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F/911 having devastating effects on morale overseas.....
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ConfusingJazz
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So far you arguments seem to be:
1. The troops shouldn't see the movie, it makes them depressed.
2. They should show both sides of the argument.
3. Everybody is a moron who doesn't agree with me.
Add any more, I am willing to listen, but don't think I am going to say you are correct. I also believe that most of your points have been refuted quite legitmatly, and I think you are entering "Ownedville".
1. The troops shouldn't see the movie, it makes them depressed.
2. They should show both sides of the argument.
3. Everybody is a moron who doesn't agree with me.
Add any more, I am willing to listen, but don't think I am going to say you are correct. I also believe that most of your points have been refuted quite legitmatly, and I think you are entering "Ownedville".
KilledByBill
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My question is what's worse to the morale of troops overseas:
The views expressed in Michael Moore's Film or President Bush declaring the end of major combat operations in Iraq only to see another 700 or so soldiers dead since then along with countless more Iraqis?
The views expressed in Michael Moore's Film or President Bush declaring the end of major combat operations in Iraq only to see another 700 or so soldiers dead since then along with countless more Iraqis?
SolidSnakex
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KilledByBill said:
Or Bush going to war over WMD, chemical facilities ect. and never finding them. Whoa wait a second, let him look under his desk before saying that.
Do you have evidence of this? Did Michael Moore say this...or is it apparent that he is recieving and spending a lot of money? It's clear that the film is making a lot of money, but who knows what he'll spend it on?
You also claim that he is only in this for the money, and I would disagree. It's quite evident that one motive for this entire editorial (I won't call it a documentary, as we shouldn't be calling FoxNews the "news") is to attempt to sway votes away from Bush. It's quite evident, if you need proof, I'd ask you to search the 'net.
This story TPO posted goes to show one important thing. Moore was able to speak to the everyday American.
There are many documentaries on the Iraq Invasion that are much more solid, more effective, and more fact-filled than this one (I wouldn't know the names, but I'm paraphrasing what my friend said). But not many Americans would have watched it, because the word of mouth advertising wouldn't be as good (since F9/11 is entertaining).
SolidSnakex
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Fight for Freeform said:
I don't doubt that Moore wants money. But I also don't think that's all he wants. The guy did tell people to pirate his movie before it was even released. Someone that's only in it for money would never say anything like that.
Also one of those films you're talking about is called "The World According to Bush". And I can give a very good reason you haven't heard much about it...It's from a French film maker.
The Promised One
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ConfusingJazz said:
Nope, never said that.
Yup. Do you have a problem with that? Sadly, most of you seem to.
And you and everyone else in this thread feels exactly the same way. Way to call the Kettle black.
What points? I just posted an article, which has neither been "owned" or "refuted". Try getting offline for a bit, you obviously spend too much time in front of the computer.
Hahaha...if you think Moore isn't like any other Hollywood movie maker you are wrong. He is just like the rest of them...only in it for the buck. The angle of his is only his niche selling point.
Pull the wool from over your eyes. If he was so righteous he would have released this as a non-profit film. He is a capitalistic pig just like the rest of them.
Pull the wool from over your eyes. If he was so righteous he would have released this as a non-profit film. He is a capitalistic pig just like the rest of them.
Catchpenny
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40% of the profits go to the Weinsteins as per their typical fee, and the rest goes to charity. You were saying?
element
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These troops weren't force to watch the movie and not given another perspective. They watched the movie on their own time and on their own will. So they knew what they were getting into.
If they want to hear the other perspective then pick up a damn news paper, read CNN.com, do something to inform yourself.
I don't see anyone in this thread against people taking the initiative and LEARN about the cause they are fighting for. If anything it is the lack of initiative or the just lack of knowledge about current events that makes people scared of the troops.
TPO, you still have given any insight on how F9/11 lied or present any facts that back that statement up.
Drinky Crow
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Assuming this isn't a bullshit article (which is a stretch), why don't we HOLD OUR PRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE FOR SHIPPING OUR SOLDIERS OUT TO WAR ON FALSE PRETENSES? Moore's just pointing out a large aspect of the truth, here; the onus for the tragedy of this war lies on the heads of the men WHO STARTED IT.
I can't believe some of you think shooting the messenger and suppressing the message would fix the problem. How about you help our soldiers and this country by voting out the fucking crooked administration that started an immoral and indefensible war?
I can't believe some of you think shooting the messenger and suppressing the message would fix the problem. How about you help our soldiers and this country by voting out the fucking crooked administration that started an immoral and indefensible war?
Hey thats great that this film can earn millions for charaties. However, that article speaks nothing of how much profit Moore is making of this film. I wasn't talking about the studios profit making margin either...I'm strictly talking about Moore.
Heh...net profit is jack shit by the way. You show me that the charaties get $60 million for this film (the film just top $100 million this weekend). It isn't going to happen. Net profit can be dwindled down to something insignificant in comparrison to gross profit of the film.
Heh...net profit is jack shit by the way. You show me that the charaties get $60 million for this film (the film just top $100 million this weekend). It isn't going to happen. Net profit can be dwindled down to something insignificant in comparrison to gross profit of the film.
Crabs in a bucket.
Michael Moore is acting like a good American. He exercises his freedom of speech. Stands up for what he believes in. And he makes lots of money. What more could you ask for. Amazing how suddenly doing these three things makes him a bad person in so many people eyes. Time to open those eyes.
Michael Moore is acting like a good American. He exercises his freedom of speech. Stands up for what he believes in. And he makes lots of money. What more could you ask for. Amazing how suddenly doing these three things makes him a bad person in so many people eyes. Time to open those eyes.
I'm so glad that I now know a film's credibility is measured by how much money its creator doesn't make. Thank you, oh enlightening one, for showing me the way.
"Everyone else" has been making valid points and refuting The Promised One's ridiculous claims. TPO has yet to do the same; his entire argument revolves around "you stupid liberals are wrong". Thus... "Everybody is a moron who doesn't agree with me."
Honestly, a lot of posts in this thread seem to be nothing more than "you idiot, how can you not have the exact same liberal opinions as I do?"
Now I realize that TPO apparently is looking for trouble making threads like this, and that he hasn't backed up a lot of his claims, but he's not the only one making stupid insults.
What precisely were the gross lies and distortions? I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of misleading material in F9/11, as Moore definitely has an agenda, but I've yet to read from a credible source exactly what was misleading. Just show me a few facts and I'd welcome them with an open mind.
TheQueen'sOwn
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Let's burn the books..... burn em' good! They only make people depressed!!Mashing said:
i like how people who say this kind of shit claim to be wholly rational and that others claim they are shocked, SHOCKED by how rational they're being. in fact, i like it so much i'm going to imitate it because imitation is the first form of flattery (buttsex being the second).HAOHMARU said:
hence,
FACT: HAOHMARU IS A FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL.. he is no worse for BUSH.
ps, tard
G4life98 said:
I disagree. His publicly stated intentions is to get the Bush Administration out of office.
His underlying intention is only to make money...and that is his only true reason for making these films. Like I said, he is just like any other Hollywood movie maker. In the end, it won't matter who won the election or who lost it...he will be sitting pretty with all that cash he made from people buying into is product.
A capitalistic pig, just like Bush. Everybody makes this guy out to be some kind of savoir...but he is just like the rest of them.
You've said this a number of times, but when I ask you to back it up with facts, you don't. Instead, you claim it is fact.
No one can say for sure that his underlying intentions are this or that, but we can make some assumptions and guesses using facts to back up those theories.
Thus far, you can't read his mind, and so it's a theory. A theory backed up by very little data, none at all in fact.
I'm talking about ANYTHING Hoahmaru. Look at his clothes...it's not like he dresses like he has a million dollars. How about his home? If it was an extravagant mansion, I'd see your point.
Currently, you seem to not even know what kind of house he owns...yet you make these kind of comments.
Non-profit organizations can in fact make a profit. Enough for a year's operating expenses, if memory serves. This can include things like salaries for the people involved. Whether or not Moore's films are made under the banner of an NPO is another matter, though.
Point being, NPOs are not some socialist construct designed to combat capitalist pigs, as has seemingly been suggested. They're simply organizations who's primary goal is not (as with most corporations) the monetary enrichment of shareholders.
Why is it so terrible that he should make a profit? With F911 he's probably made enough money to make ten more similar documentaries, and I'd be willing to bet that he will do so.
Point being, NPOs are not some socialist construct designed to combat capitalist pigs, as has seemingly been suggested. They're simply organizations who's primary goal is not (as with most corporations) the monetary enrichment of shareholders.
Why is it so terrible that he should make a profit? With F911 he's probably made enough money to make ten more similar documentaries, and I'd be willing to bet that he will do so.
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