If you want that you would need to get a PC.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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If you want that you would need to get a PC.
shinobi602
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What is disappointing?
Can Crusher
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But that's not a console. It's not the same.
JonathanPower
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Cell is very strong in video/audio processing, it could be used as a coprocessor to assist the main CPU.
I don't even know the validity of that. Last thing Sony needs now is to complicate development with three different memory pools, and not to mention bringing back Cell.
I'm not going to discredit it completely, but I'm labeling it as "unlikely" for now. I'm not privy to insider information, so I can't say with confidence what the final machine will carry in terms of specs.
I don't know how difficult it would be to program a game utilizing an eight-core Jaguar CPU with a 7SPE Cell, but I imagine it would be more difficult than programming for Cell alone. That's not even beginning to point out the different memory pools. Three? Really?
Why on earth would you want a Cell processor for that? There are much lighter and cheaper alternatives that are well-versed in doing what you suggested.
No.
Not the same demo you saw running on an i7 and GTX 680.
Oh Cell.. such fond HPC space memories.. Anybody remember this?
PS3's Cell CPU tops high-performance computing benchmark
A new research paper takes a look at how a common high-performance computing
PS3's Cell CPU tops high-performance computing benchmark
A new research paper takes a look at how a common high-performance computing
That would be a hardware disaster waiting to happen.
The rumour that new guy posted is such complete and utter bullshit that I can't believe people are even discussing it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Digital Foundry and their sources are correct and what the articles states is more or less what the PS4 is going to contain. As for all this whining about the CPU etc. I don't know where you people get such misguided ideas from but a console is a completely different beast to a Windows laptop.
Good old power cost Sony and Microsoft billions of dollars, looks like they learned a lesson from that.
shinobi602
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Not 60fps.
JonathanPower
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Let's say there is Cell with its own memory taking care of the OS and all the other task, such as sound, I/O and security, while also assisting the CPU with vector inteNsive game code. This would mean having all 8 cores and 4GB DDR5 available for games, making it the most powerful console on the market.
Well, maybe it would cost less for Sony using Cell since it's their tech, instead of using another chip. It already happened with the PS2, where the PS1 CPU was used for sound and other tasks.
The average consumer is not going to pay more than $400 for a console thats why. People in here are being way to obtuse.
Yeah, I don't get some people's obsession with Cell either. Sure, it was a number crunching monster at that time but overall its general purpose computing was limited and it caused devs a lot of headaches.
zomgbbqftw
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Was it maxing out that config?
The gulf in computing power between an i7 paired with a 680 vs 8 jaguars with an under clocked Pitcairn would preclude that you shouldn't maintain confidence that very high end games would retain a full 1080p resolution.
Adding a Cell to the console would cost Sony billions over the course of the generation in the form of integration r&d, motherboard complexity, cost of non-standard memory and the very inclusion of the chip itself.
BruceLeeRoy
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Are you basing that on specs or did you read the article.
Not the CPU.
EDIT: It was a tech-demo. No game logic, so naturally, the CPU wouldn't be burdened much. And it's an i7.
Insane Metal
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What the flying fuck? lol
Wait a sec.. you just reminded me of a dual core vs quad core article... Give me a couple of minutes.. I think it was really good feature and explain in layman terms without patronising the reader, for people who are new to comparing cpus, efficiencies, clock for clock, quadcore vs dual core etc...
give me a couple of minutes...
Can't find the article I was thinking of, but this article is a pretty good replacement:
Can Intel’s Dual Core Beat AMD’s Quad?
edit: It ain't clear cut either way. But those eight cores could ruin a lot of quadcore reputations. Possibly.. er yeah. Shame we're not going to get benchmarks but rather inflated flop counts or whatever artificial ceiling they will type on their powerpoint presentations...
Can Intel’s Dual Core Beat AMD’s Quad?
edit: It ain't clear cut either way. But those eight cores could ruin a lot of quadcore reputations. Possibly.. er yeah. Shame we're not going to get benchmarks but rather inflated flop counts or whatever artificial ceiling they will type on their powerpoint presentations...
zomgbbqftw
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Also, there is literally no way that Sony stick Cell and 512MB of XDR in PS4. They are getting away from that. Yoshida is said to have ordered the hardware guys to build a console that is easy to develop for because third party software is not guaranteed this time around. No way that Sony is going to stick Cell into any console at the expense of gaming performance.
Cell + 512MB XDR would add around $80 to the BoM all in, and that would have to come out of the silicon budget elsewhere otherwise the power requirements would be much too high.
Cell + 512MB XDR would add around $80 to the BoM all in, and that would have to come out of the silicon budget elsewhere otherwise the power requirements would be much too high.
zomgbbqftw
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I am going by real world performance gauges. The Xbox Xenon processor is 3x as powerful as a PPE (it is essentially a triple core version), the Cell was rated at around 1.5x the power of the Xenon making that 4.5x the power of the PPE. Octo core Jaguar is 10x the power of a single PPE, therefore it is around 2x the power of the Cell processor.
Oh you did it that way... clever.
Yup, not 60fps cause it'll be running it at 120fps babayyy! Next gen let's go, wooo!
Man I really hope we get some solid reveals at GDC this year. Dedicate E3 to the tech demos and software line-up please.
zomgbbqftw
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Hence the D:
Doesn't seem like much of a jump to me. Prefer the idea of the quad core, eight threaded Steamroller, that would be a large increase. Jaguar seems like a junk architecture designed for netbooks like Atom.
JonathanPower
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zomgbbqftw
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Why though?
shinobi602
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Personally I don't directly compare specs in a console vs a desktop PC, as I know for a PC with a GTX 580 for example isn't the same beast as a closed platform console with a custom GTX 580 equivalent.
Well, both, yet neither. I knew the time of losing hundreds on every unit sold was no longer viable. These machines are good by virtue of being new technology years later -- not because they are inherently cutting edge. I'm sure I'll get over it by the time they show us next-gen games, but I was hoping for a little bit more on the CPU/GPU end. But again, there is still so much we don't know. I was not in the camp of expecting a 4TFLOP machine, but I did want a large, hot monstrosity.
somuchwater
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Sounds very practical, and yet is still a shame. People with a lot of PSN games, or even full digital games will feel put out, I think. There's also the issue of the PSN+ instant collection no longer working.
Quad-core Steamroller would be four threads. But your concern is sound.
I should add that Jaguar is actually much more impressive than I'd given it credit for. Clock for clock it's performing above its pay grade, and these new generations multi-cores work better scaled up then ever before.
And you also have HSA efficiencies to think of which will come off good I reckon.
zomgbbqftw
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Is the PS4 going to come with some kind of EM generator that puts out a wave to disable nearby PS3s or something?
will everyone's ps3 vanish when ps4 comes out?
not worth it for anyone. i'd rather sony keep the price down.
shinobi602
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All that matters is that these machines leave the 360/PS3 in the dust. If we get games looking like Halo 4, Killzone 2/3, Uncharted, The Last of Us, and GOW Ascension currently on these antiques, just imagine what we'll get next gen.
You think there is a graphics menu? It's a demo, what you see is what you get. No doubt some of the techniques will be toned down ore removed for a console release.
Yup. That's why I'm still excited yet can still emphasize with the other camp.
The more you guys talk about Jaguar, the more depressing this thread gets. I'd imagine some dev from 4A Games declare what an underwhelming piece of *&(% it is. I wonder how much better it is than the WiiU's cpu now...
You're going to get sligthly better results in a closed platform due to the very nature of having most or all resources dedicated to gaming, but that doesn't make up for a gulf in computing power. A GTX 650 equivalent in a console doesn't make it perform like a GTX 680, for example. You have hard limits in the amount of juice you have to work with, and no amount of wizard jizz can change that.
JonathanPower
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Because having a dedicated processor taking care of OS and all the other tasks would mean having all 8 cores and 4GB DDR5 available for games. In addition, the SPEs could also assist the main CPU with vector intensive game code, making it a monster console.
3 low power ibm cores at 1.2ghz vs 8 low power amd cores at 1.6 ghz.
That i7 paired with a 680 was also paired with Windows (I'd assume), and it was running a demo focused on showing graphical features and not at all optimized for the hardware it was running on.