Slappers Only
Junior Member
Playing on Bone, like the game, but man, that low res and framerate are pretty shit-tier.
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Face-Off: The Evil Within
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Dictator93
Member
Any comments about PC motionblur or anything should be taken with massive salt. Framerate changes the way motionblur is rendered. You cannot just take a framestill from some area and compare them if they are running at different framerates. It would not be the first time that DF has made this mistake.
That is unless DF made sure the PC, xb1 and PS4 version were all running at the exact same framerate in that area and were rendering the exact same things.
That is unless DF made sure the PC, xb1 and PS4 version were all running at the exact same framerate in that area and were rendering the exact same things.
Wattie1980
Banned
with the evil within being slated for it's black bars,do you guys think the makers of the order will reconsider their decision to use them now ?
Bad FPS absolutely effect's a person's gameplay experience. So does having 30% of their screen completely unused and poor FOVs and camera angles making the gameplay difficult to observe and control.
Artistic "Vision" and poor Engine Performance getting in the way of gameplay is a very bad thing.
The game is a great game and people should play it if they love horror, but it absolutely has short comings that distract from it immensely and it COULD be so much better.
I was going to ask about why the motion blur and dof were of lower quality on PC.
The Strokes
Banned
The game's coming on the next 4 months. I say no.
Also, while I think The Evil Within uses the black bars because truly Mikami just felt like it, I think The Order uses them to improve the game's performance. The game seems to be quite the looker and I doubt it would run at full 1080p and a steady 30 fps considering those graphics.
Unlikely. Seems with the consoles at least, is that performance is the main gripe. Assuming they have that figured out and the game is all pretty and sparkly, I doubt the complaints would be too prominent even though black bars will be a point of contention.
Wattie1980
Banned
thanks mate.hoping it will be worth the wait,feels like an eternity since it was announced,lol
Inceptional
Member
Yea that pisses me off too because if the game has a more stable performance on 360 I'd honestly prefer to buy that version over the PS4 version with better resolution. And it wouldn't surprise me considering this game feels like it was designed for last gen and then ported to current gen, which could explain the less than stellar optimization for PS4 and ONE. DF should at least have one paragraph talking about the older systems. I've heard the PS3 version aint that great but the PS3 versions of multi-platform games were never great. I NEED to know about 360!
Looking at Benchmarks, you can get console-level performance on a 560 ti. That is an extremely mid-range graphics card that is nearly 5 years old.
Evil Within's port is so inconsistent. The game actually seems to run well on the low end, unlocking the FPS beyond 30 brings out some of its faults.
The evidence clearly points to the black bars being there for performance reasons. Bethesda's PR successfully marketed the reduced aspect ratio as a feature.
Evil Within's port is so inconsistent. The game actually seems to run well on the low end, unlocking the FPS beyond 30 brings out some of its faults.
The evidence clearly points to the black bars being there for performance reasons. Bethesda's PR successfully marketed the reduced aspect ratio as a feature.
No way. Even the concept art and tech presentation power points for The Order are in 21:9. The game has clearly been planned for it since the beginning. It seems to be putting more thought into the FoV than Evil Within as well. I like the approach but you need to be very careful in order to pull it off.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Love the curated OP in hopes of a curated discussion free of PC.
nobodyshero
Banned
It's a bit of an ugly game at the best of times, albeit with an awesome art style. This wouldn't exactly be a big win for either console, even if the differences were more drastic.
But all they're really doing is just limiting your view, as you can still swing the camera up and down and still see the space around you. And it's this constant manipulating of the camera and limited view that kills the immersion of the game. And it's this immersion that is of the utmost importance to videogames, while not nearly as important in movies, since they are more of a passive experience.
The cinematic experience sure gives me a headache.
Tidus_Great
Banned
it doesn't look good on any platform.
The black bars are here to stay, certain HUD elements don't adapt to the lack of black bars when you remove them on the PC. The sniper rifle zoom, for example. You can also see the location of the health bar doesn't change either. The blood splatter effect when you get hit also won't go to where the black bars normally would be. I doubt they're going to go through and change that stuff even for the PC version.
The perfect Dark
Banned
What the hell is DF smoking? There was no stutter in my Xbox one version
Dragonborn
Member
I feel like I'm the only one that really likes the black bars. It does give the game a more cinematic, movie like feel (yes, I know a lot of Gaffers hate those words).
It's actually increased my interest in the Order.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I'd imagine he's laughing actually.
The black bars themselves aren't terrible, it's the extremely low FOV combined with them that is awful.. Can't see shit, captain. Black bars with the FOV tweak on PC that got released is amazing.
I flat out don't notice them and I'd rather have a native pixel scale than upscaling. I watch a lot of movies though so I'm used to filtering them out. Like I mentioned earlier, it can definitely work for games but you need to be very careful about camera and character placement as well as your FoV.
BTW for people wondering about this game, the FoV increases quite a bit once you hit chapter 6.
Super jealous of you PC guys/gals/gender-queer individuals out there. Don't have a gaming PC right now and the camera on PS4 spends the entire time crammed up Sebastian's ass. I started crouching less just because it makes it impossible to fucking see anything.
I hope this game gets a follow-up made in a competent fashion.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
What am I seeing here?Motion blur's pretty nice on PS4.
The PS4 looks better then PC, that can't be right.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Something else I noticed in the PS4/XO comparison video is the smoke from the falling platform quickly gets sucked down with it on PS4 but appears and disappears at the same height as Sebastian on Xbone.
As a knock-on effect it may be intersecting the DoF and motion blur longer in that instance.
Also black noticebly isn't quite black on the XO side, full RGB capture with Xbone set to output limited? Does it crush blacks if set to full RGB output?
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yeah I haven't noticed this at all. I have played PS4 and Xbox One and not seeing this constant stutter.
Motion blur's pretty nice on PS4.
Something else I noticed in the PS4/XO comparison video is the smoke from the falling platform quickly gets sucked down with it on PS4 but appears and disappears at the same height as Sebastian on Xbone.
As a knock-on effect it may be intersecting the DoF and motion blur longer in that instance.
Also black noticebly isn't quite black on the XO side, full RGB capture with Xbone set to output limited? Does it crush blacks if set to full RGB output?
Looking at the gif, that repeated geometry is also on ps4 for a few frames. Maybe the first comparisson doesn't catch the exact same frame in all versions.
Here's another funny little quirk.
On PS4 the lens flare from the lantern is very late disappearing when it's hidden by the metal post, and both versions are slow making the flare reappear when the lantern's back in full view.
PS4 doesn't have near DOF effect neither dirty lens effect.
I made those shots and captured them from the PC version while locked at 30 fps. Captured several scenes at both 30 and 60 fps but used 30 fps footage for making screenshots in order to side step potential rendering bugs.
That specific area renders at a completely stable 30
Fps on both consoles and the pc was locked down as well. That's why I used that shot.
It was set to full.
It's very subtle but quite present. I noticed it immediately but I suspect most people won't.
Wish I could have tested those. Didn't have access to them.
RespectThySole
Member
Is the performance of this game really that bad? I might wait for a price drop to grab it then.(XB1 version)
Backfoggen
Banned
Are they not comparing the last-gen versions? I want to see how this game looks on PS3 with its tiny RAM.
It's not a technical masterpiece but still perfectly playable.
It's not a technical masterpiece but still perfectly playable.
It's not optimized. Can't hold 30fps at sub-1080p, pretty pathetic.
WordsintheWater
Member
I don't mind the black bars, but in combination with that FOV it's really bad. Either it got better as the game went on or I got used to it, but now being in Chapter 6 I haven't been bothered too much.
How's the control on PS4? The PC-version has the framerate to it's advantage, but the gamepad support is shit. Whenever you try to aim diagonally with a 360-gamepad the sight flies off in straight x- or y-angles as if you were trying to paint a two dimensional stair case with it. I really want to play this with a gamepad and if the PS4-version doesn't have this problem I might settle with a worse framerate and shitty FOV.
Green Yoshi
Member
There are countless PS4/XBO comparisions, but what about 360 and PS3? I heard some harsh statements about the PS3-version ("PS2-graphics!"), but rather positive comments about the 360-version.
Would have loved to look at those but it wasn't an option, unfortunately.
Cosigned, I'm still waiting for the X360 analysis and reviews
360 version could run better but hardly the look should be better 'to change' the perception of the graphic. Maybe 360 owners had more realistic expectations for the graphic.
TranceKuja
Member
I'm not really noticing the framerate issues on PS4. It was very noticable in the very first area where you're still outside and that kind of scared me, but I don't think it has gotten that bad afterwards anymore. Am only in chapter 5 though so who knows.
I hate idTech 5 with a burning passion but texture popin isn't as bad as in Rage or Wolfenstein, I only really norice it durung cutscenes.
Game would be better off without the black bars, but I'm getting used to them. On a 46-inch screen there's still enough space to see what you're doing but I can see how it would be terrible on a small(er) screen. I think the bars kind of add to the claustrophobic atmosphere, makes the game feel more surreal. I would still prefer the entire screen filled of course, but I guess you gotta make the best of it!
I hate idTech 5 with a burning passion but texture popin isn't as bad as in Rage or Wolfenstein, I only really norice it durung cutscenes.
Game would be better off without the black bars, but I'm getting used to them. On a 46-inch screen there's still enough space to see what you're doing but I can see how it would be terrible on a small(er) screen. I think the bars kind of add to the claustrophobic atmosphere, makes the game feel more surreal. I would still prefer the entire screen filled of course, but I guess you gotta make the best of it!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Eh, played through the PS3 version myself, besides some notable texture popping in later chapters, the frame rate etc was certainly a lot more solid than the hitches people are talking about for the PS4/XBone version.
PS3 ver video
Backfoggen
Banned
I've looked at some comparison vids online and it seems like the last-gen versions use drastically different textures. Seems like something that would be interesting to take another look at.
DF just released a video comparing PS4 unpatched and patched.
Unpatched as dramatically worst performance (mostly 10fps lower than patched) and lowered resolution as well.
http://youtu.be/Hm3Z_xRCt6w
Unpatched as dramatically worst performance (mostly 10fps lower than patched) and lowered resolution as well.
http://youtu.be/Hm3Z_xRCt6w