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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Sure he is....
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Nein
Have fun Germanygaf.
Not leaving the house. I live quite close to one of those warning signs. Sound of helicopters all day long.
NyMartin90
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Because he was in the first period of his rule
His Majesty
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It's easy to admire dictatorship from afar.
Fuck those people.
Fuck those people.
@WashingtonPoint
Turkey soccer federation board members resign for "security checks" after coup http://www.sportskeeda.com/football...members-resign-for-security-checks-after-coup @sportskeeda
Turkey soccer federation board members resign for "security checks" after coup http://www.sportskeeda.com/football...members-resign-for-security-checks-after-coup @sportskeeda
Read about the Pro-Erdogan demonstration in Germany, absolutely insane. One guy was quoted saying:
If what is happening in Turkey is Democracy I don't dare to think what they consider dictatorship.
Dubbedinenglish
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Went on a cruise, with a friend, that was supposed to go to Istanbul for the last stop (Athens to Istanbul)... Days before the cruise, bombing at the airport, so the cruise line changed the last destination to Athens. Fought and got the cruise line to pay for flights from Athens to Istanbul (hotel and flight back to state, in Istanbul, already booked for and paid for with no refunds). It was a one week cruise and on the last night, as we were packing, the coup took place (was watching the news). Planned to fly out to Istanbul on Saturday in the afternoon but got canceled due to the speech of the president at the airport... No biggie, had another day in Athens at a beautiful beach resort (airline paid). Flew to Istanbul on Sunday. Got there and everything was normal or fine I should say. Beautiful place! Awesome not having to deal with the tourist crowd; this allowed us to explore Istanbul and to do so much in the three days we were there. It is really sad for the tourist business though as they are all hungry to sell. I was a little hesitant at first after hearing the news of the coup but my friend had friends in Istanbul who we kept in touch throughout the trip and he assured us everything was fine. I would love to go to Istanbul again!
PdotMichael
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In the early part of the thread one could read mqny posts of that kind.
DXB-KNIGHT
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In some Arabic media stations with a political religous background like AL Jazera and so there is a mass pro Erdogan propaganda going on.
He is labeled as the return of the Khalifa of all Muslims.
The saviour of Democratic freedom.
The Muslim Brotherhood is unusually active given that Turkey and Erdogan is their last chance for survival after their image got tarnished based on their Egypt and Syrian stance and being identified as a terrorist organization by Saudia Arabia Bahrain and the UAE.
Other unbiased Arabic political critics are pointing to focus Aleppo after the Terrorists organization labeled as Jabhat AL Nusra (Backed by Qatar and Turkey and is one of Muslim Brotherhood indirect armed forces decided to shift toward becoming a political party in Syria post the "coup").
He is labeled as the return of the Khalifa of all Muslims.
The saviour of Democratic freedom.
The Muslim Brotherhood is unusually active given that Turkey and Erdogan is their last chance for survival after their image got tarnished based on their Egypt and Syrian stance and being identified as a terrorist organization by Saudia Arabia Bahrain and the UAE.
Other unbiased Arabic political critics are pointing to focus Aleppo after the Terrorists organization labeled as Jabhat AL Nusra (Backed by Qatar and Turkey and is one of Muslim Brotherhood indirect armed forces decided to shift toward becoming a political party in Syria post the "coup").
blu
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I was thinking the same thing this morning, listening to the news block on the radio.
Every single news coming from Turkey from their official news channels was finishing with the obligatory 'in an attempt to preserve democracy'. There's nothing democratic in post-coup purges, you morons.
Brainwashing to the N-th degree. This is how Nazism flourishes.
At the huge "Pro Erdogan" demonstration of 20.000 thousand turks in Cologne.
"Erdogan is a hero of democracy" ...
I see similarities to a russian friend of mine who lives here in germany and tells stories about the russian community here in Berlin who totally adores Putin and his "strong hand". Nobody wants to go back there except for vacation but they all think he's bringing Russia back to glory...
Turkey is super pissed about Germany not letting Erdogan address his supporters in Cologne during the rally yesterday. They summoned the German ambassador. Remember, since the Armenia Resolution they don't let him meet the Turkish government so his position is basically pointless. Now they wanted to talk to him but he's on vacation, so they get to shout at another person.
They say that from now on Germany is not allowed to talk about Turkish democracy or the lack thereof since not letting Erdogan talk to his supporters is undemocratic.
http://m.heute.de/ZDF/zdfportal/xml/object/44621302
Once the refugee deal is off this is gonna turn real ugly.
They say that from now on Germany is not allowed to talk about Turkish democracy or the lack thereof since not letting Erdogan talk to his supporters is undemocratic.
http://m.heute.de/ZDF/zdfportal/xml/object/44621302
Once the refugee deal is off this is gonna turn real ugly.
Chairmanchuck
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"Erdogan is a Hero of democracy."
Doesnt wanna go back to Turkey... Yeah...
Doesnt wanna go back to Turkey... Yeah...
paradise_circus
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How often did Erdogan criticized other countries to stop interfering in domestic politics in turkey? I also am dissapointed by the turkish population, who adore this demonstration and visited the demonstration. They have almost zero education in the turkish policy, they know the country solely on vacation memories and from their grandparents nostalgia.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Jesus christ those paper headlines. Truly the worst of the worst.
Funyarinpa
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I've rarely felt more disappointed in my race. Absolutely shameful.
When you have a huge Turkish population in the country that seems to eat up everything Erdogan says I think you should care a little. It could become a real danger if it escalates like that.
I'm just glad nothing happened yesterday. Cologne was a potential powder keg.
That said, just because the demo is over, it doesn't mean the situation has improved. I really hope we can fix those deep rifts in our society. It cannot be good that a foreign politician can mobilize a considerable amount of Germans like that.
That said, just because the demo is over, it doesn't mean the situation has improved. I really hope we can fix those deep rifts in our society. It cannot be good that a foreign politician can mobilize a considerable amount of Germans like that.
The way i see it, the EU is less vocal now and Erdogan can go on with his purge. Nothing is going to be done unless he invades a neighborhood country i guess. Which isn't going to happen any time soon as he and his supporters are way too busy removing all political opponents. Europe never learns
I don't understand what you want Europe to do at this point. Europe can't force Turkey to uphold a Rechtsstaat and they also can't force Erdogan's supporters to feel differently.
Only hard steps that can be taken are:
- Throw Turkey out of NATO, which is against Europe's interests
- Stop Turkey-EU negotiations, which will strengthen Erdogan even more
- Stop the refugee deal, which would be disastrous for the governing parties in Germany since 2017 is election year and would strengthen the far-right parties across Europe even more
Ah i see Erodgan has the EU by the balls. May we live in interesting times then.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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But a Turkey EU visa deal would give just as much fuel as round 2 of the refugee crisis.
Highly doubt this
I don't know about "just as much". The visa deal to me seems impossible at his point anyway. Turkey needs to change their definition of "terrorism" and I don't see Erdogan giving up his tool to interrogate NGOs and other groups.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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but that's what he demands, if it falls through and he opens the floodgates he lost his leverage.
possibly but it will look very bad
Theonik
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Do you think right wing parties will be happy with allowing 80 million Turkish citizens visa free travel at this juncture? Do you think it's more palatable than ~2.5m refugees in Greece?
andythinkpad
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I thought US gives a lot of foreign/military aid to Turkey. But Wikipedia shows me only in the 10 million range, way less than Egypt. I guess only EU/Merkle's policy toward Turkey will make real difference.
If EU would want to get rid of Turkey grab on its balls they could just create a task force as a Plan B and if indeed the deal with Turkey fails play hardball with Turkish smugglers.
I think the initial deal already made an impact on the willingness to pay a lot of money for a dingy only to be returned, so I don't think a second wave would be as big as the first.
I think the initial deal already made an impact on the willingness to pay a lot of money for a dingy only to be returned, so I don't think a second wave would be as big as the first.
I think that the refugees are still the more successful tool for these kind of people to make fearmongering.
And obiviously there wont be 80 million people coming from turkey to europe.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's not like Right Wing parties use facts.
Theonik
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Considering the amount of flyers I've been getting from Brexit nutters during the EU referendum about Turkey joining the EU and the muslims coming over I think you are firmly wrong about that. They don't use facts. All they need to say is that 80m might be coming over. 80m people won't be coming over but they could, and to those voters the potential influx is worse than containing refugees in Greece which they could not give a rat's ass about.
The idea here is that the new refugees will make their way to Germany.
OK, cant argue against that here
Theonik
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Greece's land border is already locked down and the re-distribution efforts have pretty much halted. This will not change if the deal with Erdogan is off.
The German politicians know better than to let that happen so they will look for other solutions now that the deal with Erdogan has proven to be a failure.
The European Union at that point should have spread a list of all countries in favor of Turkey in the European Union. Only features the United Kingdom.
I think it would be a huge no. The majority of the EU countries won't allow Turkey to join. I also don't think Turkey is ready to contribute the kind of money that the top 5 countries inject into the EU. Everyone else just takes and don't contribute shit besides the usual Germany/Holland/Belgium/Austria/France are trying to treat us like second class EU citizens while shoving refugees down our throats.
Royal_Phalanx
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The EU is locking down so good luck manufacturing a new refugee crisis Turkey. The EU or UN should fund a place for refugees to stay whilst they apply for asylum to the EU as a whole, but certain countries stopping redistribution from taking place are the main obstacles to solving this problem logically.
TheRealTalker
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There was some stuff I saw in Conflict News but the more recent stuff had their sources delete their tweets after posting it
yeah this was one of them but the person deleted there link afterwards
which is odd
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This was interesting
Explains why most of the coup soldiers were from the faction that shell the kurds
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something happened in the past few days it seems
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