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Hell yeah, I'd party with Notch.
I think it's just fucking hilarious
If you were at a private party that was put on by mostly females, would you really be offended if there attractive males being paid to go around entertaining the women there? C'mon.To me, it isn't about being a hyper white knight, it's about being considerate and inclusive. I'm not even referring to this Notch situation, which I think was different from the IGDA party.
I kinda agree. I think booth babes are a far bigger factor that might keep women from the industry then some allegedly payed women who were there to dance and socialize.To be fair, this is "Corporate Party Throwing 101." At Electronica in Munich a few years ago (convention for shit like capacitors, PC boards, green tech, etc), the booth next to mine literally had a naked woman just lying down on a table. I'm not saying that to show you that it is and should be normal, I'm just saying it to express that there might be bigger fish to fry with regards to the "women in ______" outrage. Let's try to get stuff on that level to change before we try to shut down nightclubs for hiring models even though that's not what happened here.
(I know you said there's no outrage on your end and everything, your post just made me remember that anecdote is all)
I don't get this.. Notch says nobody was hired, so is he lying or is this just a non-story?
If you were at a private party that was put on by mostly females, would you really be offended if there attractive males being paid to go around entertaining the women there? C'mon.
This is an example of political correctness going overboard.
To take it to an extreme, I guess I could see feeling kind of out of place if I was trying to make actual conversation with attendees, but everyone was more interested in conversing with the people who are paid based on their ability to know how to party and be good looking.
Who gets invited to these VIP parties anyway?
This thread is getting loco.
But wouldn't that apply to males as well? Perhaps even moreso?
What i find most baffling is how a lot of people in this thread seem to be completely ignoring the statements by both Notch and the event organiser stating that they didn't hire/ pay people to party at the....party.
That is what happens with witch hunts.
That is what happens with witch hunts.
The paid women could easily be conversing with the attendee women, too. Its not like there's some specific divide that they have to keep where they're only there to talk to men. I was at a strip club last Thursday night with a few friends and the strippers that would come and talk to us were just as chummy and inclusive with the girl we were with as they were with us guys.To take it to an extreme, I guess I could see feeling kind of out of place if I was trying to make actual conversation with attendees, but everyone was more interested in conversing with the people who are paid based on their ability to know how to party and be good looking. From that perspective, I can see why female attendees might theoretically be put off by the reverse. Of course, it's not clear that this is what happened at all. Therefore, I can't really jump on board with any indignation here barring more facts.
The paid women could easily be conversing with the attendee women, too. Its not like there's some specific divide that they have to keep where they're only there to talk to men. I was at a strip club last Thursday night with a few friends and the strippers that would come and talk to us were just as chummy and inclusive with the girl we were with as they were with us guys.
If you were at a private party that was put on by mostly females, would you really be offended if there attractive males being paid to go around entertaining the women there? C'mon.
This is an example of political correctness going overboard.
But then why only pay for women? If it's just talking it shouldn't matter what gender the models are.The paid women could easily be conversing with the attendee women, too. Its not like there's some specific divide that they have to keep where they're only there to talk to men.
I've worked for / consulted for companies that were predominantly female (Conde Nast, Ann Taylor, some smaller companies in fashion/design). If they threw a party like that (and they don't), it would be creepy as hell. Tech / IT (the only departments that had more than a handful of men) already feel like these weird little enclaves, doing something along these lines would only have ostracized us further.Yes? I mean I wouldn't go at all, would you feel wanted, would you go?
Yes? I mean I wouldn't go at all, would you feel wanted, would you go?
If you were at a private party that was put on by mostly females, would you really be offended if there attractive males being paid to go around entertaining the women there? C'mon.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
Misguided said:
- This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person.
- These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills.
- It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention.
- I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
I would wonder why they needed to be paid.
You guys are right, this is grossly sexist. Those women shouldn't have been paid anything considering they were corralled to go to a free party.
That is what happens with witch hunts.
Don't see the big deal here. I would gladly put on a wig and dance for $300 an hour.
Its a party full of women. You'd have to have some pretty bad insecurity issues not to go. Its not like we're talking Chip'n'Dale dancers or anything.Yes? I mean I wouldn't go at all, would you feel wanted, would you go?
Because its a predominantly male audience? Catering to the crowd, as they say.But then why only pay for women? If it's just talking it shouldn't matter what gender the models are.
Hell yeah, I'd party with Notch.
How is that catering to the crowd? I thought it was just talking? Are you saying men are incapable of speaking to other men?Because its a predominantly male audience? Catering to the crowd, as they say.
Hmmm. Stories aren't adding up. Very conflicting info going around Twitter. Some very specific claims being made by people, vs very explicit denials.
Rich man in paying for escorts shocker?
Who gets invited to these VIP parties anyway?
Who said it was 'just talking'? Yes, thats all that they are required to do, but their attractive presence is also part of the desired effect. Are you a guy? Do you like interacting with attractive women?How is that catering to the crowd? I thought it was just talking? Are you saying men are incapable of speaking to other men?
What's being claimed? I haven't seen anything.
Game hobbyists are currently in their university stage of life, trying to get outraged every chance they get about issues that don't effect them.
Who said it was 'just talking'? Yes, thats all that they are required to do, but their attractive presence is also part of the desired effect. Are you a guy? Do you like interacting with attractive women?
Who said it was 'just talking'? Yes, thats all that they are required to do, but their attractive presence is also part of the desired effect. Are you a guy? Do you like interacting with attractive women?
What is that desired effect?Who said it was 'just talking'? Yes, thats all that they are required to do, but their attractive presence is also part of the desired effect.
Not for the sake of it. I talk to attractive women all the time, so it depends on what they're saying / what we're talking about. If I were in an industry event or a corporate party I would find it tedious to be surrounded by people who didn't belong there except as eye (ear?) candy. Although I'm not so insecure about myself or my sexuality that I need people to be forced to hang around me.Are you a guy? Do you like interacting with attractive women?