BocoDragon said:So Nintendo is Joe Camel?
No, Nintendo is Marijuana. The gateway drug of videogames.
BocoDragon said:So Nintendo is Joe Camel?
Exactly.skinnyrattler said:And it's even more baffling now that they are enjoying their best success...due to a whole lineup of new type of games. I never saw these casual games before this. But people will hold on to the idea of Nintendo trying anything new. They just aren't trying anything new that you like.
CorwinB said:As a side note, anybody knows of a good site that would do kids games reviews ? The large sites (IGN, 1up...) are too busy catering to their 16-25 male audience to bother with them, sadly.
Sadist said:Exactly.
This article (allthough I dont agree with all of it) also shows whats wrong with the hundreds of blogs or semi-news articles about Nintendo and their new strategy or lack of new franchises. All written from the view of manbabies who passed the age of 20 years or older. But I dont think these wont stop coming any time soon.
Agreed.bigmakstudios said:But I do agree that I should probably stop posting in this thread. >_> There are millions of people that like Brain Age and Wii Sports and wouldn't ever consider them lousy enough to be disregarded completely. But yeah, to be honest, I guess I'm just bitter [...]
I guess I should be writing this on livejournal or myspace or something lawl.
norinrad21 said:Christan videogame reviews seems like a place to look when it comes to childfriendly games and reviews for the DS/Wii and the other systems
jarrod said:New Nintendo owned game IPs since 2000 for reference... released games only...
-Monster Tactics (2000) Spiral
-Sin & Punishment (2000) Treasure
-Animal Crossing (2001)
-Mobile Golf (2001) Camelot
-Kururin (2001) Eighting
-Golden Sun (2001) Camelot
-Pikmin (2001)
-Magical Vacation (2001) Brownie Brown
-Tomato Adventure (2002) Alphadream
-Cubivore (2002) Saru Brunei
-Happy Panechu! (2002)
-Eternal Darkness (2002) Silicon Knights
-Densetsu no Stafy (2002) TOSE
-Giftpia (2003) Skip
-Daigassou! Band Brothers (2004)
-Polarium (2004) Mitchell
-Trace Memory (2005) Cing
-electroplankton (2005)
-Nintendogs (2005)
-Sennen Kazoku (2005)
-Brain-Age (2005)
-Chibi-Robo! (2005) Skip
-Big Brain Academy (2005)
-Elite Beat Agents (2005) iNiS
-Clubhouse Games (2005) Agenda
-True Swing Golf (2005) T&E Soft
-Geist (2005) n-Space
-Drill Dozer (2005) Game Freak
-English Training (2006)
-Odama (2006) Vivarium
-Magnetica (2006) Mitchell
-Touch Panic (2006) Aki
-bit Generations (2006) Skip/Q-Games
-Project Hacker Kakusei (2006) RED
-Rhythm Tengoku (2006)
-Chousoujuu Mecha MG (2006) Sandlot
-Otona no Joushiki Yoku Training (2006) HAL
-Wii Sports (2006)
-Wii Play (2006)
-Hotel Dusk (2007) Cing
-Jet Impulse (2007)
-Slide Adventure Mag Kid (2007)
-Endless Ocean (2007) Arika
-DS Bungaku Zenshou (2007) Intelligent Systems
-Wii Fit (2007)
-Soma Bringer (2008) Monolith
-Bokuraha Kaseki Horidaa (2008) RED
bigmakstudios said:I never said they were all a single game. I just feel that they can't be listed as games that Nintendo has developed that are targeted toward their "hardcore" demographic.
CorwinB said:Thanks, have an URL for that ? Also, how "christian" is the "christian" part of their reviews ? I'm not into religious stuff myself...
legend166 said:I always thought that the whole new IP = innovation argument was tired anyway.
Nintendo have always developed a game mechanic and placed a franchise around it, it's not the other way around.
Look at Mario, in that universe you have a platformer, tennis, baseball, arcade racer, fighter, party game, etc. Would taking Mario Super Sluggers, taking out Mario, and adding some new characters in there make it any more innovative?
Look at Mario Galaxy. That's one of the most innovative games so far this generation, and it's still within the confines of a franchise. That's the thing with Nintendo's property's, most of them are flexible enough to make any game they want. They only one I think that suffers is Zelda. They tried to take it in a new direction and everyone pissed their pants.
My site runs a kids site with kid-specific reviews, gamerkids.com.auCorwinB said:As a side note, anybody knows of a good site that would do kids games reviews ? The large sites (IGN, 1up...) are too busy catering to their 16-25 male audience to bother with them, sadly.
I always gotten that impression. The whole industry milks the hell out of their properties and no company is immune. Any company that attains a successful IP will eventually milk the hell out of it if they are a big player. Halo has now spawned 3 titles with an upcoming spin off. GTA has spawned the 'stories' titles and we can expect similar milkage of GTA4 this gen. What Devil May Cry, Gran Turismo or Star fox are we on again? I can't keep up. Hell, IPs that have not seen massive success in recent years get sequels and milk (castlevania...oh wait, I already put a capcom game down..damnit). Yet, Nintendo gets the brunt of nerd rage.Kaijima said:But, this reminds me of what I had been pondering after reading comments in another thread today: the double standard a lot of people seem to have with Nintendo reusing franchises vs anybody else. Hardcore gamers do not generally seem to wax emo when Virtua Fighter 5, Madden 2k7, GTA4, or countless other games come out and in the big picture, are only remixes or refinements of their prior incarnations and not wildly different. But there usually seems to be a particularly bitter, aggressive front of discontent when Nintendo makes a new Mario Kart and shockingly, it's still Mario Kart. "Nintendo just shoves their franchises down our throats with no innovation and mediocre efforts! It sells a million copies because you're all sheep!"
Which, even objectively, I think pure bullshit can be called upon. Few developers put as much effort and polish into franchise entries as Nintendo typically does - when gamers bitch about a new Nintendo franchise entry failing to live up to some standard, they are usually holding it to a pinnacle game that was a rare combination of development forces and circumstances, and virtually never equaled by anything or anyone ever again.
By any other developer's standards, a "mediocre" Nintendo franchise entry is often beyond their greatest dreams of success I have rarely (though it happens) seen a Nintendo franchise title that sells well not deserve those sales based purely on its merit as a game; even if it's not the best entry in the entire series, usually it is a quality, respectable title by itself. (But then, for the hardcore, that never seems to be enough; if a game does not blow away and exceed their already often unrealistic expectations for a series, then it does not deserve to exist, much less sell well. See: infinite whining over Super Mario Sunshine, or a dozen other games.)
Reminds me of an anecdote.skinnyrattler said:People don't care, is what I think. They just care about superficial stuff and not necessarily on the gameplay.
I hope you slapped him and beat his ass down and explained how cel shading is actually a much more taxing technique.D.Lo said:Reminds me of an anecdote.
One time I saw a friend show another friend Wind Waker. 'Why does it look so bad' were the exact words of friend 2. He couldn't get past the idea that cartoon=kiddy=cheap. All subtlety was missed, all detail, all gameplay.
He then very happily returned to playing the 'awesome' 'much better looking' game Enter the Matrix. It was even the GameCube version - there was no system bias, he genuinely preferred Enter the Matrix.
As evidenced by some of the replies in this thread, even doing that will be useless.Crushed said:I hope you slapped him and beat his ass down and explained how cel shading is actually a much more taxing technique.
GenericPseudonym said:One of the first games I ever played was StarCraft. Nintendo does not have a monoploy on fun, engaging and easy-to-play games.
From his avie, VGcats, which means we probably should steer clear of his kind...Kilrogg said:I... don't think that's the point. Surely, nobody here would be insane enough to make the ridiculous claim that everybody started with Nintendo. You're being overly defensive. Of what, I don't know.
Arde5643 said:From his avie, VGcats, which means we probably should steer clear of his kind...
I take it that you didn't play it online until SEVERAL months after you started playing it, right? Because being figuratively curb-stomped by a South Korean housewife would certainly not be quite that encouraging to a normal human being.GenericPseudonym said:One of the first games I ever played was StarCraft. Nintendo does not have a monoploy on fun, engaging and easy-to-play games.
Terrell said:I take it that you didn't play it online until SEVERAL months after you started playing it, right? Because being figuratively curb-stomped by a South Korean housewife would certainly not be quite that encouraging to a normal human being.
Ok, I have played both, and I think Wind Waker and The Matrix exist in the same plane of mediocrity. In fact I don't understand the appeal of Zelda games. They are not good exploration games (limited world), not good platformers (subpar mechanics), not good RPGs (no moral choices/options), lack good combat mechanics, lack of a story, etc. I respect the fact that people think that the games are great, but I have still to figure out why. I have played the 2 Zelda games on GC, and one Zelda game in SNES. I just dont get it and gave up a couple months ago.D.Lo said:Reminds me of an anecdote.
One time I saw a friend show another friend Wind Waker. 'Why does it look so bad' were the exact words of friend 2. He couldn't get past the idea that cartoon=kiddy=cheap. All subtlety was missed, all detail, all gameplay.
He then very happily returned to playing the 'awesome' 'much better looking' game Enter the Matrix. It was even the GameCube version - there was no system bias, he genuinely preferred Enter the Matrix.
godhandiscen said:Ok, I have played both, and I think Wind Waker and The Matrix exist in the same plane of mediocrity. In fact I don't understand the appeal of Zelda games. They are not good exploration games (limited world), not good platformers (subpar mechanics), not good RPGs (no moral choices/options), lack good combat mechanics, lack of a story, etc. I respect the fact that people think that the games are great, but I have still to figure out why. I have played the 2 Zelda games on GC, and one Zelda game in SNES. I just dont get it and gave up a couple months ago.