SNES- and I'll never do it again - not after seeing how difficult developers lives can get, how worn down they become by the chaotic and stressful working conditions. Compared to who? People with some petty desire to make a quick buck back because they didnt have the patience to wait until inevitable price decline?

Seeing guys like Schaefer and others needing kick starter to fund a game because there's too much inherent risk in B games with a dreadful second hand market that cores out any revenue.

I am not greedy, unlike the circus of people which have their own petty goals in mind. Using new releases as a fake rental? Fuck that. The second that goes back to the game store, that rips $40-50 right out of developers pockets- developers and publishers closing left and right? Who fucking cares? I gots me my monies! We must look at the reasons for this! (Derp, second hand sales IS the reason)

What an utter disgrace the gaming community is. No wonder its looked upon like its an irrelevant art form, a children's toy... The majority of so-called gamers are children.

iOS locks you in? No problem!
Steam locks you in? No problem!
XBLA and PSN locks you in? No problem!
Durango locks you in? Omg end of world cry piss and moan

Fucking hypocritical.

I want my favorite developers to stay strong forever, whatever of them are left... I want my favorite games to be made, not just the flavor of the moment- rehash rehash rehash.

But no! I must be able to recoup my monies! Who cares about the state of our hobby! I want my monies!

The price isn't going to magically stop dropping, FYI they will still lower prices like they always have

I only buy used games in Japan and never buy them used in the US. I like to buy my games new and support the developers. I only buy used games in Japan that are from previous generations without the option to buy new anymore. This still affects me even though I don't buy used games in general.

The problem with this is it takes away my rights as a consumer and the ownership of the game out of my hands. I'm not only a gamer but a collector. I've amassed a huge library of games and I look fondly at the fact that I can go back in time and play any of those games and pass those games on to my kids. I also like the fact that they have value. The simple thought that my library of games could suddenly become nothing but a door stop because there isn't an authentication server up to give me access to my games is something I'm completely against. It's one of the primary reasons I'm against Digital Distribution as a primary means of selling games.

I want my games, that I paid for and gave the developer money for, to be available to me whenever I please and without the rug being pulled from under me. Remember, Sega used to make hardware. Imagine back then if such a technology was viable. Do you really think you'd have access to your library of games on Sega hardware right now if they had always on authentication? Or even better yet what about all the other hardware manufacturers who have come and gone?

I'm a developer myself, and love supporting them, but I'm a gamer first and foremost and do not like the idea of someone one day removing my entire game library from me or my rights as a consumer.

 

[Baconsammy]

Not if there is no install base.

Microsoft will make sure there's an install base, and they'll have a lot of third party help in doing so since they're quite literally invested in Microsoft being successful.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Why would anyone outside the most upper tiers of a 3rd party company need to know about this?

Why would anyone below the upper tiers of Microsoft who isn't working directly on the always online portion of the OS need to know anything about this?

Its takes only a handful of people to make this happen, unless you really think every 3rd party title will suddenly go 720 exclusive. If the 3rd parties will instead throw a handful of exclusives MS' way while they test the waters it's very easy to keep even the studios working on those exclusives blind to the reason why. Money hatted exclusives have been a long standing tradition in this industry, and MS dismantled their first party studios over the X360's life, them buying a bunch of 3rd party exclusives early would surprise no one.

What I'm saying is that this wouldn't be a single company involved in this and it would take a lot of people to set up a system like this. If Microsoft were to go through with this it would have to be along with at least a few major 3rd party developers.

I would just think a major project like this would cause a lot more than one leak.

Microsoft will make sure there's an install base, and they'll have a lot of third party help in doing so since they're quite literally invested in Microsoft being successful.

Yep you can be sure that If this is true they are not the only ones involved.

Microsoft has hardly proven itself to be a giant in the gaming sector. Will third parties hitch all their hopes on them? I doubt it. That's why I am still thinking this may just be a lame trial balloon, maybe Microsoft wants to assess the reaction?

Is this a joke? Xbox is huge, not to mention Windows is the largest gaming platform... ever...

 

[KAOS]

I don't really have a problem with games coming with some sort of input code to protect against reselling or piracy. As long as they let the game companies sell the code as an option to play online as we have now. I do have a problem if being constantly online means I can't play games offline like MS's Indy games.

This would be a HUGE step backwards for MS. And if so all I can say is... do it MS I dare you and see my money go elsewhere!!!

 

[quest]

The other part is ignoring competition between third parties. Let's take FIFA as a very good example.

EA agree with MS to have next gen FIFA exclusive to NXTBX, Konami otoh sell 400k units of Winning Eleven in Japan, which is not going to be possible on any kind of Xbox. So Konami release PES2014 on PS4 and NXTBX while FIFA is only on NXTBX. Konami have just retaken their crown in Europe for football games.

The fact is that there is still going to be a viable football game on PS4 that people will play if they can't get FIFA and EA would be stupid to give Konami such an easy way back into the market. Which is why they won't release FIFA exclusively on NXTBX.

The same is true for almost all genres, including shooters. If Activision take the stupid decision not release COD on PS4, EA aren't going to stand around and let an untapped market remain that way. BF4 is going to be balls to the wall on PS4 and EA will take the shooter crown away from Activision and force them to release a PS4 version either next time around or just belatedly.

This is 1 issue all 3rd parties are united on. You don't think if MS is doing this they have broad industry support? It would be done for the 3rd parties who have been on this issue for years.

 

[AzureSkies]

This is what it will mean.

Seriously though, I don't even like the idea of an always online console that won't allow me to play my games on other consoles or even borrow games from my friends. I wanted to buy the new Xbox, but sadly if this is the case I'll probably wait until there's some exclusives that are truly worth picking up and just stick with the PS4 next generation. Unless this isn't true, of course.

 

[BobTheFork]

What's the legal implication? Does anyone think there will be a lawsuit over the right to resell games?

 

[Benjamin1981]

Always online and no used games will not fly in Europe. Microsoft might as well wave the white flag and concede victory to Sony right now.

 

[jwhit28]

What's the legal implication? Does anyone think there will be a lawsuit over the right to resell games?

There already is in Germany.

 

[nbthedude]

People saying they'd go exclusive are silly. People saying third parties will offer incredible incentives to the console that's blocking used game sales are hitting the nail on the head.



Microsoft won't lose an appreciable amount of retail support.



Perhaps read the rumor. Physical game sales aren't disappearing.

Yeah, this will hurt Microsoft about as much as people not being able to sell albums or music they bought on iTunes hurt Apple.