So what. Let these boxes be big and hungry so I say!
If you want that you would need to get a PC.
So what. Let these boxes be big and hungry so I say!
Hmm I hoped for more. If this is true Im dissapointed
If you want that you would need to get a PC.
No it won't the rumor for 10X is talking about the PPU only .
It's such a shame these system going to be using jaguar, i how the power and space they save goes into the GPU .
Throwing the cell into the mix with the AMD processor would be a mess.
Those are two different processor architectures.
it would needlessly complicate the design and massively increase the power consumption of the system. I'm not sure the cell was ever really such a good fit for a gaming console, no matter how many flops it churned out.
Yeah but what if jaguar cores on PS4 are coupled with a Cell with 7 SPEs then it woud be a flop monster.
Cell is very strong in video/audio processing, it could be used as a coprocessor to assist the main CPU.
i just want to know,
this specs can run agni's philosophy at 1080p60?
say yes pls pls pls
i just want to know,
this specs can run agni's philosophy at 1080p60?
say yes pls pls pls
I don't even know the validity of that. Last thing Sony needs now is to complicate development with three different memory pools, and not to mention bringing back Cell.
I'm not going to discredit it completely, but I'm labeling it as "unlikely" for now. I'm not privy to insider information, so I can't say with confidence what the final machine will carry in terms of specs.
I don't know how difficult it would be to program a game utilizing an eight-core Jaguar CPU with a 7SPE Cell, but I imagine it would be more difficult than programming for Cell alone. That's not even beginning to point out the different memory pools. Three? Really?
What happened to good old power...
i just want to know,
this specs can run agni's philosophy at 1080p60?
say yes pls pls pls
i just want to know,
this specs can run agni's philosophy at 1080p60?
say yes pls pls pls
I don't even know the validity of that. Last thing Sony needs now is to complicate development with three different memory pools, and not to mention bringing back Cell.
I'm not going to discredit it completely, but I'm labeling it as "unlikely" for now. I'm not privy to insider information, so I can't say with confidence what the final machine will carry in terms of specs.
I don't know how difficult it would be to program a game utilizing an eight-core Jaguar CPU with a 7SPE Cell, but I imagine it would be more difficult than programming for Cell alone. That's not even beginning to point out the different memory pools. Three? Really?
Why on earth would you want a Cell processor for that? There are much lighter and cheaper alternatives that are well-versed in doing what you suggested.
But that's not a console. It's not the same.
Throwing the cell into the mix with the AMD processor would be a mess.
Those are two different processor architectures.
it would needlessly complicate the design and massively increase the power consumption of the system. I'm not sure the cell was ever really such a good fit for a gaming console, no matter how many flops it churned out.
oh yeah I forget.
PPU on it's own for most things wasn't so good though.
Not the same demo you saw running on an i7 and GTX 680.
Not 60fps.
Well, maybe it would cost less for Sony using Cell since it's their tech, instead of using another chip. It already happened with the PS2, where the PS1 CPU was used for sound and other tasks.
I think I'm in the realistically disappointed camp. I guess all those who feel the same will have to look forward to E3 and see if the games deliver on the visuals. And if those are impressive, it'll only get better. So there's that.
Was it maxing out that config?
Xbox Xenos = 3x PPE
Cell = 1.5x Xenos
8 core Jaguar = 2x Cell
D:
Xbox Xenos = 3x PPE
Cell = 1.5x Xenos
8 core Jaguar = 2x Cell
D:
Wait a sec.. you just reminded me of a dual core vs quad core article... Give me a couple of minutes.. I think it was really good feature and explain in layman terms without patronising the reader, for people who are new to comparing cpus, efficiencies, clock for clock, quadcore vs dual core etc...
give me a couple of minutes...
I am going by real world performance gauges. The Xbox Xenon processor is 3x as powerful as a PPE (it is essentially a triple core version), the Cell was rated at around 1.5x the power of the Xenon making that 4.5x the power of the PPE. Octo core Jaguar is 10x the power of a single PPE, therefore it is around 2x the power of the Cell processor.
Yup, not 60fps cause it'll be running it at 120fps babayyy! Next gen let's go, wooo!Not 60fps.
Oh you did it that way... clever.
Adding a Cell to the console would cost Sony billions over the course of the generation in the form of integration r&d, motherboard complexity, cost of non-standard memory and the very inclusion of the chip itself.
Maybe not a whole Cell but something like this may be feasible.
The gulf in computing power between an i7 paired with a 680 vs 8 jaguars with an under clocked Pitcairn would preclude that you shouldn't maintain confidence that very high end games would retain a full 1080p resolution.
Well, both, yet neither. I knew the time of losing hundreds on every unit sold was no longer viable. These machines are good by virtue of being new technology years later -- not because they are inherently cutting edge. I'm sure I'll get over it by the time they show us next-gen games, but I was hoping for a little bit more on the CPU/GPU end. But again, there is still so much we don't know. I was not in the camp of expecting a 4TFLOP machine, but I did want a large, hot monstrosity.Are you basing that on specs or did you read the article.
Also, there is literally no way that Sony stick Cell and 512MB of XDR in PS4. They are getting away from that. Yoshida is said to have ordered the hardware guys to build a console that is easy to develop for because third party software is not guaranteed this time around. No way that Sony is going to stick Cell into any console at the expense of gaming performance.
Cell + 512MB XDR would add around $80 to the BoM all in, and that would have to come out of the silicon budget elsewhere otherwise the power requirements would be much too high.
Hence the D:
Doesn't seem like much of a jump to me. Prefer the idea of the quad core, eight threaded Steamroller, that would be a large increase. Jaguar seems like a junk architecture designed for netbooks like Atom.
Sounds very practical, and yet is still a shame. People with a lot of PSN games, or even full digital games will feel put out, I think. There's also the issue of the PSN+ instant collection no longer working.
Sounds very practical, and yet is still a shame. People with a lot of PSN games, or even full digital games will feel put out, I think. There's also the issue of the PSN+ instant collection no longer working.
Well, both, yet neither. I knew the time of losing hundreds on every unit sold was no longer viable. These machines are good by virtue of being new technology years later -- not because they are inherently cutting edge. I'm sure I'll get over it by the time they show us next-gen games, but I was hoping for a little bit more on the CPU/GPU end. But again, there is still so much we don't know. I was not in the camp of expecting a 4TFLOP machine, but I did want a large, hot monstrosity.
Was it maxing out that config?
Yup. That's why I'm still excited yet can still emphasize with the other camp.All that matters is that these machines leave the 360/PS3 in the dust. If we get games looking like Halo 4, Killzone 2/3, Uncharted, The Last of Us, and GOW Ascension currently on these antiques, just imagine what we'll get next gen.
You forgot to bold the other parts of the comment, like the mentioning of custom silicon to free up CPU resources. Besides, the GPU is no slouch, and this generation will showcase GPU-centric development for games, compared to last gen's, more CPU-centric approach. Don't let my PC-sided mind detract you from PS4's power. It's powerful, but not in the way people had first imagined.
Personally I don't directly compare specs in a console vs a desktop PC, as I know for a PC with a GTX 580 for example isn't the same beast as a closed platform console with a custom GTX 580 equivalent.
Why though?
The more you guys talk about Jaguar, the more depressing this thread gets. I'd imagine some dev from 4A Games declare what an underwhelming piece of *&(% it is. I wonder how much better it is than the WiiU's cpu now...
The gulf in computing power between an i7 paired with a 680 vs 8 jaguars with an under clocked Pitcairn would preclude that you shouldn't maintain confidence that very high end games would retain a full 1080p resolution.