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Fallout 4 game systems information thread
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Pocky4Th3Win
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How much loading is in the game?
MisterShine
Member
Skill points are gone? >.> Please tell me they've added something to not completely simplify the RPG mechanics even more. I've paid no attention to the game up til now.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Pretty much the game is all perks now and what perks you can get us dependent on your SPECIAL. There are perks that correspond to some of the old skills and there are still skill Bobbleheads, so they're not totally gone. The new system seems like it could be good though.
Bubba_Sparks
Member
The perk placement seems logical, and it looks like there are a ton of useful ones for each "class" of character you could build. I'm looking at building a Rouge, so a focus in Agility seems necessary. The Sneak perk seems very useful, and getting double/triple/quadruple XP for sleeping kills with Mister Sandman is awesome! You can use the other S.P.E.C.I.A.L.
stats to augment your main focus. So I could be a Rouge that focuses on range combat, or melee kills, etc.
Kinda tempted to go to CHA 7 for the Party Boy perks haha
Stallion Dan
Member
Skill points are gone completely, or gone as a benefit from INT?
Gone completely. You just get generic level up points that you then use to upgrade SPECIAL and perks, and to unlock new perks that are bound to your SPECIAL values.
Not much. For fast travel and entering some buildings. Most don't require. Loading times quick.
More_Badass
Member
Oh wow, seamless travel from outside to inside buildings in this?
Stallion Dan
Member
Wow that sounds really different.
More_Badass
Member
Do we know anything about stealth? Are there actual stealth kills in the game now like in Skyrim?
The new perks system is baffling. Does it work like this?
So, there are 10 perks under each SEPCIAL skill.
In order to unlock say, a tier 5 perk in Strength, I'd need to put 5 skill points in that skill line.
Then we have perk ranks, which would increase the effectiveness of the tier 5 perk?
And in order to unlock the tier 6 perk in Strength, I'd need to allocate another point into that skill line.
When I run out of base skill points and level up, I would have to chose whether I want to unlock the rank 2 level of the tier 6 perk, or allocate the point to unlock the tier 7 perk?
So, there are 10 perks under each SEPCIAL skill.
In order to unlock say, a tier 5 perk in Strength, I'd need to put 5 skill points in that skill line.
Then we have perk ranks, which would increase the effectiveness of the tier 5 perk?
And in order to unlock the tier 6 perk in Strength, I'd need to allocate another point into that skill line.
When I run out of base skill points and level up, I would have to chose whether I want to unlock the rank 2 level of the tier 6 perk, or allocate the point to unlock the tier 7 perk?
I don't quite understand your last question, but yes it's how new SPECIAL & Perks -system works.
Edit: To get Str 5 perk you need level up Str to 5 and then you pick up Str 5's perk without needing to invest into other perks.
Basically when I level up and gain a skill point. Do I have to chose whether I spend it on SEPCIAL or buy the next rank of perk.
You don't need to use skill points at all if you don't want to.
ChaoticPotion
Neo Member
Do we know if you need the Lockpick perk in order to even attempt picking locks? The perk chart on the wiki says that level 1 will only increase the chance of success by 20% but doesn't say it grants the ability to do it.
Solid Samus
Banned
I'm so glad that fucking Karma is gone because Bethesda doesn't know what to do with that shit anyways. I can't really stand Karma systems in modern games and anyway replacing it outright with faction oriented reputation systems is the way to go
The crosshair is dynamic now. It'll change depending on what you're pointing at and what you're doing.
The crosshair is dynamic now. It'll change depending on what you're pointing at and what you're doing.
Solid Samus
Banned
edit: dbl
Yeah, you can attempt lockpicking even without perk. Perk just makes you more efficient in it, and most likely is required for more higher level locks. In previous Fallout games every character, in theory, could do everything, but increasing skill by putting points into it made you more efficient in said skill.
Picking perk and upgrading perk is equivalent of putting skill points into e.g. lockpicking.
But Skyrim probably also had a lot more verticality. Either way, I care more about content than map size, but Skyrim map size sounds great.
Zombie James
Banned
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/3r3alz/new_screenshots_and_more/
Well this sounds like a huge step backwards :/
Well this sounds like a huge step backwards :/
Gun nut is being able to mod guns and ill bet good money there is no low int dumb dialogue in this game.
Do we know anything about how difficulty scales in this game? Because IMO the harder difficulties have been pretty bad in TES all the way through Skyrim (Although I remember Advanced being kind of okay). Enemies soaking up crazy amounts of damage is not my idea of a good time, but I'd like to try Fallout 4's Survival mode...
According Spanish "deepthroat" this is the case, yes.
The way I understand it is that when u start the game, u have 20ish points to allocate to S.P.E.C.I.A.L, with each starting at 1. So say u have 6 points into strength, then there are 6 perks u can have related to that stat, with each perk having different tiers.
After the beginning though, u get no more points to put into your S.P.E.C.I.A.L (except for maybe collecting bobble heads like fallout 3, but I don't think thats confirmed), so say halfway through the game u find that u really want the perk associated with 8 Strength, but only have 6 strength, then u have to make another character since u can only ever u grade the first 6 perks of strength.
Edit:some posts above me are implying that u can instead opt to use ur perk point as a skill point to upgrade one of ur S.P.E.C.I.A.L. stats, if so that alleviates a lot of stress cuz Ive been going crazy thinking about what my build would be.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
OFFICIAL Source: https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game.../2015/09/24/31
When you level up you get a point(s) and you use that point(s) to either:
A-Increase your Base SPECIAL stats (by taking the "Top Perk" in the Perk List)
B-Unlock and Obtain a New Perk that you're eligible to take
C-Rank Up a Perk you already have/unlocked (Do note that some Perk Ranks have Lv Requirements).
Weapon maintenance was a pointless waste of time in the regular game so I'm glad it's gone. Shame about no hardcore mode, although I'm sure mods or an official patch will bring it back soon after release.
Bartholomuse
Member
Interesting premise for a thread. Will watch eargerly.
Nice that means I can be super s.p.e.c.i.a.l
IIRC, only when entering/exiting big buildings.
Quadraphonic
Member
I played through FNV on Hardcore...
The lack of that kinda sucks. I really liked the additional pressure.
The lack of that kinda sucks. I really liked the additional pressure.
It is and it isn't. It looks different at the surface level but in execution it's functionally very similar and, to it's credit, is now something that does not require a 200 page manual and a 50 hour first play through to finally understand to the fullest.
At least I think.
Original SPECIAL + Skills + Perks system wasn't that complex, but made certain SPECIAL attributes dump stats while others were must have because of e.g. skill point gains / level up. Knowing that to dump and what to boost was key if player wanted "optimal experience". Now that new system has gotten rid of Skills and directly tied Perks to SPECIAL there isn't dump stats anymore, and game is now purely about "In what player wants to be more efficient". You increase those SPECIAL attributes that give you perks [enhancers] that you want while lower ones that don't give perks you want.
Then as you level up you can decide to increase those SPECIAL attributes that you originally left at low numbers.
I think some earliest leak mentioned that gunplay feels very good and meaty now. Talking with ID must have really helped out.
banefirelord
Banned
Asked in the "Gone Gold" thread, but I'll also stick this here for the future: any impressions out yet on how buggy it is?
yanipheonu
Member
THANK YOU!
I figured that's how it works, but that was my hang up on how I would initially roll a character: how do you increase you special stats?
Nothing in leak reports have mentioned bugs / glitches. Some FPS drops every now and then, but nothing major in that department either.
I was happy they ditched durability in Skyrim, but for some reason the idea of building a shotgun with a bunch of scrap and some gaffer tape, and having it be indestructible does sound a bit weird.
Starfield
Member
There is, I think in the spanish forum write-up. The guy was playing the game for a little over 23 hours and hasn't noticed any annoying or gamebreaking bugs outside of a few small hiccups.
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Answer to: Have you seen many bugs?
The "typical" bugs no, no. Yes it happened to me that I had to swallow 2 or 3 times the same dialog or dialog options that put simply "Show?" and it had nothing to do with what he said (which lacked a system that I like very little). Little thing more.
Thanks, this is exactly as I thought, sadly I couldn't explain myself properly and confused everyone with my questions.
banefirelord
Banned
Wow. That bodes pretty well.
Man, a bug-free Bethesda game with a horribly pared back dialogue system. Don't know how I feel about that trade.
This just sounds like a giant step backwards at the moment. The range of dialogue and options therein has always been the important part of Fallout for me. I don't care about the square miles and improved shooting, just give me the option to be someone other than Polite Hero or Jerk Villain.