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[dracula_x]

GDC presentation next year: 'The dangers of outsourcing'

yep. but it's impossible to make a modern AAA game without outsourcing.

 

[Carn82]

Naughty Dog just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about developing concept art (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like being a game director, where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw over a fellow concept artist, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public that plays Ubisoft games, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Uncharted 4, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Naughty Dog has alienated an entire market with this move.

Naughty Dog, publicly apologize and cancel Uncharted 4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

haha, this one never gets old ^_^

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Oh my god guise!!

 

[Kenzodielocke]

....So they just remove the picture and use a different one in time for release?

Well, maybe. It could be a placeholder for a more spoilery picture, just like someone here already mentioned. But who knows, really.

 

[AdanVC]

maybe he just had fond memories of AC4

"Ah, such a decent game compared to AC3... lot's of bugs as usual from an Ubi game tho but it was still a nice change for the series. 7.5/10"

 

[dr_rus]

Nah, Elena is just a fan of Assassin's Creed obviously.

 

[SictorVullivan]

Also I love how people are going straight for ND's throat when it's so obviously an outsourced asset screen, if Naughty Dog had noticed this before it would have been removed for sure.

 

[Nibel]

joke thread? it not even the same.

 

[ssharm02]

Naughty Dog just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about developing concept art (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like being a game director, where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw over a fellow concept artist, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public that plays Ubisoft games, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Uncharted 4, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Naughty Dog has alienated an entire market with this move.

Naughty Dog, publicly apologize and cancel Uncharted 4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

wat the fuck

 

[dex3108]

Somebody was Naughty today XD

 

[rashbeep]

If it was the opposite, poor Ubi couldn't have a break...

Can you imagine...

But yea, it is the exact picture just cropped. Shouldn't be too hard to replace it with something else before the game ships.

 

[Dahaka]

There's probably more posts calling out ND fanboys then actual ones defending it (who are batshit insane mind you).

yep, seems they waited for this, just like that Ubi guy, except his claim seems valid.

 

[Poster#1]

So they are living up to Nathan Drake by being thieves?

Spoiler

jk

 

[Shuggananas]

joke thread? it not even the same.

Lol that drawing doesn't even match the location in the flashback.

Guess it's too fucking hard to read

 

[LycanXIII]

I hope they replace it with a GAF gif.

 

[Briarios]

Oh god go away that was the biggest non-issue ever.

The defense force is strong with this one.

The fact is, this issue keeps coming up with Naughty Dog, over and over. It isn't an isolated issue anymore. It's a pattern.

 

[Xamtheking]

wat the fuck

That was a joke post
Never fear

 

[SictorVullivan]

wat the fuck

It's a GAF meme, relax.

 

[ethomaz]

Here is a better comparison

I fail to see the similarities.

I guess I'm bad at these things.

 

[Auctopus]

That is so bad. What's funnier is the cut is meant to show that the two locations are the same and the painting is from a completely different game. Hahahaha.

 

[Dreavus]

Yikes that's quite the slip up.

It will be changed before final release. Will there be any other compensation/apology from ND here?

 

[labaronx]

Oh my god guise!!

I see a younger Bradley cooper like midnight meattrain cooper

Maybe even tobey Mcguire

 

[Lister]

I don't understand why things like this can't just be seen as a complement to the original concept artist. It's not like that picture on the wall is some vital part of the game, or that anyone playing it really even gives a damn. Game isn't going to make more money because of this picture on the wall. I'd think an artist would just be happy to have the exposure.

You know what a better compliment would be?

PAYING HIM FOR HIS WORK.


That being said, it's not like every bit of art in a game is developed in house. A lot is third party stuff, and some, no doubt, specially for minor details like a painting on a wall, might be from a no royalty or similar type of image warehouse.

Are we sure that's NOT the case here? Maybe both companies just happened to purchase the same third party image?

 

[kaioshade]

wat the fuck

old (slightly tired) ass meme.

 

[Revolutionary]

Well that's embarrassing. How the hell did no one notice before it was featured prominently in a trailer?

Seems like they'll be able to fix it easily, though.

 

[m4st4]

Don't know if I should cry or laugh, or both.

I don't care about that fucking concept art.

 

[komplanen]

wat the fuck

You're new here so get used to seeing that post. It's a copypasta.

 

[Freeman]

Probably was meant to be a temporary thing that was overlooked later.

As for the recurring characters that look like well know actors, ND should just hire some models, they are really bad at disguising whom they took inspiration from specially in the concept stages.

 

[Armigr]

https://twitter.com/markmacd/status/702536841220632577

This is my #1 guess as well; a third-party asset creation company trying to pull something cheeky.

 

[Flarin]

Naughty Dog just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about developing concept art (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like being a game director, where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw over a fellow concept artist, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public that plays Ubisoft games, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Uncharted 4, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Naughty Dog has alienated an entire market with this move.

Naughty Dog, publicly apologize and cancel Uncharted 4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Spoiler

Pretty sure that was a joke post but you never know.

 

[SictorVullivan]

The defense force is strong with this one.

The fact is, this issue keeps coming up with Naughty Dog, over and over. It isn't an isolated issue anymore. It's a pattern.

They must use the same asset outsourcing company since TLOU I bet?

Maybe time for a change.

 

[Raylan]

What is going on here? Did Naughty Dog.. I'm scared writing this.. S T E A L Ubisoft concept art because they are among the best in the whole industry? Do they want some of that Ubisoft shine? Or is this just an artist fucking up?

What is this?

 

[Principate]

not even close to looking like her.

OK, wonder why Ellen Paige called them out on it after it was mentioned numerous times.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

rip someone at naughty dog

 

[everyday math]

wat the fuck

Oh sweet summer child....its an old Neogaf meme.

 

[Vinc]

That artwork is beautiful!

 

[ersocaster]

It's crazy how much shit developers can get away with it they make games people like.

This is stolen art, it's that simple. It being a framed picture does not devalue it's repercussions, if anything, it further illustrates the laziness in their art department that they could not even construct a tiny piece of concept art to put on a mantle.

 

[silvermember]

There's a lot of things that could be going on here.

1) Naughty Dog could've licensed the artwork from Ubisoft. Not likely, bur certainly possible. Even Ubisoft's head of content wouldn't necessarily be made aware of that if it was the case.
2) A third-party asset creation team hired by Sony/ND could've snuck this into their commissioned art package hoping no one would notice.
3) Someone at Naughty Dog could've used the artwork as a placeholder and forgotten to replace it in time for the trailer.

There is a chance Naughty Dog is entirely at fault here, but it's also very likely that there is something else going on here. I don't think it's healthy to jump to conclusions about this.

You are making a bigger deal of this than it needs to be made.

Changing the art will be extremely fast. They don't need to follow any of your pointless steps. After a few twitter ranting the status quo will return.

 

[Hash Slinging Slasher]

Wait, is this beach the same as the AC art one ?

If so, Naughty Dog is in deep shit.

no boat no case against them

 

[Angel_DvA]

I fail to see the similarities.

I guess I'm bad at these things.

Yup, You are.

 

[Savitar]

Let them fight.

Let them fight

 

[DemonNite]

Naughty Dog just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about developing concept art (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like being a game director, where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw over a fellow concept artist, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public that plays Ubisoft games, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Uncharted 4, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Naughty Dog has alienated an entire market with this move.

Naughty Dog, publicly apologize and cancel Uncharted 4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

lol

 

[Alienous]

This is my #1 guess as well; a third-party asset creation company trying to pull something cheeky.

I'd be surprised if Naughty Dog used a contractor for something that seems focal in the plot, as perhaps Drake's reminder of a prior event.

 

[vpance]

Good artists copy, great artists steal, right? ND is just going to the next level.

Kidding ND. Sort yourselves out

 

[Fox_Mulder]

I hope there is a limited edition with a poster of that concept art
Just for the lulz

 

[Carn82]

If anything, this whole incident makes me want to play AC: Black Flag.

 

[ArchedThunder]

It's actually common practice during game development to get other concept artist's works and modify them for their game. I wonder if an artist handed them this artwork for production and they had no idea it was used in another game, I'm certainly curious if Ubisoft owns that piece of art or if an artist does. Either way I imagine after this it will be replaced, they have an area in the game that looks just like it, they can just take a shot of it and do a paint over, would be a pretty quick and easy thing to do.

I wonder if we'll ever find out if the art was stolen, or if Ubisoft doesn't own the art or if this will just go under the rug and the picture will be different upon release.

 

[shandy706]

joke thread? it not even the same.

Lol that drawing doesn't even match the location in the flashback.

Swing and a miss guys.

 

[Strangelove77]

And so the the Uncharted-Assassin's Creed game universe begins.

 

[Lothars]

The defense force is strong with this one.

The fact is, this issue keeps coming up with Naughty Dog, over and over. It isn't an isolated issue anymore. It's a pattern.

This one is valid but the the ellen page posts and the Nadine Ross / Kandyse McClure posts are bullshit on their own. It seems like people like to get outraged for things that make no sense.