Gediminas
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when you play racing games, if one arcade and other simulator, even these gives different experiences. somebody lives in "downplaying" apparently.
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Engadget: Xbox is poised to dominate the next console generation
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demigod
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How about answering the question instead of dodging it like you're Mayweather?
If these games bore you, then why would you want Max Payne 3 enhanced on xbox?
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mckmas8808
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Actually didn't Netflix keep the DVD part of the business? I don't think they killed it.
Kacho
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Uh oh. You must be shook if you're digging through my post history looking for ammo. LOL
Anyway, Max Payne 3 is arguably one of the best third person shooters of all time obviously. The slow-mo and excessive violence make it stand out compared to other TPS.
Off topic but Rockstar did an excellent job supporting backwards compatibility this year. I'm very confident they will add Max Payne 3 next year, unless they have a remaster in the works a la LA Noire, which I would be 100% ok with for the record.
DunDunDunpachi
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You're right. But they make customers pay more if they still want DVDs shipped to them. Streaming was a free add-on until it became their main business. DVD became the new add-on.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You're right. But they make customers pay more if they still want DVDs shipped to them. Streaming was a free add-on until it became their main business. DVD became the new add-on.
If the video games industry went this way, I'd be okay with it. I'd pay an extra 10% upcharge. Just don't take away my ability to buy physical games.
demigod
Member
Those other games aren't on my console of choice so they suck but but but Max Payne 3 and RDR2 is good!!! LOL
Boss Mog
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What a load of horseshit.
I loved the 360 and it was my main system back then but today I just don't see MS competing with Sony. Halo and Gears were its two big franchises, both turned to absolute shit once Bungie and Epic left. I have no hope of those franchises becoming good again. MS's other franchises and exclusives are mostly irrelevant expect for racing where the Forza series is the best reality based racing franchise in gaming today.
This gen thankfully I went with the PS4 after MS's disastrous XBO reveal where they only talked about TV and a $500M deal with the NFL, not to mention all the DRM garbage and the forced Kinect that needed to be always connected. Sony convinced me that they were highly focused on games, Mark Cerny said he built the PS4 by talking directly with devs, asking them what features they needed to be able to create the best games possible. It's great when a console can have lots of other features on the side but the main reason I buy it is to game on it, so that's definitely the most important part. I had a feeling that the PS4 would be more powerful because of this and when they announced the price and that there would be no DRM, the choice was an easy choice to make and though it was tough leaving the 360 ecosystem behind where i had invested so much, I knew that with the change of architectures there would be no backward compatibility (yes MS did eventually come out with 360 BC but by then it was too late, I was fully invested in PS4).
This time around BC is almost a certainty for both next gen consoles and so I don't really see myself changing now, especially since Sony's first party games were so impressive this gen and there were so many of them. I believe that many PS4 owners think like me and plan to stick with Sony. Also PSVR shows tremendous potential and I think VR will become big in the years to come (mostly thanks to porn as with all things).
I loved the 360 and it was my main system back then but today I just don't see MS competing with Sony. Halo and Gears were its two big franchises, both turned to absolute shit once Bungie and Epic left. I have no hope of those franchises becoming good again. MS's other franchises and exclusives are mostly irrelevant expect for racing where the Forza series is the best reality based racing franchise in gaming today.
This gen thankfully I went with the PS4 after MS's disastrous XBO reveal where they only talked about TV and a $500M deal with the NFL, not to mention all the DRM garbage and the forced Kinect that needed to be always connected. Sony convinced me that they were highly focused on games, Mark Cerny said he built the PS4 by talking directly with devs, asking them what features they needed to be able to create the best games possible. It's great when a console can have lots of other features on the side but the main reason I buy it is to game on it, so that's definitely the most important part. I had a feeling that the PS4 would be more powerful because of this and when they announced the price and that there would be no DRM, the choice was an easy choice to make and though it was tough leaving the 360 ecosystem behind where i had invested so much, I knew that with the change of architectures there would be no backward compatibility (yes MS did eventually come out with 360 BC but by then it was too late, I was fully invested in PS4).
This time around BC is almost a certainty for both next gen consoles and so I don't really see myself changing now, especially since Sony's first party games were so impressive this gen and there were so many of them. I believe that many PS4 owners think like me and plan to stick with Sony. Also PSVR shows tremendous potential and I think VR will become big in the years to come (mostly thanks to porn as with all things).
1inthechamber_
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I like the digital thing and all but with these shitty policies of them being able to take your games away, I'd never want it to be the main way of gaming.
I have a huge digital library on the Ps4 and then more physical on xbox. Its quite cumbersome to be swapping discs on xbox cuz im so used to just opening the application and that's it.
ViceGrity2000
Neo Member
I have seen this statement and sentiment quite a few times on the internet and the people saying it always fail to see the blatantly obvious. The PS4 doing 1080p, and XB1 not able to but a meager 900p or even 720p WAS a huge deal in terms of power discussion, because EVERYONE saved thier money from thier jobs last gen and all already bought expensive 1080p HDTVs.
Now that the 1X is pushing more pixels in a lot of games to a closer full 4K, you see most PlayStation fans don't care. Why is power no longer a debate or an issue? Well, simply put, most people don't want to spend $1000+ on a new TV set every console generation. Most people are still happy with their expensive 1080p top of the line HDTV they bought last gen, that the PS4 was able to take advantage of displaying in full 1080p where XB1 was not.
Remember when the PlayStation Pro was first revealed and a lot of fans were disappointed and upset? It was because people wanted a system that would boost performance and frames for thier current games and TV not add more pixels and force people to buy a new expensive TV yet again.
So when this new 1X is showing up in Digital Foundry videos boasting more pixels in a lot of games, so many PlayStation fans simply don't care because those pixels come at the cost of a new TV purchase. This is why power is no longer a debate topic, because for the 1X to win, people have to buy a new TV. The base PS4 won that debate with no additional purchase necessary.
So Xbox 1X is the most powerful console ever made, but NOT on your 1080p HDTV that was once top of the line and you worked hard to buy last generation. Nope, on a 1080p HDTV the 1X and the PS pro are still the same and are EQUAL. This is also why the 1X is not flying off store shelves, it requires the purchase of a new TV to actually be true. Had the 1X had a better CPU and been able to double performance on 1080p TVs locked at 60, it would have sold more.
A lot of people don't really care or need more than 1080p pixels, and instead would rather have more frames like 60 fps locked with no dips or even 120 fps. And a lot people just don't want to buy a new expensive TV with thier new console every generation.
Kacho
Member
I feel that Rockstar games are exceptional while Sony's games are not, yes. I am sorry this hurts your feelings.
Jigsaah
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PS4 dominates with all the MP focused games like COD, Fortnite, Blops, BF, all the Free 2 Play games.........They actually dominate with players online etc.....That's why MS wanted crossplay.......That's a fact....
Don't you usually need at least a couple of examples before you say "etc"?
As for exclusive games MP focused......or which have popular MP......PS4 has SFV, GTS which dominates anything MS has...And we have unique MP games like Uncharted 4, TLOU etc.......Sony even has it's own battle royale game in H1Z1. with millions of players as per several tweets......Gears and Halo were popular in MP in the 360 days, those days are gone.....They dont hold a candle to SFV or GTS this generation or even H1Z1....Even fate Grand Order with it's ASY-MP...
Soooo...PC? Per several tweets. Do you sweat from the brow when you turn on your Ps4? Just curious.
Look at third party MP focused games or those with a substantial MP game: like Siege, Monster Hunter, Fifa, Skyrim, GTA, Division, For Honor, Overwatch.....They all dominate on PS4, including Tekken 7 and Soul Calibur 6, DBZ, Injustice, Mortal, Guilty Gear etc....Killer Instinct is dead and people still play USF4 on PS4 regularly "an old last gen game".....The proof is there, you're just breaking small sticks in your ears and blindfolding yourself willingly....
I'm seriously asking this. You say the proof is there...but you can't bother to provide any of it?
Gran Turismo Sport dominates Forza? I'm convinced you're an Xbox fanboy trying to make Playstation fanboys look bad. I do enjoy reading your posts though. You have so much energy and it's hilarious to watch.
Don't you usually need at least a couple of examples before you say "etc"?
As for exclusive games MP focused......or which have popular MP......PS4 has SFV, GTS which dominates anything MS has...And we have unique MP games like Uncharted 4, TLOU etc.......Sony even has it's own battle royale game in H1Z1. with millions of players as per several tweets......Gears and Halo were popular in MP in the 360 days, those days are gone.....They dont hold a candle to SFV or GTS this generation or even H1Z1....Even fate Grand Order with it's ASY-MP...
Soooo...PC? Per several tweets. Do you sweat from the brow when you turn on your Ps4? Just curious.
Look at third party MP focused games or those with a substantial MP game: like Siege, Monster Hunter, Fifa, Skyrim, GTA, Division, For Honor, Overwatch.....They all dominate on PS4, including Tekken 7 and Soul Calibur 6, DBZ, Injustice, Mortal, Guilty Gear etc....Killer Instinct is dead and people still play USF4 on PS4 regularly "an old last gen game".....The proof is there, you're just breaking small sticks in your ears and blindfolding yourself willingly....
I'm seriously asking this. You say the proof is there...but you can't bother to provide any of it?
Gran Turismo Sport dominates Forza? I'm convinced you're an Xbox fanboy trying to make Playstation fanboys look bad. I do enjoy reading your posts though. You have so much energy and it's hilarious to watch.
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1inthechamber_
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demigod
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You're pretty triggered just waiting for every reply from him huh
You forgot the SDF and the LOL in your post.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
I don't think most Xbox fans would think they are going to dominate next gen and i think Microsoft would take 60/40 in Sony's favour. But it's certainly going to be more interesting what's going to be coming out on Xbox (not meaning it will be better than Ps5) Those who are Ps5 only people have nothing to worry about cause you'll probably get the same and those of us who''ll get both (me) will get the best of both world's. So there is no need for all this silly behavior now is there children
1inthechamber_
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You forgot the SDF and the LOL in your post.
Didn't answer the question. Definitely triggered
demigod
Member
Didn't answer the question. Definitely triggered
You're pretty triggered just waiting for my reply huh.
Afro Republican
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Switch isn't an "8th gen console" just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. You clearly implied the Switch in your post and said "the successful last gen system" or similar and basically skipped over the Wii U, you fucked up own it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You're right, but lets be honest here. You can't claim Sony's 1st party games bore you to tears because they are 3rd person cinematic action games, yet say RDR2 and Max Payne 3 (of all games) are super awesome.
Afro Republican
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Xbox did change where they were at the start of the generation, and have done a lot to keep things from becoming worst case scenario. They are in a better spot.
However, some of the recent articles I'm seeing seem to be a little...Insane.
However, some of the recent articles I'm seeing seem to be a little...Insane.
Afro Republican
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Do a 360 and walk away.
The best part about that gif was it's origin was made by a fanboy to show a person who looks at the 360 would turn "around" and walk away from it, but it fell apart because a 360 would have you still facing the console.
Good times.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Well I didn't say the original comment Demigod was replying to, and I don't think Sony's first party is boring necessarily...though I will say they are of the same genre, which I could see why somebody would view as a repetitive thing, especially if these games are released in sequence. It's kinda like the whole idea that Dayz Gone and LOU2 shouldn't release in the same year, because they are too similar. That's just facts, no opinion needed.
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DeepEnigma
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It is MJ, it is meant to 360 and "moon"walk away. Otherwise it would have been a 180, and that just kills the entire premise.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Days Gone and TLOU2 releasing the same year is one of the DUMBEST things Sony has or will do this generation. If they are both good games, neither one will get the full praise that it would deserve because all people will do is compare the two. Just weird that Sony didn't spread them out more.
But I also feel like had Insomniac made Spiderman multi-console, nobody would think it's "samey" as God of War and Ghost of Tsushima
ViceGrity2000
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In response to the thread, if next gen the Xbox will "dominate", and that being the word they used, I don't see how. For Xbox to "dominate", they would have to steal marketshare from PS5 to where people only bought and owned Xbox's and completely ignored the PS5. That would be domination and true to the word's meaning.
I don't think that is possible, and at best Xbox can hope for next gen, is console marketshare parity. So more people will buy both a PS5 and Xbox, unike this gen. If that happens Xbox will be success next gen.
But to suggest next gen people who bought a PS4 will suddenly abandon the PS5? This notion is simply and completely preposterous.
Sony simply needs to add full backwards compatibility of the PS4 to the PS5 with improved PS4 game performance, and show off God of War running at a locked 60 fps, Bloodborne running at 60 fps, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted, all running at 60 fps, as well as PS4 remasters like God of War 3 and Shadow of the Colossus running at a whopping 120 fps and IT's OVER. OVER. Couple that with showing/announcing Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Bloodborne 2, God of War 2 and its a wrap, all 100 million PS4 owners will be back to buy PS5s. All of them. PS5 will also surpass 100 million.
Xbox can't dominate when every PS4 owner buys a PS5. They can only hope to win back the past 360 owners who bought a PS4 and never also bought an XB1.
Xbox offering handicap accessibility controllers, providing more powerful hardware so multiplats have more pixels on new tv purchases, and Game pass rental services, as well as new IPs that have great user reviews as well as great critic reviews, as awesome as these things all are, won't make PS4 fans abandon thier library, catalogs, ecosystems and beloved franchises. It's just not happening. At most, Xbox will also get bought and have marketshare parity. No domination is happening from Xbox.
I don't think that is possible, and at best Xbox can hope for next gen, is console marketshare parity. So more people will buy both a PS5 and Xbox, unike this gen. If that happens Xbox will be success next gen.
But to suggest next gen people who bought a PS4 will suddenly abandon the PS5? This notion is simply and completely preposterous.
Sony simply needs to add full backwards compatibility of the PS4 to the PS5 with improved PS4 game performance, and show off God of War running at a locked 60 fps, Bloodborne running at 60 fps, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted, all running at 60 fps, as well as PS4 remasters like God of War 3 and Shadow of the Colossus running at a whopping 120 fps and IT's OVER. OVER. Couple that with showing/announcing Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Bloodborne 2, God of War 2 and its a wrap, all 100 million PS4 owners will be back to buy PS5s. All of them. PS5 will also surpass 100 million.
Xbox can't dominate when every PS4 owner buys a PS5. They can only hope to win back the past 360 owners who bought a PS4 and never also bought an XB1.
Xbox offering handicap accessibility controllers, providing more powerful hardware so multiplats have more pixels on new tv purchases, and Game pass rental services, as well as new IPs that have great user reviews as well as great critic reviews, as awesome as these things all are, won't make PS4 fans abandon thier library, catalogs, ecosystems and beloved franchises. It's just not happening. At most, Xbox will also get bought and have marketshare parity. No domination is happening from Xbox.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I'm the only one who's provided facts, figures and reasoning for my position. How about YOU present a case for your argument, because all I'm hearing from you is "you have no idea what you're talking about", and no explanation as to how you arrived at that conclusion.
Please, and this goes out to anyone wanting to dispute me on this, justify what precisely generational demarcations are, and how they are used comparatively, because I think you'll find more support for my position than the alternative. I doubt for example, you'll find any financial analysts who put Switch in its own 9th gen category when tallying annual performance rankings because (gasp!) nobody knows exactly when that period is going to begin and as such its competing for marketshare with the other 8th gen systems!
If you can't be bothered to even try to debate, you can go piss up a rope. The only one needing to "own up" is you, because you clearly haven't thought this through, which is why no matter what you come back with, I'm still going to crush your argument.
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DunDunDunpachi
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If we're going to lump any consoles together, why not Wii/Wii-U and DS/3DS?
- The latter plays all the games of the former
- In the case of the Wii-U, it even uses the former's controllers
- They share the same form-factor and branding
Switch, on the other hand...
- Completely different name
- Completely different brand
- Completely different architecture
- Completely different form-factor
- No BC
You are arbitrarily lumping the Switch in with the platforms that came 5/6 years prior (Wii-U/3DS). This is why I asked if you also considered the Dreamcast a contemporary of the PS1 and N64, seeing how it lacked high-capacity discs and launched 2 years prior to the other 6th-gen platforms.
The DS is considered a different generation from the GBA yet it launched only three years later.
GBA + Gamecube = 6th gen
DS + Wii = 7th gen
3DS + Wii-U = 8th gen
Oh, but Switch is 8th gen too because reasons.
Thatkidgabara
Neo Member
I think it's a good thing if Microsoft is Number one Next Generation because it will Force sony to not get complacent and continue to Fight for our money losing last generation lead to play station plus witch in turn lead to Microsoft answering with games with Gold free Games for all and we the consumer win this is a trend that will likely continue with backwards compatibility and a PlayStation now mirroring gamespass next to around.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Why would it be good if Microsoft is arbitrarily #1, and why would that guarantee Sony is better?
Sony is the only console company in the history of the game industry to have two top consoles in a row. I'd include the SNES but it was a pretty significant decline in marketshare compared to the NES.
Are they arrogant and have they been arrogant in the past? Oh yes. Do they know how to put out a mass-market console? Clearly. They also put out the most successful non-Nintendo handheld by a margin of 10s of millions. Sony doesn't need Microsoft in order to put out a good platform.
ViceGrity2000
Neo Member
I disagree.
Sony did everything right with PS4 100% and I think they deserve to be rewarded for that effort with PS5 doing even better.
Xbox unfortunately messed up so bad that I think they set themselves two generations back, to where next gen they have to prove themselves all over again just to earn marketshare parity, and if they do it well enough, than maybe, maybe, next, next gen when the PS6 is up, they can maybe pass up the PS6 to be #1.
But PS4 was so good PS5 deserves to be #1 again.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
Having just put my PC together, it feels rather liberating that I care little about the console warz nonsense.
Thatkidgabara
Neo Member
No one Deserves to be #1 just yet that line of thinking is what shot Xbox one in the head before it was even released
ZywyPL
Banned
It already happened before - people abandoned X360 despite having unarguably better controller, better online, cross-game voice chat, no game installs etc., simply for PS4's lower price. Because despite what all the kids here talk about exclusives, the whole majority of gamers don't give a flying f*** about those stupid console wars, they just want to play FIFA, CoD, Assassin, GTA, etc. for as low as possible, and the exclusives are just a nice addition to the system they already have. So whoever will offer the cheapest console will dominate again, no matter how this generation turned out.
michaelius
Banned
I'm surprised no one posted this little gem of games journalism from Ars Technica
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'm surprised no one posted this little gem of games journalism from Ars Technica
Oh man, lol. I remember that. PS4 is already well beyond the 2024 derpjection.
And do not forget this...
Don't read too much into the PS4's million day-one sales
Kacho
Member
Nailed it
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Just like your extreme fanboyism never end, sadly.
Dabaus
Banned
Microsoft started this generation out with the assumption theyd roll sony in north America, had the benefit of the doubt from almost all third parties, had Marketing deals with:
-Call of Duty,
-Fifa,
-Battlefield 4,
- Fallout 4,
-The witcher 3
-Dark Souls 3
- The first look at next metal gear solid 5, which they lied and said it was exclusive
-and had Titanfall and Rise of the tomb raider as full blown exclusives.
-And first party exclusives like Halo 5, Quantam Break, Ryse, Killer Instinct, Spark, and Forza.
All of this was in the first 2 years of this generation. And they still shit the bed.
This time their dealing with a Sony that has a:
- 2:1 lead world wide
-doubled up on exclusives,
-Japense developers seeing 90:10 sales splits and
-western third parties seeing 60 to 70 splits,
-and unlike the ps3-ps4 transition, a much healthier sony financially than they were before.
As for cloud streaming, Sony bought onlive patents and Gaikia for streaming back in 2015. The idea sony isn't preparing for streaming is ridiculous.
Of course Microsft will do better next gen, they couldn't do worse. Time will though.
-Call of Duty,
-Fifa,
-Battlefield 4,
- Fallout 4,
-The witcher 3
-Dark Souls 3
- The first look at next metal gear solid 5, which they lied and said it was exclusive
-and had Titanfall and Rise of the tomb raider as full blown exclusives.
-And first party exclusives like Halo 5, Quantam Break, Ryse, Killer Instinct, Spark, and Forza.
All of this was in the first 2 years of this generation. And they still shit the bed.
This time their dealing with a Sony that has a:
- 2:1 lead world wide
-doubled up on exclusives,
-Japense developers seeing 90:10 sales splits and
-western third parties seeing 60 to 70 splits,
-and unlike the ps3-ps4 transition, a much healthier sony financially than they were before.
As for cloud streaming, Sony bought onlive patents and Gaikia for streaming back in 2015. The idea sony isn't preparing for streaming is ridiculous.
Of course Microsft will do better next gen, they couldn't do worse. Time will though.
GrybuySlon
Neo Member
Shocking how many people view console wars as a zero sum game...in the real word and boardrooms...all that matters is are you making profit and is the juice worth the squeeze. That's all MS and SONY shareholders care about. If Sony sells a BILLION f'ng consoles next gen and MS sells 50 million, stockholders, CEO of MS and the board will look at MS return on investment and not some dick measuring contest.
Good luck to all forms of gaming...it's not a zero sum game.
Good luck to all forms of gaming...it's not a zero sum game.
GrybuySlon
Neo Member
P.S. Neither MS or Sony is gonna look at the other and be like shit...well...we made a bot load of money, good return on our financial investment BUT the other guy doubled or tripled us up in total sales so we need to get out.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thankfully you were not on a conference call with EA!
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Everything right is a stretch. Compared to Microsoft for sure, but Sony isn't somehow squeaky clean this gen just because microsoft committed suicide in 2013.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
That's plain wrong.
visiblemode
Member
I own all the consoles. I'll always own all the consoles. I love my Xbox One X. That said, this is juvenile. Results are going to be needed before we get ahead of ourselves. The justifications for this prediction are beyond weak. This is a wait-and-see situation, period.
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