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EGM: Final Fantasy Versus XIII a No Show at E3
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Yeah I agree, never liked the Versus name because it never made much sense to me, people told me it was the opposite of XIII or it was against XIII, but I'm like "against what"? I don't know maybe I'm dumb but the name still makes no sense to me even with all the explanation given to me. And honestly? I don't care what's it called anymore. It could be called Versus or XV or something else entirely but I don't care anymore..
I just want to play it, I mean I bought a PS3 for this game for christ sakes! Sigh Square has really disappoint me this generation..
Green Yoshi
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agreed, it would be the worst decision EVER to name it FF15.
I can picture everyone thinking "yeah, like giving me a spin-off as a mainline game, HA! no way I fall for it"
Regulus Tera
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And miss out on all the buzz generated from it being a mainline title?
They already do that with the online games.
It's not that hard to understand. It's a counterpart to FFXIII... another XIII if you will. Going against XIII... Nomura's vision of FFXIII, etc.
Regulus Tera
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That's a bit convoluted. Not to mention that the first thing that comes to people's minds when they hear the word versus is fighting games.
Vapourware for vapourware. GENIUS
Rahxephon91
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Yeah the average dude pre-ordering his games at Gamestop is going to know this.
Not trying to be an asshole, but most of what you said is just speculation. We could very much see a repeated scenario of Daikatana. I'm pretty sure you're old enough to remember what happened when that game was released, and the subsequent ramifications.
Stuck in development hell just like the original XIII ! Toriyama and Nomura might be sharing the same vision after all.
Arxisz
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Personally I'm not saying they should do it, I'm speculating as to what their moves could be in the future. let's be honest, they could easily rename this to XV if they just jump out of the FNC setting. It has enough things different than 13 going on for them to be able to pull it off.
Seven Force
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Until I had actually bothered to look up the game, I spent most of '07 thinking it was a fighting game that was going to use the characters that were going to be in FFXIII.
Didn't stop names like Theatrhythm FF, Dissidia 012 [duodecim] and KH 358/Days from coming about and doing fine, at least for the latter two.
JaseMath
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I always figured it as a spin-off. And because I didn't complete FF XIII, I assumed I wouldn't "get" Versus' story. So yeah, I agree with the sentiment that it needs to be able to stand on its own name-wise. Just call it FF XV, fix what's broken, remove any and all associations with the XIII universe, move it to next gen consoles, and be done with it.
HamPster PamPster
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I still like Final Fantasy Anniversary to capitalize on all the 25th anniversary nostalgia
Of course it will miss the anniversary...
Of course it will miss the anniversary...
H_Prestige
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Jesus Christ people, this is a big FF game. Big FF games are targeted to FF fans. FF fans already know exactly what this game is, and if they don't, they will. Doesn't matter what the name is. There won't be any confusion when it launches.
Do any of you think Versus XIII is a fighting game with FFXIII characters?
Do any of you think Versus XIII is a fighting game with FFXIII characters?
Another title stuck in a development hell since we heard zero news about it and team 12 should have done something these years....
sixteen-bit
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Makes more sense than "Dissidia"
gamergirly
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TheJollyCorner
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Nomura's vision of the myths.
So why can't those myths (fal'cie, etc.) just become part of Final Fantasy's normal mythology? Why the stubborn desire to connect it, even vaguely, to XIII unless it has a much stronger connection than Nomura and co. have lead us to believe?
On top of that, does the average consumer even know who the hell Nomura is? How would his 'vision' of FFXIII even be considered a selling point as a counter to title confusion?
I can imagine in 2005/2006, in the creation stages, S-E thought FFXIII would be their next massive success and the Fabula Nova Crystallis would be a huge deal. It made sense back then. It would start with 3 vastly different games, gain momentum, and build from there.
Remember this image?
It's clear they were anticipating this whole thing to be a game changer.
Here we are 6 years later. The truth is the vision has flopped.
What's the point of that particular name now, other than confusion? chris3116's post is definitely not the first I've seen sharing those same concerns and questions.
The best argument I can see (as far as not adapting it to be FFXV) is that the gameplay will be so different that it won't work as a mainline FF. I'm a FF 'traditionist', so I'm ok with that excuse... but how does everyone else feel? It meets all the other criteria for a mainline FF: totally unique setting/story/characters, ambitious scope, massive budget/production values.
Look, I'm damn excited for the game one way or another, and to me a name is just a name. I just feel like chris3116's post shows that S-E should seriously be considering re-branding this thing. It's been out of the spotlight for so long that I honestly can't see a downside to renaming it. I only use FFXV as an example of a bold way to garner the most immediate attention to a game S-E desperately needs to succeed..................... and get their 3 mainline FF titles in this generation and keep tradition going.
You know, I think what's sadder than the development hell this game is in is that there is no way in hell this is going to be an amazing game. Even from the footage we've seen this looks like Kingdom Hearts: Black Edition, and it seemed like the gameplay was more like Kingdom Hearts II than the evolved later titles.
Square will make miracles if this game actually is decent, considering the long development time for the game.
Square will make miracles if this game actually is decent, considering the long development time for the game.
I take it as his version of what an FF would be.
And many consumers might not know who nomura is, but I'd say his characters and artstyle are distinct enough that people recognize a game he is involved with.
H_Prestige
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Versus will get attention when it launches. It already gets a shit load of attention for every little piece of news, more than FFXIII ever got. And this is a game with hardly any media out there since 6 years. We're not talking about a game that desperately needs "buzz". It already has it.
TheJollyCorner
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I don't think you are being an asshole... and I hope you don't think I'm being one when I just kind of slowly, sarcastically nod at the Daikatana/VersusXIII analogy. :}
I just don't think the comparison is even in the same ballpark, but I'd be curious to get your take if you want to elaborate more.
As much as it is possible to care about something which will bring me entertainment. There's plenty of stuff to play in the mean time. When it's released doesn't matter so much to me, since I'll play when it drops. It's not like I'm sitting around thinking, "If this doesn't come out in 2012, I just won't play it, ever."
TheJollyCorner
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That's true. Every time I run a Versus article it gets a lot more traffic than you'd expect even for the smallest news.
TheChillyAcademic
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Yeah, I'm actually surprised that people are still interested in it after so many years. Guess they always considered this as a 'main' Final Fantasy game. But for how long though? After a few years interest will greatly diminish, and it doesn't look like we will be getting any sort of significant info on the game this year either.
I have had it with SE. The mishandle their MMO's and take them in 30 different directions at once. Now they can't even keep afloat the most interesting final fantasy I have seen them come up with this generation. Take away their godlike music and CG cutscenes and they are just subpar.
TheJollyCorner
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it doesn't matter how many little stumbles FF has had in the past few years, it's still a series that pulls in a shit-ton of attention.
This is encouraging for us fans, that's for damn sure.
I think that's the big plus with having a long established series that is constantly changing. Even if a FF comes out with a style you hate, you can always hold on to hope that the next one will suit your taste more.
Unfortunately the last three numbered FF's have either been through team collapsing development problems (XII), wasted potential, possibly due to a rush to completion (XIII), and just an unfinished technical mess (XIV). This is a disturbing trend that S-E really needs to get a handle on. The handling of info/media-release on this game is getting really frustrating for fans, as well.
I think there's still strong hype in the FF community for VersusXIII due to the hope that it will help get FF back on track as far as overall quality, which was a constant in the series pre-Wada.
As a fan of the series, I really want Versus to succeed in a big way.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Yeah, considering in May/June 2010 they showed us competent looking in-game locations and in Jan 2011 they showed a working battle system, I think by now the game has many aspects finalized and maybe even finished.
shrimpjive
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lemme see if i can give a fresh view..ff games are some of the best games ever..ff7 maybe best of all....so squeenix (square and enix) want to make sure this game lives up to the ff name..thats why its taking so long...may be also wii u port and they need the extra time to build up the extra grafix (wii u is gunna rock lol)...
Arxisz
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Indeed. Before XIII got released lots of people were actually anticipating that game more than Versus, but after that turned out the way it did, everyone is putting all their expectations on this to bring the franchise back to it's feet. Whether it will meet those expectations is one of the main reasons for all the hype.I think S-E knows that and that's why it's probably taking it's sweet time with it.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
I don't think it was a wise decision by them to develop XIII-2; instead, they should have just concentrated on Versus. Thy tried to see how it will be received after fixing most of the issues FFXIII had (created new ones too), but I kind of feel that it actually ended up hurting the brand even more. And yeah, Versus is the sort of game that most FF fans desire right now, so withholding information like this doesn't seem like a right move.
If they announce XIII-3 -which seems likely- even Versus won't be able to get the FF brand back on track.
Meccanical
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Rahxephon91
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Those are games targeted at people beyond the FF fanbase? News to me.
Meccanical
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Since when have they ever had to do anything but "LOOK KIDS PRETTY GRAPHICS" to attract people to FF games"
Rahxephon91
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Explains XIII-2's success.
Black Republican
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cooking up that 360. version
mysticwhip
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I hope it never comes out and nomura continues to string fans along with news about the fashion of Versus XIII
Arxisz
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FFXIII-2 was a succes? I thought it did well below expected numbers?
Yes, the 25-year-old, 100-million-unit-selling media franchise will collapse overnight due to the (probably predestined) critical reception of one game.
If 3 prequel movies didn't kill Star Wars, lukewarm Versus reviews won't kill Final Fantasy.
(sarcasm; it was a major flop)
Psh. I may not have really liked FFXIII but they gave me The World Ends With You. As far as I'm concerned that's like a 10 year license to screw up as long as after that 10 years they have something else good come out.
And maybe Versus XIII will be out by then
EDIT: And they published Nier. Sooooo yeah. That gives them another 5 years.
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