ronaldthump
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Dayummmn at the thirst. 22k is a lot of coin. It's every month? wow!
But GAF has one.
If you come out and post that you downloaded X game, you'll be automatically banned. The thing here is that some less-experienced people around emulation have problems making the nuance that you can obtain your own ROMs yourself.
I'd suggest reading the FAQ about that.
Because I literally own the game.
I have purchased the disk, containing the code, for the game to operate. If at that point I want to design (or use) a system that can interpret that disk and play it outside of the original manufacturer's hardware, that is within my legal right. Nintendo cannot physically, nor legally stop me from doing so. I have not stolen from Nintendo, because I actively purchased their game. Buying a WiiU is not a requirement to legally play a WiiU game. If this is the line of thought, then all emulation is bunk. For all systems. No one could "legally" play any game on any emulator for all of time.
What can Nintendo do? They can deny me support if something went wrong, as the emulator is not "their" software. They could, if they so chose, deny me the ability to purchase games from them directly, as is their discretion at any time for any reason. They can't stop me from doing what I do with the thing that I physically own and legally purchased.
Correct, the disc's data also must be your own, so it must be ripped via your own Wii U to be legit.
It's not complicated at all, if you already own the consoles and games that permits you to casually play as 'normal', you have the right to play it on your PC as long as all the data comes from your own personal stuff.
I'm confused as to why people think cutting the hardware out of the equation is fair or okay or anything like that.
Nintendo is a hardware and a software company. They create great software so you'll buy the hardware.
But GAF has one.
If you come out and post that you downloaded X game, you'll be automatically banned. The thing here is that some less-experienced people around emulation have problems making the nuance that you can obtain your own ROMs yourself, thus relating emulation to straight piracy.
I'd suggest reading the FAQ about that.
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People were able to emulate Ocarina of Time 64 back then as well. The game logic was 100% perfect, just some bad effects in some parts.
Wait, CEMU is for-profit? Now THAT I don't see how you can think is fine. They're, at least indirectly, making money off Nintendo's software then.
Wait, CEMU is for-profit? Now THAT I don't see how you can think is fine. They're, at least indirectly, making money off Nintendo's software then.
So who is right?
Are you presented with such a license at the time of purchase of the game in a physical shop?Are you, though? That's what I was asking before. Is there no such thing as "software X is licensed to be used on hardware Y"? I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
....but thats what i wrote.
Zelda especially a Zelda with the most perfect scores in metacritic history is a system seller.
To have a system seller like Zelda to be emulated on PC with better graphics within 6 months of release will obviously hurt Nintendo.
Imagine if all the top PS4 exclusives can be emulated on PC. There would be no reason for alot of people to buy a PS4, which could potentially mean Sony loses out PS4 hardware sales, software sales and online fee sales.
They're technically donations, you don't have to donate to use CEMU.
Its an emulator. Nintendo can't touch them
They create hardware primarily so that you'll buy the software and accessories. I'm not saying that they don't make money off of the console itself, but they benefit much more from you buying software and accessories from them than they do if you buy a refurb Wii U with NintendoLand and never buy anything else again.
I just don't think lost sales should have ANY bearing on the analysis because it's not something proveable for any game.I never argued that stealing the game is ok. I think you are misconstruing what I'm arguing entirely. What I'm saying is that if my intentions are pure, I'm not all that worried that other people might be using this bad things. And I realize that this is almost venturing into gun control territory where I sound like a "guns don't kill people, people do" advocate. And I want to note that I'm just using that as a springboard here and really, really don't want to turn this thread into a gun control debate. But using that as an inspiration, I'll admit that it is of interest to try and determine actual negative impact from this. Like if you told me that you could definitively prove that Nintendo lost "X millions of sales" from this and that of all the people playing the game on CEMU, only 10 had legitimately bought a copy, that might give me pause. I might conclude that this emulator's existence is doing more harm than good in the grand scheme of things. But if it's just "any piracy is bad and thus this is bad!" then I don't find this particularly compelling.
Outside of this forum the emulator is used by a lot of pirates, simply downloading the game for free.
Are you presented with such a license at the time of purchase of the game in a physical shop?
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People were able to emulate Ocarina of Time 64 back then as well. The game logic was 100% perfect, just some bad effects in some parts.
It's absolutely fine. They are using their own code, not Nintendo's, so it is absolutely fine and leg. Just like DraStic, a paid Nintendo DS emulator for Android.Wait, CEMU is for-profit? Now THAT I don't see how you can think is fine. They're, at least indirectly, making money off Nintendo's software then.
A Wii U is technically required, either to use the Eshop to aqquire the digital license, or to use it to dump a disc. You don't need any internal Wii U console files, so it is legal to just borrow a Wii U to buy/dump the games on, then return the Wii U to the original owner and still be able to play the games you got.So who is right?
So who is right?
I own a Switch and the game in question. If the opportunity arises to play at a solid 60fps, I'll take it.
Your better example would be Neo Geo. It had games emulated/pirated almost the moment they came out in the later years of the platform.Fun stuff:
People were able to emulate Ocarina of Time 64 back then as well. The game logic was 100% perfect, just some bad effects in some parts.
Now that I understand CEMU isn't piracy at all, is there anything Nintendo could do to stop people from downloading Breath of the Wild illegally on the internet?
If I see anyone in real life do that, is there anything I could do about it?
I'm sure calling the cops won't do shit but technically it is illegal, right? How do I get those people arrested?
It's absolutely fine. They are using their own code, not Nintendo's, so it is absolutely fine and leg. Just like DraStic, a paid Nintendo DS emulator for Android.
Me, you need to own the hardware to do legit emulation.
Not being able to play the game by yourself without having to resort to emulation makes it piracy.
I haven't seen anybody arguing that here.
Same here! Gonna be glorius. I've spent 800 bucks across a ps4 and a Pro, and if someone made an emulator making bloodborne possible at 4k/60 i'd starve myself to be able to afford to support them.
I certainly wouldn't let concern and entitlement or loyalty to a corporation make me think otherwise. Eveyone should get to play BB.
These people are earning over 20 grand a month to essentially pirate a brand new game... isn't this dodgy as fuck? Won't this be shut down in quick style. Working on this completely on your own in an unofficial capacity, sure, crowd funding your efforts.. not so much.
I'm not saying they're using Nintendo's OS code or BIOS or whatever. I'm saying they're indirectly making money off of the games Nintendo make, because playing those on your PC is the entire point of the emulator.
Most likely won't happen, the best you'll get is 4K+ at locked 30fps.
These people are earning over 20 grand a month to essentially pirate a brand new game... isn't this dodgy as fuck? Won't this be shut down in quick style. Working on this completely on your own in an unofficial capacity, sure, crowd funding your efforts.. not so much.
What? No.
If I own a Retrode, with the capability of ripping my Gen/SNES carts directly to PC, I don't actually need either piece of hardware to play those games.
Piracy, in this sense, means "stealing the game". I own the game. There is no piracy involved.
I just don't think lost sales should have ANY bearing on the analysis because it's not something proveable for any game.
Saying, "I don't think my behavior was bad because you can't prove outcome XYZ was affected by it" isn't a very compelling rationale. There's such things as reckless (or even negligent) behavior that can attribute immeasurably to a risk of harm, even if such behavior isn't motivated by immoral underpinnings.
Saying we cant know if sales are impacted so it's not worth worrying about this emulator is too laissez faire.
You do have to pay if you want access to newest builds, as soon as they are released. Which kind of makes it not a true "out of goodness of your heart" donation IMO.They're technically donations, you don't have to donate to use CEMU.
It also showed that a big company doesn't need the law to strictly be on their side to shut down a project like that.Bleem already decided legality. If it doesn't use copyrighted code, it is legal.
Once again, false. Ownership of the hardware is not a requirement, since the emulator does not use any kind of BIOS files. You just need a Wii U to be able to dump it, but it doesn't matter if it's yours, lent by a friend or rented for a day.Me, you need to own the hardware to do legit emulation.
Not being able to play the game by yourself without having to resort to emulation makes it piracy.
Most likely won't happen, the best you'll get is 4K+ at locked 30fps.
TAB to check what is in the tablet screen. Mouse to emulate the touch. On games where the screen is mirrored on both, you can just use the mouse on the main screen and it will translate it to the second.how does CEMU handle the tablet stuff?
Man, it's like a broken record. The developers of Cemu are not pirating any software. I don't know how that's so hard to understand.
They are providing no access to a copy of those games or any portion of them, so that does not matter in the least.
Let's live in a lovely world where we can emulate every game upon release from Nintendo, Sony and MS in 4k easily from day 1. I'm sure Sony and Nintendo would love this and out more resources to making first party games and this wouldn't effect them
You do have to pay if you want access to newest builds, as soon as they are released. Which kind of makes it not a true "out of goodness of your heart" donation IMO.
Now that I understand CEMU isn't piracy at all (and awesome), is there anything Nintendo could do to stop people from downloading Breath of the Wild illegally on the internet?
If I see anyone in real life do that, is there anything I could do about it?
I'm sure calling the cops won't do shit but technically it is illegal, right? How do I get those people arrested?
That's pitiful money. Barely enough to pay a couple of devs to work full time on it.At $22k per month CEMU is going to rapidly become the best emulator of all time lol.
Viewing it from that angle, neither were the Pirate Bay founders. They still got screwed. Which you can think whatever you want about, of course.
Once again, false. Ownership of the hardware is not a requirement, since the emulator does not use any kind of BIOS files. You just need a Wii U to be able to dump it, but it doesn't matter if it's yours, lent by a friend or rented for a day.
Now that I understand CEMU isn't piracy at all (and awesome), is there anything Nintendo could do to stop people from downloading Breath of the Wild illegally on the internet?
If I see anyone in real life do that, is there anything I could do about it?
I'm sure calling the cops won't do shit but technically it is illegal, right? How do I get those people arrested?