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NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDIST BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH.

He's a sick, sick man.


Bleh Corvo watching the censored version of Blood-c :(
Buy the DVD, you cheap.
Are you kiddin'? These hilarious censor bars are way, way more fun than yet another show of heads exploding.

I still think you're fairly delusional on this point. It's perhaps possible to put forth an argument that Lelouch did that intentionally on a subconscious level, but it's about as clear as it could possibly be that it was in no way a part of his actual conscious plans.

Also, you say there's no other examples of Geass
accidentally triggering
, but that's really just arguing technicalities. When you've established that Geass
eventually becomes permanently active, against the user's will
, it's pretty obvious that at the moment that change occurs,
accidents can happen
.

The real contrived part of this whole scenario is
the accident happening at the single most devastating moment it could possibly happen, by a pretty astronomical factor. I mean, it's quite easy to imagine that no matter when the Geass became permanently active, it could have caused some pretty awful accidents, since all kinds of otherwise-innocuous words could have awful consequences with the power of ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE FOREVER behind them (and most of what Lulu says isn't what you'd call innocuous anyway). But for it to happen at the single moment that you can definitively pinpoint as far, far more devastating than any other moment in his entire life, that stretches suspension of disbelief a little. I'm still willing to accept it, though, simply because the horrific results were so amazing.
First, I argue that it is not obvious at all that
accidents happen
as there is, again, no indication or instance of this happening at any other point in 50 episodes.
Rolo
abuses the HELL out of his power and it NEVER
misfires.
There's evidence to the contrary in that alone.

Second, it is far, far more reasonable to say that Lelouch planned it than to chalk it up to a contrived accident of subconscious desire. What evidence is there that Lelouch did not want this to happen? None. None at all. Lelouch flat out says he wanted to do it, and had planned it as early as
the hotel hijacking
, he even brought
a gun
and then he let's someone in high heels and a large dress out run him? When he could put on his mask and catch her? "Lelouch isn't very athletic, though!" HIGH HEELS. He'd have to be fucking Nunally levels of unathletic to fail to catch a woman running in high heels and regalia.

Lelouch had everything to gain from that moment, had had the idea to do this as early as
the hotel jacking
, had brought
a gun for this very purpose
and when it all goes down, he stands by and lets it happen, rather than use his super powers to stop it. He had every opportunity to prevent what happened, and every reason not to, and plenty of evidence to suggest he had intended for it to happen from the start.

Hell, when he does
the Zero Requiem
he's basically reusing the exact same idea.

Delusional would be to suggest that it was all a part of
Euphemia's master plan and that she faked the whole thing to force Suzaku and Lelouch to fight until Britannia collapsed because of it.
 
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Now, I know I'm a broken record here, but the complaint must stand for the following reason:

What happens at that one moment never happens again and has no build up prior. We see that overuse of Geass leads to permanent Geass in both eyes, sure, but there are literally no examples of Geass
accidentally triggering, except at this one point.
Which is why saying that Lelouch planned for it to happen makes a million times more sense than the "it was an accident!" explanation the show gives. And since Lelouch planned it, there really is no reason for anyone to stay #TeamLelouch after that episode.
I was on #TeamNobody after the big twist happened before going to #TeamOrange because Orange Boy was awesome.
I was so shocked and devastated that I honestly didn't care who won in the end. I actually wanted the fighting to just stop. A show that actualy makes you want the characters to stop fighting with their epic giant robots must deserve some kind of medal.
 
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Golden Time 06

While other protagonists
would accept being friend zoned and seeing the person they love all over their crush while they silently hope for their heart to change, motherfuckin' Tada Banri ain't takin no shit and straight up tells her that it's bullshit and that their friendship is over. Not only that he then confronts Barbara... err Linda and makes her out to be a villain too, effectively crushing her helpful senpai persona.
I get what you're saying, but what I also got from this episode, is that Tada Banri was, and is, a bit of a drama queen.
Sure, the way she told Kouko to talk to the hand initially was pretty good, but from the moment when he ran to the bathroom, he started looking a bit pathetic. Too scared to look Linda in the eye while laying the verbal beatdown, eh punk?

And then dat ending
We'll have to find out next week if Koko's confession was a desperate attempt to preserve the one friendship that gave a fuck about her or if she really did realize she loved him. The previews made it seem like she was all lovey-dovey but with Koko you never know if there's other reasons
Ya know what, because next episode's name is
"Masquerade"
, the pacing so far has been really fast, and there's something odd about the
opening sequence of the show
, I suspect it's the former.

From the first time I saw the opening, I was stunned by how forceful the show was about shoving Kouko and her adoration of Banri in our face. It feels like it's being deliberately deceptive. Their relationship in the coming episodes might not only be Kouko's way of keeping her only friend around, but also a way to make Mitsuo jealous. Looking forward to it regardless!
 
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That's because Mark Millar is a cuntbag, while Omori and Kurata are actually good decent people. :)
Hmmm. You could be right. but I did enjoy KickAss.

Dropped GD and picked up SF. Best decision I've made all season.
It is a wise decision.

JC Staff what are you doing? What are you doing?!?!
Whoa. what? Thats like REALLY bad.

Now, I know I'm a broken record here, but the complaint must stand for the following reason:

What happens at that one moment never happens again and has no build up prior. We see that overuse of Geass leads to permanent Geass in both eyes, sure, but there are literally no examples of Geass
accidentally triggering, except at this one point.
Which is why saying that Lelouch planned for it to happen makes a million times more sense than the "it was an accident!" explanation the show gives. And since Lelouch planned it, there really is no reason for anyone to stay #TeamLelouch after that episode.

But anyway

BLOOD C 6 OR THE GREATEST THING

HAHAHAHAHA. No, for reals, I hate all of you for spoiling Madoka 3, now, because it could've had the exact effect these last two episodes are having, largely because
a monster legit bites the little girl's head off.
But anyway, this show is swiftly becoming unironically awesome. All I really have for why it is on The List so far is :CLAMProportions and because of these AMAZING censorship bars.

Like seriously, a monster is on a rampage, chomping people in half, and just as it does, SHWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING GIANT WHITE BAR OF LIGHT OBSTRUCTING YOUR VISION. Made all the more hilarious because the monster
is made out of shadows
and also because it isn't subtle AT ALL. Stuff's messed with my head so much now I want to know if the show
show's you Nene's headless corpse
or if that was actually censored by the show, since it was with black bars.

SHWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING CENSORSHIP BAR SHWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
This is glorious. Onward, Raven!
 
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I was on #TeamNobody after the big twist happened before going to #TeamOrange because Orange Boy was awesome.
I was so shocked and devastated that I honestly didn't care who won in the end. I actually wanted the fighting to just stop. A show that actualy makes you want the characters to stop fighting with their epic giant robots must deserve some kind of medal.
I am nothing if not a fan of revenge. Seeing
Suzaku grind Lelouch's face into the gravel with his heel was the most satisfying moment in the entire show.
 
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Golden Time ep.6

I guess I should go back and rewatch the earlier episodes, since my initial dislike for Koko probably means I tuned out some of the more important plot developments with her and Banri's relationship.

Damn if I wasn't falling over laughing at the
short bit with the tea club, though. Best possible punishment for the way those two were being total bitches towards each other.
 
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The problem is that we see him playing along for the most part despite knowing his position. If he had done this sooner or had better incentive to have the reaction that he did, it might have worked better in the anime but it doesn't. Compare that to the scene afterwards when you see Banri just venting over a dilemna with Linda. It's much better as a whole because you know that he's been thinking about this for awhile and he's also just venting. It's a much more natural scene instead of the melodrama shit we get before and after.
Eh,
having been in a friendzoning situation myself, all I'll say is that there's never really a "trigger" for these sort of things, it's more just a random "I'm fed up with this and need to do something else" kind of thing.
Basically I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop since the previous episode, and this just so happened to be when.
 
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Attack on Coppelion - Boys Edition - 6

ahahaha, this show pulled a total 180. this new guy is amazing, DTL are you watching this?! why are there so many Haruto's this year?!! it's like everybody is named Haruto >.<



This was also an extremely cheap episode, just as soon as things are starting to get more action-y the budget runs out. Remember all those cool gifs from previous episodes?!! now it's all still shots after still shots. There was one 5 second scene with Haruto that had actual animation. Like 1/4 of the episode was just slow panning over the backgrounds :\
they still look good mind...




whatever the hell happened in the end though , lol
The color pallette in this is really REALLY bad.
 

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[Yamato 2199] is an impressive feat on a number of levels. I want to bring to light an area which hasn't been discussed to quite the level it deserves: the absolutely outstanding visual design. The quality of the world created by the artists working on the project is noteworthy and reminds of the passion and love found in the days of early Gainax productions like Wings of Honneamise where the staff went nuts and designed a whole new world. Rather than just focusing on the visual design, however, I just want to discuss one particularly area of the design: UI design.

The design of fictional UI's is truly only the kind of thing that a nerd but it's also one of the ways in which the show establishes and defines that universe it exists in. It gives the setting some subtle flavor. It's also the kind of thing that only a nerd would care about which is why the sheer variety and quality of UI's found within the show speak volumes about the kind of staff employed on the project.

It's also worth pointing out that they had a sci-fi writer working as a consultant as well as an astrophysicist. Looking at the staff list even brought to light a role that I never knew existed: "Display Design" and ANN states that Yamato had four people working in this role. So, what kind of work did they produce? Something like this to start with:



Although it soon got better and started to look more like this:



and these:













You get the picture. There's many more examples of sweet, futuristic art on display throughout, I just didn't feel like taking screen caps every time they turned off.
 
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That's extremely debatable, I thought it worked just fine. If you're trying to compare it to a novel where, as you said, everything is shown right on the page with graphic description then of course this'll be weird. Having not read the novel, I thought it was extremely realistic. Sometimes when you're stressed out you decide to stop playing games and give up. I've done this countless of times. He was testing the waters, and prior to this
Koko and Mitzuo hadn't had much screen time together. She told him she was done with him, then all of a sudden at the party she's again all over him. This probably sparked his insecurity, then as they're going back she keeps emphasizing how they are friends and that everything is fine and that they are super best friends. Him snapping was surprising only on the level that every other anime would have 5 episodes of the protagonist struggling with his inner beasts over what to do. Here he is dealing with all her bullshit and all she can think about is the childhood friend who openly tries to stay away from her.

I enjoyed the direction, it felt realistic. Humans are flawed. Clearly we don't agree in the direction and that's fine.
I disagree. It didn't feel realistic at all because there wasn't any sort of trigger.
We don't see any sort of establishment that Banri realized that he's a substitute for Mitsuo. While the show does establish that he doesn't want to be just friends with her, the extreme at which he rejects her is not founded well enough. It's not grounded enough with the information displayed and there's too much melodrama to say that it's anything remotely realistic.

Eh,
having been in a friendzoning situation myself, all I'll say is that there's never really a "trigger" for these sort of things, it's more just a random "I'm fed up with this and need to do something else" kind of thing.
Basically I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop since the previous episode, and this just so happened to be when.
I also have friends that have been in similar situations and there usually needs to be a talk or some event for them to snap out of it. Even then it's not like just one day you randomly decide that's enough. There's usually a series of events and you're also able to internalize/think about those events in your own mind. Instead we're just seeing someone react without any sort of inside into how they're perceiving these events.
 
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She already appeared in Episode 5 and I'm pretty sure she made a few other earlier appearances like when she captured Hakumen.

Nope.

Infact, the poor action can be summed up with the Jin gif.

http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2013/10/blazblue-alter-memory-ep-1-anime-seventhstyle-013.gif

And where the animation budget went towards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-yR6-BweMg
I would argue that they put it in the best of places.
Also LMFAO at this comment
This is where we discuss the Nu-Noel matchup for the anime. You'll note that the recovery time on the bolverks being summoned has greatly increased and must be done during battle, Meanwhile Nu's 5B wallrushes on counter hit.
Please don't suggest bad things to people until you've suggested good things.
This is what the people want though.

Are the dubs amazing?
Yes. Yes they are. Please watch them. Also laws of Eternity isn't the first but it's the first to watch.

U-tan is best girl and it isn't even a competition.
Don't know about that. She's a Christmas cake hence why she gets no game.
 
Dec 5, 2009
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure TV 16

Training episode, and the most motion-comic Battle Tendency has gotten, but still enjoyable thanks to the personalities of Joseph and Lisa Lisa. Probably my least favorite episode of the arc though.
 
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I disagree. It didn't feel realistic at all because there wasn't any sort of trigger.
We don't see any sort of establishment that Banri realized that he's a substitute for Mitsuo. While the show does establish that he doesn't want to be just friends with her, the extreme at which he rejects her is not founded well enough. It's not grounded enough with the information displayed and there's too much melodrama to say that it's anything remotely realistic.
I'll just point to jman's post on whether it's realistic or not.

Eh,
having been in a friendzoning situation myself, all I'll say is that there's never really a "trigger" for these sort of things, it's more just a random "I'm fed up with this and need to do something else" kind of thing.
Basically I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop since the previous episode, and this just so happened to be when.
I've been friendzoned before and nothing that he did I wouldn't have done if put in the similar situation and you're the "good guy". Again, this is all extremely subjective and arguments are just going to go in circles since there is no undeniable proof as to what constitutes realistic or not. This is from personal experience. Maybe you must've been there to get why I liked it.
 
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I'll just point to jman's post on whether it's realistic or not.

I've been friendzoned before and nothing that he did I wouldn't have done if put in the similar situation and you're the "good guy". Again, this is all extremely subjective and arguments are just going to go in circles since there is no undeniable proof as to what constitutes realistic or not. This is from personal experience. Maybe you must've been there to get why I liked it.
Even ignoring the realistic element, it's still a poor adaptation on the grounds that the events in the novels are better built up towards.
 
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Even ignoring the realistic element, it's still a poor adaptation on the grounds that the events in the novels are better built up towards.
This is probably true, as it was for Toradora. Nonetheless, I don't think the comparison is totally fair.
95% of the time the source material is preferred by those who have read the novels. I personally haven't read them and feel the pacing and situations have been fantastic. Whether ignorance is bliss or not, there's no denying I find it a fantastic show and the direction the anime is taking is really helping my enjoyment.
 
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This is probably true, as it was for Toradora. Nonetheless, I don't think the comparison is totally fair.
I think it's perfectly fair when they take elements out of the novels and don't do the groundwork necessary to justify those elements. Instead we just get the events on screen without any of the proper characterization. It's a clear case of them going for pacing instead of actually trying to focus on the mindset of the characters.
 
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Kill la Kill 6

Woooo more sexy sensei! Nudist beeeeeeeeeeeach!

Opponent this time was one hardcore dude.
Loses the fight to Ryuko, and then goes and gets his eyes sewn shut, getting rid of his strength that he had come to rely too much on. Anyway, this made him more awesome, and I actually thought he was going to defeat her, but then deus ex machina kicked in and she survives. For now. Interesting comment he made right at the end there. Probably a hint on how to defeat him; through shear sensory overload. My guess (hope) is that Ryuko and Mako will team up to yell really loud right into the dude's ears, which will weaken him and ulitmately be the key to defeating him.
But that's for another episode.
 
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Kill la Kill 6

I don't really know what else to say at this point. I've already shoveled a ton of praise onto the show and it hasn't disappointed me yet. The soundtrack is also coming into its own. Of course, I'd still be happy even if the entire OST consisted of variations of DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY. It's going to be this show's Happily Ever After apparently, only more prominent.
 
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VVV 17

Hahahaha, oh my gosh this show is so damn crazy and awesome and crazy awesome all at once. L-Elf is Lelouch on crack cocaine, which is saying something. Those last two seconds at the end of the episode had better be going exactly where I hope they're going. Ain't no stopping this crazy train, and I LIKE THAT.

"I do not have the luxury of entrusting unit one to cowards." NNNNNNG. Dude so cool.
 
Jun 24, 2012
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Samurai Flamenco - 05

Best episode on this Thursday, the writing are so good.. especially like the part where Masayoshi realize what he after not always as fun like he think. Also Mari is really crazy, that after ED scene lol
 
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First, I argue that it is not obvious at all that
accidents happen
as there is, again, no indication or instance of this happening at any other point in 50 episodes.
Rolo
abuses the HELL out of his power and it NEVER
misfires.
There's evidence to the contrary in that alone.
I can't see what you're trying to argue here. The show clearly established using Mao and stuff that Geass
eventually becomes permanently active regardless of the user's wishes
, and it doesn't sound like you're trying to deny that. But with that fact established, what scenario are you envisioning in which
accidents
wouldn't be a possibility, even a likelihood?

Since we've established that there's a period where the Geass is under the user's control, and then a period where the Geass is no longer under the user's control, there has to be a switchover point somewhere in between where the user loses that control. And when that switchover point arrives, the user isn't going to somehow automatically adjust to the sudden need to cover up his eyes if he wants to be able to talk to anyone without controlling their mind. Even if we were to assume that he automatically knows exactly what's happened at the instant the switchover happens, there's still a high likelihood of him slipping up one way or another while he's still not used to this new state.

I'm not sure why you're bringing
Rolo
into this, since we never see his Geass
reach the point where it's permanently active
, so his case isn't relevant. As for the reason that never happens despite him having arguably used his Geass more than Lelouch has, I would speculate that
it takes longer for his particular Geass to reach that point, as a kind of compensation for the fact that when it does, it would inevitably be fatal. His Geass stops his heart while it's active, after all.

Second, it is far, far more reasonable to say that Lelouch planned it than to chalk it up to a contrived accident of subconscious desire. What evidence is there that Lelouch did not want this to happen? None. None at all. Lelouch flat out says he wanted to do it, and had planned it as early as
the hotel hijacking
, he even brought
a gun
and then he let's someone in high heels and a large dress out run him? When he could put on his mask and catch her? "Lelouch isn't very athletic, though!" HIGH HEELS. He'd have to be fucking Nunally levels of unathletic to fail to catch a woman running in high heels and regalia.
The evidence that Lelouch did not want this to happen, if such evidence is even necessary, is the fact that
at no point during that period while he was completely alone with Euphemia did he act in any way as if this was what he wanted. If he had been planning it all along, there would first of all have been no reason for him to hold that whole conversation with her beforehand; he could have given the order the moment they made eye contact.

Even if we assume that he had that whole conversation just to obtain some kind of sick satisfaction from hearing Euphemia's last words before brainwashing her, there is no reason for him to act as horrified and shocked as he did after giving the order, or to panic and try to take the order back. At that point, he was entirely alone in that room; the only other person in there was Euphie herself and she wasn't in any state to comprehend his reaction. There would be no reason to put on such an act. Even if someone else had been observing him somehow, unless they knew about Geass, they wouldn't have been able to make any sense of his horrified reaction, so it would still have been pointless. The only reasonable explanation for his reaction is that it was genuine - or that he was fooling himself into thinking that it was genuine, in which case we come back to the "subconscious desire" possibility.

Oh, and one other piece of proof is the fact that
after that scene happens, his Geass is always permanently active. In other words, we can see just from looking at him that that moment was indeed the moment that his Geass stopped being under his control. I don't see how you can claim there's any indication in the series that Lulu was able to intentionally cause his Geass to become permanently active at that particular moment, and nor would he have any reason to; having a permanently active Geass causes nothing but problems for him, since it means he can never go out in public again. (Until they come up with the convenient contact lens solution in R2, that is...)

EDIT: Forgot to argue this point. The fact that he couldn't catch a woman in high heels can partially be blamed on the fact that he's an athletically hopeless idiot, sure, but more to the fact that
he was in shock from what had just happened, and so wasn't in any mental condition to chase after her. In fact, knowing better than anyone the absolute, irreversible nature of Geass commands, he probably didn't believe he would be able to stop her even if he did catch her. Sure, on a purely logical level, he would probably have been able to catch her, and perhaps - perhaps - restrain her, but he knows that a Geass victim will stop at nothing to carry out their command, and so short of killing her, anything he did would only be delaying the inevitable. And of course, killing the person he cared for more than almost anyone in the world isn't a decision even Lelouch could make instantaneously.

Lelouch had everything to gain from that moment, had had the idea to do this as early as
the hotel jacking
, had brought
a gun for this very purpose
and when it all goes down, he stands by and lets it happen, rather than use his super powers to stop it. He had every opportunity to prevent what happened, and every reason not to, and plenty of evidence to suggest he had intended for it to happen from the start.
Oh, I'm not denying that he had plenty to gain from it. It's even possible that this outcome is exactly what he had planned before he had that final discussion with Euphie (after all, I seem to recall he admits himself that he was only convinced to cooperate with her during the course of that final discussion). But I don't think it's in any way reasonable to assume that he intended to do what he did at the moment he did it.
 
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Patlabor TV 44


It's not so secret if you put up a plaque pointing it out, silly!
Ha ha ha, they found a great way to squeeze in a "wacky America" episode. And what a wacky America it was, complete with casual racism! (I laughed at the "Americanized" Patlabor team.) The staff must have enjoyed taking a break from the mundane world of Patlabor and playing around with a setting that's straight out of some 80s sci-fi OVA.
 

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First, I argue that it is not obvious at all that
accidents happen
as there is, again, no indication or instance of this happening at any other point in 50 episodes.
Rolo
abuses the HELL out of his power and it NEVER
misfires.
There's evidence to the contrary in that alone.
We don't know if Rolo actually used his powers more times than Lelouch ever did. Nor do we know that there would need to be a magical number of times which causes all Geass powers to
lose control
upon, say, 200 uses. After all...this is eye magic, not eye science. But it would be interesting if they ever decided, in a separate work, that such things were worth measuring or just addressing with a degree of scientific analysis. At least for trivia purposes if nothing else.

Regardless of this matter, it's definitely valid to call Lelouch the bad guy. Both the director and the voice actors have no issues calling him a villain and saying that his actions are especially evil when seen from Suzaku's point of view (thus, #TeamSuzaku). But they've also said all viewers don't necessarily choose to empathize with characters based on which of them stand for "justice" or for "evil" anyway. People can like bad guys (thus #TeamLelouch).

I am nothing if not a fan of revenge. Seeing
Suzaku grind Lelouch's face into the gravel with his heel was the most satisfying moment in the entire show.
Originally he was just going to kneel, but the director insisted on that part.

I was on #TeamNobody after the big twist happened before going to #TeamOrange because Orange Boy was awesome.
I was so shocked and devastated that I honestly didn't care who won in the end. I actually wanted the fighting to just stop. A show that actualy makes you want the characters to stop fighting with their epic giant robots must deserve some kind of medal.
Dude, if you're on #TeamOrange you should have enjoyed his last scene in the robot.

I'd also beg to differ about that conclusion. For me, the last robot fight was possibly the best one.
 
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VVV 17-

Great episode. I like how the ending doesn't spell out what happened but it's obvious that
Cain shot the green glowing tube, saving his friend, and probably got killed shortly after.
 
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I kind of like this as a narrator device. Though I'm still unsure if its better for the audience to know more than amnesiac Banri.
Eeugh, I honestly don't like it at all. Aside from just... being weird, it feels like lazy writing to me. "Oh, I need to get some exposition here? Magic memory ghost! Working exposition into the story in a naturalistic way is for losers!"
 
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Eeugh, I honestly don't like it at all. Aside from just... being weird, it feels like lazy writing to me. "Oh, I need to get some exposition here? Magic memory ghost! Working exposition into the story in a naturalistic way is for losers!"
I found the scene hilarious though. Simpin' in the old life and simpin' in the new one.
 
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I kind of like this as a narrator device. Though I'm still unsure if its better for the audience to know more than amnesiac Banri.
I thought it was good an episode or two before where Ghost Banri gave hints but never said anything explicitly. We knew that the girl meant something to him and we can only speculate what which made things interesting. This time its like "Yeah, heres what happened I dont feel like thinking anymore" and just random info dump.

It also would have been fine if Ghost Banri was there from the beginning of the story as a narrator but he just appeared one day, seems like for the sole purpose of info dumping when the author cant find a better way to let viewers know something.

Eeugh, I honestly don't like it at all. Aside from just... being weird, it feels like lazy writing to me. "Oh, I need to get some exposition here? Magic memory ghost! Working exposition into the story in a naturalistic way is for losers!"
Pretty much

I found the scene hilarious though. Simpin' in the old life and simpin' in the new one.
Lol seriously. The dude just
starts to cry like a bitch because his name wasnt on a shirt. So sensitive.
 
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I wish Sunrise would do a Code Geass spinoff where L-Elf gets the Geass instead. World would be conquered in a day.
A whole day is too much time. L-Elf gets that shit done before lunch.

I can't see what you're trying to argue here. The show clearly established using Mao and stuff that Geass
eventually becomes permanently active regardless of the user's wishes
, and it doesn't sound like you're trying to deny that. But with that fact established, what scenario are you envisioning in which
accidents
wouldn't be a possibility, even a likelihood?
I don't see a reason to acknowledge accidents as a possibility when the show itself does not. There is no evidence to support their existence. Mao never mentions any, and C2 never bothers to say that.
Rolo
never has any. Lelouch only has the one, and at such, as you yourself concede, a convenient point that there is literally no way that was "just an accident".

We only ever see the one, and its at that enormously unbelievable moment. That is why I question it. Especially since prior to that, we're told that Geass becomes permanent only through over use, which I'll refer to again in a moment.

Since we've established that there's a period where the Geass is under the user's control, and then a period where the Geass is no longer under the user's control, there has to be a switchover point somewhere in between where the user loses that control. And when that switchover point arrives, the user isn't going to somehow automatically adjust to the sudden need to cover up his eyes if he wants to be able to talk to anyone without controlling their mind. Even if we were to assume that he automatically knows exactly what's happened at the instant the switchover happens, there's still a high likelihood of him slipping up one way or another while he's still not used to this new state.
Mind control isn't the only power Geass grants, and covering the eye is only useful in Lelouch's particular case. Consider Mao: All his Geass does is let him hear people's thoughts. Covering his eyes would not and in fact does not help him at all. When we're introduced to Mao no mention is made of him accidentally being able to hear people's thoughts, he just can't stop himself from doing so. We're told that Geass use makes Geass permanently activated, which is significantly different from Geass activating at complete and utter random on its own. If I use my power and then it doesn't want to shut off, that's entirely different from if my power just turns on and doesn't want to turn off, and it is the former, not the latter, that we're lead to believe, especially because, and I will stress this ad nauseum, never, ever, ever do we see any accidental activation of Geass with any other character in the show, ever.

I'm not sure why you're bringing
Rolo
into this, since we never see his Geass
reach the point where it's permanently active
, so his case isn't relevant. As for the reason that never happens despite him having arguably used his Geass more than Lelouch has, I would speculate that
it takes longer for his particular Geass to reach that point, as a kind of compensation for the fact that when it does, it would inevitably be fatal. His Geass stops his heart while it's active, after all.
I mention him because it is the frequent usage of Geass, and not a period of usage which triggers permanent activation. And in his last episode, he abuses the hell out of his power. It doesn't take longer, it takes more usage.


The evidence that Lelouch did not want this to happen, if such evidence is even necessary, is the fact that
at no point during that period while he was completely alone with Euphemia did he act in any way as if this was what he wanted. If he had been planning it all along, there would first of all have been no reason for him to hold that whole conversation with her beforehand; he could have given the order the moment they made eye contact.
This is Lelouch. He doesn't just
kill Clovis the moment he meets him, he revels in it a bit first. Unlike L-Elf, Lelouch is NOT efficient. His plans are frequently stupid as all hell, and his penchant for theatrics and his own psychotic need for the dramatic bite him in the ass endlessly. This is the same guy who, rather than surgically removing Shirley's memories that he is Zero, forces her to forget he exists AT ALL. Despite the enormous problem this creates for him THE VERY NEXT DAY. Lelouch's decision not immediately order Euphemia to kill the Elevens is nothing more than him indulging in one last farewell with the woman he allegedly loved. Indeed, making it seem like he'd conceded defeat and then ordering her to do it would surely have been entertaining to the boy who would ultimately order HIS ENTIRE FAMILY to serve as his personal slaves. That's the kind of person Lelouch is. Screwing with her head a bit first proves his maliciousness, not kindness.

Even if we assume that he had that whole conversation just to obtain some kind of sick satisfaction from hearing Euphemia's last words before brainwashing her, there is no reason for him to act as horrified and shocked as he did after giving the order, or to panic and try to take the order back.
Sure there is: Lelouch had one very important audience member to entertain there, after all: himself. This is the man who lies to himself frequently for the sake of massaging his own ego, after all. I see no reason to believe feigning concern doesn't come into play here, too.

The only reasonable explanation for his reaction is that it was genuine - or that he was fooling himself into thinking that it was genuine, in which case we come back to the "subconscious desire" possibility.
Oh it was most definitely a subconscious desire. The subconscious desire to believe he
loved her enough to try and stop her. Which he didn't, because Lelouch doesn't love anyone.
Putting on an act for himself is part and parcel for Lelouch. It in no way disproves his conscious willingness to do what he did.

Oh, and one other piece of proof is the fact that
after that scene happens, his Geass is always permanently active. In other words, we can see just from looking at him that that moment was indeed the moment that his Geass stopped being under his control. I don't see how you can claim there's any indication in the series that Lulu was able to intentionally cause his Geass to become permanently active at that particular moment, and nor would he have any reason to; having a permanently active Geass causes nothing but problems for him, since it means he can never go out in public again. (Until they come up with the convenient contact lens solution in R2, that is...)
I don't see the need to argue that he intentionally makes his Geass permanent, because I argue that Geass becomes permanent after intentional use. There's no such thing as accidental Geass use, that's my point. It never happens at any point in the series, save this one excessively convenient moment. So this piece of evidence of yours bolsters my argument more than anything, really.

EDIT: Forgot to argue this point. The fact that he couldn't catch a woman in high heels can partially be blamed on the fact that he's an athletically hopeless idiot, sure, but more to the fact that
he was in shock from what had just happened, and so wasn't in any mental condition to chase after her. In fact, knowing better than anyone the absolute, irreversible nature of Geass commands, he probably didn't believe he would be able to stop her even if he did catch her. Sure, on a purely logical level, he would probably have been able to catch her, and perhaps - perhaps - restrain her, but he knows that a Geass victim will stop at nothing to carry out their command, and so short of killing her, anything he did would only be delaying the inevitable. And of course, killing the person he cared for more than almost anyone in the world isn't a decision even Lelouch could make instantaneously.
So in short he never even wanted to catch her. Because I don't believe for a minute that someone who regularly orders people to kill would suddenly be in shock over this. After everything else he's seen, now he loses his nerve? Not a chance. He let her go, and he let her go because he wanted to. Always had.



Oh, I'm not denying that he had plenty to gain from it. It's even possible that this outcome is exactly what he had planned before he had that final discussion with Euphie (after all, I seem to recall he admits himself that he was only convinced to cooperate with her during the course of that final discussion). But I don't think it's in any way reasonable to assume that he intended to do what he did at the moment he did it.
It is the only reasonable assumption. The timing of what happens is too perfect, and the accidental activation is too unsupported by every single thing we see in the entire show, and it aligned too perfectly with everything he had planned up to that moment. One or two coincidences I might believe, but when you get as many as were involved in that set-up, we call that a pattern, and behind a pattern is a plan, and the one who planned it was Lelouch.

It's too perfect to be anything other than his own plan.
 
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