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[DCharlie]

travis bickle AND jrzez?

oh it is time to give up and we should just surrender right now!

 

[travisbickle]

eh? As far as I can see its Sony releasing the unfinished games, if Wipeout HD had been a fully fleshed out product, on store shelves and therefore backable on TV it could have made a difference for example. I also dont see anyone crying a river for Microsoft! Really you should read the thread before making accusations, in that point as a part of a wider discussion that was saying that it might be better for Sony to get games out simultaneously at key times nothing more. IF MS can do it why not Sony?

Wipeout HD isn't a "fully fleshed out product"?

And your view of release times was actually past my reply, I was criticizing you and DCHarlie's mutual masturbation on how PS3 games being technically better isn't as good as 360 games shorter development time; I can't see into the future or which direction your love for Microsoft will go.

travis bickle AND jrzez?

oh it is time to give up and we should just surrender right now!

I've had one or two arguements with a few of the big 360 fans, don't put me into the same (x)boat as that nutcase.

 

[antiloop]

Reminds me: People always bitched about the Xbox (360) being too shooter/fps orientated. How thing suddenly change

Now it's RPG heaven instead with shooters as 2nd priority.

 

[DCharlie]

You remember Burnout 3 and Burnout Revenge, not the last generation as a whole. Those games were anomalies. It was VERY uncommon for XBOX and PS2 multiplatform games to appear as close as those two games did.

The average difference between an XBOX multiplatform releases and the PS2/GC versions of the same game was HUGE. Much larger than any of the differences we see today. What has made comparisons so "popular" between the 360 and PS3 is simply the fact that the games are so damn close. The differences between them are not easy to pick out at first glance (in most cases) and require a new found level of scrutiny to determine. Multiplatform releases have never been as good as they are this generation.

Just think back to previous console cycles...

When talking SNES versus Megadrive, for instance, each machine had their own unique characteristics. The SNES could display 256 simultaneous colors while the Megadrive was limited to 64 colors. This alone made a huge difference in how the visuals appeared on screen. Then you have to consider the difference in sound quality. Of course, the Megadrive had a bit of an advantage with its faster CPU. Comparisons made today would have made no sense in the context of these machines as the differences between multiplatform releases could be spotted immediately.

The same exists when talking about PSX, Saturn, and N64 comparisons. The differences between multiplatform games were generally pretty significant to the point where, again, you could tell which was which from a simple glance. People praised RE2 on the N64 (which was impressive for its day), yet in reality, it would be considered a garbage port by todays standards. The capabilities of the machines were so drastically different that you could never offer the same experience across all three machines. The absolute WORST 360 to PS3 ports are still light years beyond even the best attempts during this generation. You would always end up sacrificing something significant due to the radically different hardware.

Last gen was as I said above. Each machine had a very different architecture. The PS2 simply wasn't capable of the techniques common in XBOX titles (shaders, for instance). Even games designed initially for the PS2 had a tendency to fare much better on the XBOX. In the rare instances where games were ported from the XBOX to the PS2 things were even worse. Splinter Cell anyone? How about Wreckless?! Ouch.

Things have never been better for multiplatform releases. Your sparks example suggests that you have forgotten just how far we've really come. Very few multiplatform games were as close as those released by Criterion and, even then, they were still limiting themselves by focusing on the PS2. It's just that the game LOOKED good enough that it didn't matter. Had they designed the game with the XBOX in mind I doubt a PS2 release could have compared.

The difference in textures, framerate, and image quality of modern multiplatform games wouldn't even REGISTER by previous generation standards.

Side note: Would people stop bringing up f*cking Killzone 2?! At the very least, those hyping it are driving more people that DISLIKE the game. It will likely be a decent game in the end, but all of this hype will drive people to slam the game at every turn. Just look at Uncharted. If you were to go by the forums, you'd swear that game was one of the worst games released this generation. There is this HUGE backlash against games that receive hype.

sorry too long
please compress
and tongues please remove!!!

I've had one or two arguements with a few of the big 360 fans, don't put me into the same (x)boat as that nutcase.

seriously, i've seen low baseball games that could limbo dance under your IQ. It's not my fault you are a complete fucking idiot.

 

[Facism]

So many Vaginas and apparently more than enough sand to go around.

 

[DCharlie]

I've had one or two arguements with a few of the big 360 fans, don't put me into the same (x)boat as that nutcase.

dude , it's fucking travis fucking bickle!

my mom has shat out more convincingly commited sfans than that!

 

[Quixzlizx]

Not only is that reason old and at large bs, you could've called MS already and ask for a replacement. Why didn't you?

You're really rooting for the 360.

 

[dark10x]

sorry too long
please compress
and tongues please remove!!!

Ha ha, OK, simple.

The main point was simply that things have never been better for multiplatform releases. Differences between mulitplatform games were MUCH greater during all previous generations than they are now. Even the worst 360 to PS3 ports stand above the majority of multiplatform releases you would have seen at any other time in the past.

 

[DCharlie]

You're really rooting for the 360.

is this a javascirpt, or is this the point you announce your distain?

 

[DCharlie]

The main point was simply that things have never been better for multiplatform releases. Differences between mulitplatform games were MUCH greater during all previous generations than they are now. Even the worst 360 to PS3 ports stand above the majority of multiplatform releases you would have seen at any other time in the past.

but you have to admit - the x360 3rd party efforts ARE better.... right?

and the point is STILL true, there is no exit from it - the MAJORITY of 3rd party games are better on X360 than PS3.

TRUE or FALSE?
seems to be true right?
can we get a vote on it or note?

 

[Quixzlizx]

is this a javascirpt, or is this the point you announce your distain?

You can feel free to call me out when I start attacking people for trying to limit usage on dying hardware. :lol

Unless Microsoft changed their warranty policy again, the 3-year extension only applied to RROD errors, not disc drive errors. Feel free to correct me if I have outdated information.

P.S. You're really rooting for the 360.

 

[dark10x]

but you have to admit - the x360 3rd party efforts ARE better.... right?

Yes they are. I've never suggested otherwise.

That's not really my point, though. Surely you can admit that the muliplatform situation is better than it has ever been in the past. We've never had ports of this quality during any other generation. The type of comparisons sites like Eurogamer are making would never have made any sense during previous generations as the differences were enormous to the point where such detailed articles would never have been necessary.

I think you have lumped everyone together when it comes to platform preference. I DO actually prefer using the PS3, but I'm much more interested in buying the superior version of a game at release. I tend to distribute my multiplatform buying between the platforms on a game by game basis.

Honestly, I see all of these Fallout 3 comparisons (just one example) and just chuckle to myself as I play the game at a rock solid 60 fps with virtually no loading times on my PC (using a 360 pad) on my 50" Pioneer Kuro plasma in 5.1. Even still, I find these multiplatform comparisons interesting.

 

[travisbickle]

seriously, i've seen low baseball games that could limbo dance under your IQ. It's not my fault you are a complete fucking idiot.

What the fuck? you're the person repeating ad naseum that due to 3rd parties having hardly-noticable improvements on the 360 over PS3 that theoretically the 360 can put out games that look like Uncharted and Killzone2. That's a true idiotic statement.

dude , it's fucking travis fucking bickle!

my mom has shat out more convincingly commited sfans than that!

So? I know i'm not "commited" like some fucking imbocile that starts making derogatory comments to someone that doesn't support a faceless games console maker

You're an embarrasment if you think commitment to a games company is a positive trait.

Edit:
Also how the hell have I become infamous? Can someone other then DCHarlie actually remember my posts enough to call me "a complete fucking idiot"?

 

[Kill Your Masters]

You can feel free to call me out when I start attacking people for trying to limit usage on dying hardware. :lol

Unless Microsoft changed their warranty policy again, the 3-year extension only applied to RROD errors, not disc drive errors. Feel free to correct me if I have outdated information.

P.S. You're really rooting for the 360.

You can always rrod the console yourself. Personally I wouldn't allow Microsoft to play me like that and just let the console die. Don't suck it up, or MS will never learn.

 

[Warm Machine]

When you factor in the difference in AA and normal mapping between the two, grandmaster had a good comparison

What is with the real time shadow in the lower left corner of the screen? On the 360 it has a softness on the PS3 it is solid and chunkier. If that is infact a realtime shadow at all.

 

[DCharlie]

What the fuck? you're the person repeating ad naseum that due to 3rd parties having hardly-noticable improvements on the 360 over PS3 that theoretically the 360 can put out games that look like Uncharted and Killzone2. That's a true idiotic statement.

hahahaaaaa - come now, i don't need to point out the boooolllox here right?

You're an embarrasment if you think commitment to a games company is a positive trait.

and you are doing what exactly?

Yes they are. I've never suggested otherwise.

i am not saying YOU are
i appreciate that you realise the differences but for some reason the crazy ps3-sect are restless about the whole possiblity it might be true !

 

[Dunlop]

Damn when did this thread go so fucking wrong?

Oh 2nd post...carry on then

 

[ypo]

:lol why are you guys continue to argue with that douchebag...i mean DCharlie.

 

[travisbickle]

and you are doing what exactly?

YOUR A MORAN!!

 

[M°°nblade]

You're really rooting for the 360.

I noticed that too but I didn't mention it to save the peace in this thread etc..

Ow shit, too late now. Catfight.

 

[gollumsluvslave]

These kind of threads are great for really highlighting the obvious fanboys with axes to grind.

The bottom line with this is exactly as Dark10x states above - the differences in multiplatform ports are really quite slight this generation; REALLY bad ports are the exception to the rule, if we use previous generations the differences then could be huge, so all this is really minor stuff.

However, the main problem here is really the fact that Sony built a rod for their own back with all the hype on the PS3 and Killzone E32005 etc.

People bought into their FUD about potential and held out for a PS3 thinking it would DESTROY 360 after a few weeks on the market.

Obviously this has not been borne out, but if anyone had paid much attention to how thinsg went with the PS2, it should have been obvious to see how things would pan out. PS2 was still squeezing better visuals out right up to the end.

I have no doubt that the PS3 will do the same - however, Sony have only themselves to blame for these types of fanboy fodder; sure Killzone 2 will likely be the best looking game when it comes out- 4 YEARS after E3 2005.

But for all the other multiplatform games it's a wash and will remain so for the rest of teh generation, regardless of lead platform.

MS an Sony have always had a different philosophy it seems, and in this gen (mainly because MS ditched the original Xbox and got in early) the ease of development tools and getting decent performance quickly has benefited MS most up till now.

The only folk that make anything out of these kind of differences fall into 3 distinct categories:-

1. Sites that want hits and controversy.
2. Genuine multi-platform owners that want the best game.
3. Fanboys with agendas.

 

[DCharlie]

why are you guys continue to argue with that douchebag...i mean DCharlie.

i cant tell if you are one of the mods indisguise or one of the mods in disguise?

can you clarify which you are?

 

[dark10x]

Just to put some fun back in this thread, let's take a look at some previous gen multiplatform examples. Everyone can contribute as there are just so many possibilities...

Let's start with an XBOX to PS2 port (just to remind people of what it was like last gen)...

What else can I dig up? Hmmm...

 

[DCharlie]

Just to put some fun back in this thread

this isn't helping as fanboys SWORE the ps2 version was superior.

such is the delusions :/

 

[acm2000]

Just to put some fun back in this thread, let's take a look at some previous gen multiplatform examples. Everyone can contribute as there are just so many possibilities...

Let's start with an XBOX to PS2 port (just to remind people of what it was like last gen)...

What else can I dig up? Hmmm...

haha, that game looked mind blowing on xbox, one of the few games that blew me away last gen, the water and reflections of the lit up boat etc... wowsauce, ps2 port came, and i puked up a lung in disgust

 

[gollumsluvslave]

What else can I dig up? Hmmm...

It's easy enough to go back further - even the PC to Console ports are no where near as bad as they used to be.

Let's see what examples we can get:-

Last gen (it went both ways):-

MGS2 - way worse on Xbox than PS2, slowdown, rain etc.
Splinter Cell - PS2 looked a gen apart.
http://www.gamasutra.com/resource_guide/20030714/hao_01.shtml (article on the port)

Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Xbox

PS2

There were some good exapmles of multiplatforms stuff last gen - Beyond Good & Evil, POP : Sands of Time for instance, those had much the same kind of differences as current gen.

 

[dark10x]

Damn, it is REALLLLY hard to dig up decent media for last gen games. I mean, really, most of the shots posted are nasty composite captures with all of the color sucked out of them. Once you get into the generations prior to that it's virtually impossible to find ANY media.

There were some good exapmles of multiplatforms stuff last gen - Beyond Good & Evil, POP : Sands of Time for instance, those had much the same kind of differences as current gen.

The difference is, the PS2 was the basis for most of the multiplatform games (such as those UbiSoft titles). In fact, the PS2 versions were generally released FIRST and I specifically remember being pissed off by that fact. With BG&E, I actually picked up the PS2 version first as I was so excited for the game but the framerate was so lousy that I found a way to return it for the excellent XBOX version. The differences between these ports were much greater than the stuff we commonly see today.

Those are some of the best examples of multiplatform releases last gen and the XBOX versions were pretty much vastly superior in every case.

Only in rare instances where a game was designed to exploit the PS2 in a unique fashion and then ported by a C-grade team were PS2 versions superior. MGS2 is an example of this (even the PC port sucks).

 

[gollumsluvslave]

Damn, it is REALLLLY hard to dig up decent media for last gen games. I mean, really, most of the shots posted are nasty composite captures with all of the color sucked out of them. Once you get into the generations prior to that it's virtually impossible to find ANY media.

Indeed - I remember quite a few articles comparing GC, Xbox and PS2 games, but can't find any of them.

 

[dark10x]

Indeed - I remember quite a few articles comparing GC, Xbox and PS2 games, but can't find any of them.

Yeah, they are tough to find and most of them don't even contain worthwhile media. Very annoying.

 

[gollumsluvslave]

Yeah, they are tough to find and most of them don't even contain worthwhile media.

I expected to at least be able to find GTA and GTA San Andreas comparisons but not even them.

 

[DCharlie]

Those are some of the best examples of multiplatform releases last gen and the
XBOX versions were pretty much vastly superior in every case.

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:/

 

[gollumsluvslave]

If we want a real fanboy argument, with REAL differences in graphics, here is where it's at.

http://www.c64vsspectrum.com/

Now, being an unashamed C64 fanboy, it's quite funny looking at some of the differences here (even when the Speccy looks better), and comparing that to the bitching that goes on here regarding PS3 / 360. :lol

Last Ninja 2 C64

Last Ninja 2 Spectrum

Monochrome vs Colour? Now there's a real difference! :lol




It's much ado about nothing.

 

[DCharlie]

Monochrome vs Colour? Now there's a real difference!

as an unashamed C64 MEGAWHORE (who also owned a zx specy at the time) i find comparisons like this incredible.

i remember speccy friends trying to claim the speccy version of Way Of the exploding fist was better.... oops?

 

[gollumsluvslave]

as an unashamed C64 MEGAWHORE (who also owned a zx specy at the time) i find comparisons like this incredible.

i remember speccy friends trying to claim the speccy version of Way Of the exploding fist was better.... oops?

Not even close!
C64

Speccy

:lol :lol

Yup, only Amiga vs Atari ST comes close to C64 vs Speccy IMO in terms of bitter rivalry!

And the differences in that case were again way more apparent than now. Amiga generally looking better which pains me as I was an ST owner! :lol )

I know that this will annoy some people, but:-
PS3 and 360 are to all practical intents and purposes very capable machines that can do various things better than the other, but the net result is a wash.

 

[mr_bishiuk]

Not even close!
C64

Speccy

:lol :lol

Yup, only Amiga vs Atari ST comes close to C64 vs Speccy IMO in terms of bitter rivalry!

And the differences in that case were again way more apparent than now. Amiga generally looking better which pains me as I was an ST owner! :lol )

I know that this will annoy some people, but:-
PS3 and 360 are to all practical intents and purposes very capable machines that can do various things better than the other, but the net result is a wash.

For me it was Amiga and ST that was the most bitter, MIDI was never such an important feature

 

[PuppetMaster]

World peace happened you say?

Welcome to our Obama nation.

 

[dark10x]

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:/

Err, what?

What Konami did with the modelling in Silent Hill 3 certainly deserves credit (some of the best models ever created for a game considering the polygon and texture limitations of the hardware). What does that have to do with anything?

 

[dak1dsk1]

Man... I pity the kids that get ps3s under the x-mas tree this year... ps3 is the new sega saturn... expensive and subpar.

 

[Dunlop]

Man... I pity the kids that get ps3s under the x-mas tree this year... ps3 is the new sega saturn... expensive and subpar.

The thread had finally died down, was this necessary?

+ Saturn VF2 was the greatest game of it's time

 

[WrikaWrek]

seriously, i've seen low baseball games that could limbo dance under your IQ. It's not my fault you are a complete fucking idiot.

XFE bringing down the Hammer of honesty.

You're really rooting for the 360.

I'm rooting for the Eminem of the industry, Go J, go J!

 

[lowrider007]

The thread had finally died down, was this necessary?

+ Saturn VF2 was the greatest game of it's time

+ Saturn Sega Rally, A M A Z I N G at the time, it was like having the arcade machine in your house.

 

[FrankT]

travis bickle AND jrzez?

oh it is time to give up and we should just surrender right now!

Don't worry, Travis's time is slowly ticking away. Perma ban bets are a pain.

 

[Dunlop]

+ Saturn Sega Rally, A M A Z I N G at the time, it was like having the arcade machine in your house.

Forgot about that game (I did own it), was much more of a Daytona fan myself

 

[KTallguy]

I love my Sega Saturn.
Just got Dragonforce!

 

[soco]

man this thread feels like a group of monkeys escaped from the zoo, raided a mall, and began throwing feces at all the passersby.

it's awesome.

 

[skyfinch]

man this thread feels like a group of monkeys escaped from the zoo, raided a mall, and began throwing feces at all the passersby.

it's awesome.

I would still shop till I drop.

 

[dark10x]

+ Saturn Sega Rally, A M A Z I N G at the time, it was like having the arcade machine in your house.

It was a good game, but it was nothing like having an arcade machine in your house. It made you realize just how much more powerful the Sega Model 2 hardware really was.

 

[J-Rzez]

Side note: Would people stop bringing up f*cking Killzone 2?! At the very least, those hyping it are driving more people that DISLIKE the game. It will likely be a decent game in the end, but all of this hype will drive people to slam the game at every turn. Just look at Uncharted. If you were to go by the forums, you'd swear that game was one of the worst games released this generation. There is this HUGE backlash against games that receive hype.

The game has had a mark of blood on it since the day Sony decided to green light that movie. And rightfully so. There is going to be people here that are going to shit on the visuals of the game though, they're going to be wrong or they're actually impressed but trying to cover it up. I take it you didn't get into the beta? If there's anyone you know that got into it, by all means go check it out, you're going to be surprised considering all the stuff that you're used to perhaps lacking in PS3 games is there. Knowing the hardware inside and out, post processing effects, various black magics, whatever it is, the game's visuals are too good to be able to bag on. Not to mention the art is brilliant.

Better have that list up & ready.

I look forward to said reviews for a laugh. Anyone trying to downplay the visuals is setting themselves up for a big drop of respect by readers. Other games have received 10's for far less visual output.

What the fuck? you're the person repeating ad naseum that due to 3rd parties having hardly-noticable improvements on the 360 over PS3 that theoretically the 360 can put out games that look like Uncharted and Killzone2. That's a true idiotic statement.

That's what most of the people were doing in here before. Expressing the 360 is way more powerful because of 3rd party titles lol. Then he said in counter to pointing out 1st party titles don't suffer from these visual shortfalls the ports do, that since the ports are better on the 360 that I have to prove they couldn't do killzone better on the said machine.

But, that kind of crazy talk is to expected from someone saying that Killzone looked no better than the porterhouse title of CoD4 lol.

Are ports better on the 360? Absolutely like I said before. Most of the time they're better because it seems the environment is much easier to work with/in on it. Definitely something MS would know how to do better than Sony. And the machine is no slouch. But for anyone to think that MP titles are the clear indication of one machine's superiority to the other, despite 1st party titles shitting all over those ports, then have someone reply that said 1st party titles would be better on the 360 is really laughable.

travis bickle AND jrzez?

oh it is time to give up and we should just surrender right now!

I expressed that ports are better usually on the 360. And then expressed with FACT that KZ2 is superior visually to the MP titles claiming show off 360 superiority, and you present me with wild theories that because of these MP titles being better on 360 that KZ2 would be better on 360 lol.

 

[GreekWolf]

It was a good game, but it was nothing like having an arcade machine in your house. It made you realize just how much more powerful the Sega Model 2 hardware really was.

Reminds me of an old EGM article, when Sega first unveiled their Virtua Fighter 2 cabinet at the winter CES.

While the on-stage demo dazzled the crowd, Tom Kalinske shouted, "Wow, look at that! You can't do that on Playstation!" To which the EGM writer responded, "Um, you also can't do that on Saturn, Tom."

 

[CrunchinJelly]

And then expressed with FACT that KZ2 is superior visually to the MP titles claiming show off 360 superiority, and you present me with wild theories that because of these MP titles being better on 360 that KZ2 would be better on 360 lol.

I love it. The ultimate fanboy argument...

"Yeah, well... my OPINION is FACT!"