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Fast company: Will Wii U Join The Gaming Graveyard?

Misterhbk said:
Because Sony and MS have never had negative threads on gaf right?

Lol
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Search of Neogaf for "nintendo" "sony" and "microsoft" and here are all of the negative threads on the first page of said searches.

Nintendo:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510832&highlight=nintendo (EA stating that Next Gen hasn't started, referring to Wii U)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510710&highlight=nintendo (Thread on negative Nintendo financial state)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510824&highlight=nintendo (this thread, is Nintendoomed?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510596&highlight=nintendo (Why was GCN doomed when it was full of Nintendo goodness!?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510806&highlight=nintendo (pachter on "Nintendoomed")

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510818&highlight=nintendo (Next gen doesn't start till Sony and Microsoft say so?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510835&highlight=nintendo (No Wii U third party support)

7 topics (note this doesn't include threads which are general "console" threads that often turn into fanboy bashing on all sides). It also doesn't take into account threads that only mention Wii U, so maybe even a few more.

Sony:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510851&highlight=sony (DD price doesn't make sense)

1, and that was a stretch since the thread title didn't include sony or PS3 directly. Note, searching for Sony came up with ADDITIONAL anti-nintendo threads

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510653&highlight=sony (What does Nintendo need to announce at e3 to compete?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510536&highlight=sony (Eurogamer, Wii U struggles)

Microsoft:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510524&highlight=microsoft (Surface 128GB only has 83GB free space)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489163&highlight=microsoft (cross shopping between RT/Win8/surface is confusing)

2, but I had to STREEEETCH to pick these since NEITHER had even remotely to do with consoles.


By all means, feel free to repeat this "experiment". Note, I do understand this isn't exactly "fair" since Wii U is the only new next gen currently out, and therefore there will be a bias towards recent posts... but it still paints a pretty stark and negative picture that Gaf (at least recently) has for Nintendo over Sony and Microsoft.
 
Wynnebeck said:
Maybe because a majority of the complaining about the article are Nintendo fans? I didn't know being a fan of Nintendo was bad.
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I didn't say being a fan is bad, but I was only calling out your generalization. You don't need to be a fan to disagree/agree with something.

Now the question I asked you, did you even read the article? It seems like you haven't and are just posting about people's reactions of it in the thread. People's "voices/reactions" are louder on the internet than in real life.

sd28821 said:
do your self a favour don't use sweeping generalizations its why people are calling you out if your going to say some thing name names and stick by it
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Exactly what this guy said.
 
KojiKnight said:
Search of Neogaf for "nintendo" "sony" and "microsoft" and here are all of the negative threads on the first page of said searches.

Nintendo:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510832&highlight=nintendo (EA stating that Next Gen hasn't started, referring to Wii U)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510710&highlight=nintendo (Thread on negative Nintendo financial state)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510824&highlight=nintendo (this thread, is Nintendoomed?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510596&highlight=nintendo (Why was GCN doomed when it was full of Nintendo goodness!?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510806&highlight=nintendo (pachter on "Nintendoomed")

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510818&highlight=nintendo (Next gen doesn't start till Sony and Microsoft say so?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510835&highlight=nintendo (No Wii U third party support)

7 topics (note this doesn't include threads which are general "console" threads that often turn into fanboy bashing on all sides). It also doesn't take into account threads that only mention Wii U, so maybe even a few more.

Sony:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510851&highlight=sony (DD price doesn't make sense)

1, and that was a stretch since the thread title didn't include sony or PS3 directly. Note, searching for Sony came up with ADDITIONAL anti-nintendo threads

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510653&highlight=sony (What does Nintendo need to announce at e3 to compete?)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510536&highlight=sony (Eurogamer, Wii U struggles)

Microsoft:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510524&highlight=microsoft (Surface 128GB only has 83GB free space)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489163&highlight=microsoft (cross shopping between RT/Win8/surface is confusing)

2, but I had to STREEEETCH to pick these since NEITHER had even remotely to do with consoles.


By all means, feel free to repeat this "experiment". Note, I do understand this isn't exactly "fair" since Wii U is the only new next gen currently out, and therefore there will be a bias towards recent posts... but it still paints a pretty stark and negative picture that Gaf (at least recently) has for Nintendo over Sony and Microsoft.
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You didn't include Vita in your search obviously. But still yea, thats going to be a bit lopsided with all the Wii-U news over the last couple days.
 
KojiKnight said:
By all means, feel free to repeat this "experiment". Note, I do understand this isn't exactly "fair" since Wii U is the only new next gen currently out, and therefore there will be a bias towards recent posts... but it still paints a pretty stark and negative picture that Gaf (at least recently) has for Nintendo over Sony and Microsoft.
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You do realize you are crossing over into "tinfoil hat" territory now right? There is no bias for Nintendo over other companies.
 
I don't foresee much higher than Gamecube-type of success, maybe 30 mil. It's going to be a flop for Nintendo, especially coming off the Wii. Major flop.
 
Mlatador said:
Unfortunately that's not how the gaming journalism nor GAF works.

I didn't expect much from the first, but one has to be disappointed about GAF. I actually thought this was a place with highly knowledgable resonable people about all things gaming, that don't jump to conclusions easily and actually base their console opinions on the last 25 years of console gaming and the lessons/information we have learned.

But no: Either it seems the population of this forum consists mostly of PC, PS3/Xbox fanboys, so that a healthy degree of objetivism is hardly possible, or people have become so obsessed with "gaming news" on a daily basis that they kind of lost their ablity to think mid - to long term.

I hope that will change, though, once more games come out, so that people can talk about what actually should matter to any true gamer: games.

All this doom and gloom and hardware-focused discussion on this site has become so annoying, it's hardly bearable.
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I made a thread comparing the 1st 2 months sales of the Wii U, PS2, 360, and PS3 showing that the Wii U is following the same track as most console launches. The thread eventually became full of people saying the sales numbers don't matter because who knew what the PS3 and 360 would have sold if they were in stock, or no one wants the system because of the graphics, or because Nintendo didn't have a supply issue it means no one wants the console, etc.

GAF really is not different than any gaming site. Full of fanboys.
 
bdizzle said:
I made a thread comparing the 1st 2 months sales of the Wii U, PS2, 360, and PS3 showing that the Wii U is following the same track as most console launches. The thread eventually became full of people saying the sales numbers don't matter because who knew what the PS3 and 360 would have sold if they were in stock, or no one wants the system because of the graphics, or because Nintendo didn't have a supply issue it means no one wants the console, etc.

GAF really is not different than any gaming site. Full of fanboys.
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Many real gamerz think the company is going to ruin their hobby.
 
?oe?oe said:
I'm talking about your attitude, bud.
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My "attitude" is that of a person who doesn't let articles and people on a forum control my emotions. When I bought my 3DS day one, I had to go through articles saying it was doomed. When I bought my Vita, I had and still have to go through articles and threads saying Vita is dead. I'm not going to get mad or upset because in the end, I control where my money goes and what enjoyment I get from my purchases. If that's getting "riled up" as you put it, then I guess I'm guilty.
 
Wynnebeck said:
You do realize you are crossing over into "tinfoil hat" territory now right? There is no bias for Nintendo over other companies.
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nintendo just spent the last 5-6 years with a focus away from hardcore gamers. neogaf is a gaming forum, the majority of people visiting this site would probably consider themselves hardcore gamers. it's tinfoil territory to assume there wouldn't be a bias. it is just really annoying in the way it manifests.

vagabondarts said:
They would write articles about Vita being doomed too but noone would read them
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lol
 
Wynnebeck said:
You do realize you are crossing over into "tinfoil hat" territory now right? There is no bias for Nintendo over other companies.
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That's not tinfoil hat... it's easily repeatable and very to the point. Recently at the very least there have been a LOT more Nintendo downer threads than Sony or Microsoft.
 
KojiKnight said:
That's not tinfoil hat... it's easily repeatable and very to the point. Recently at the very least there have been a LOT more Nintendo downer threads than Sony or Microsoft.
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Well of course Nintendo is going to get a little bit more guff then usual. They just came off of one of the highest selling consoles of all time and started the next gen with Wii U. All eyes are on Nintendo right now and you better believe any misstep will be shown and discussed. Just wait until E3. If Sony or MS do anything stupid, we'll have 101 threads about them as well. I would just chill out and not let it affect you so much.
 
Wynnebeck said:
Well of course Nintendo is going to get a little bit more guff then usual. They just came off of one of the highest selling consoles of all time and started the next gen with Wii U. All eyes are on Nintendo right now and you better believe any misstep will be shown and discussed. Just wait until E3. If Sony or MS do anything stupid, we'll have 101 threads about them as well. I would just chill out and not let it affect you so much.
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Along with an equal amount or more for Nintendo ;)
 
Wynnebeck said:
My "attitude" is that of a person who doesn't let articles and people on a forum control my emotions. When I bought my 3DS day one, I had to go through articles saying it was doomed. When I bought my Vita, I had and still have to go through articles and threads saying Vita is dead. I'm not going to get mad or upset because in the end, I control where my money goes and what enjoyment I get from my purchases. If that's getting "riled up" as you put it, then I guess I'm guilty.
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You may not be riled up, but that original post sure looks like it, which is why you are getting heckled.
 
KojiKnight said:
That's not tinfoil hat... it's easily repeatable and very to the point. Recently at the very least there have been a LOT more Nintendo downer threads than Sony or Microsoft.
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You already answered it for yourself in the previous post- the reason there's so much doom for Nintendo and none/little for Sony and MS is because Nintendo is doing relatively poorly while Sony and MS are doing acceptable. It's not because people only want to focus on the negatives for one console maker and just positives for another.

Fanboys are so sensitive.
 
cakefoo said:
You already answered it for yourself in the previous post- the reason there's so much doom for Nintendo and none/little for Sony and MS is because Nintendo is doing relatively poorly while Sony and MS are doing acceptable. It's not because people only want to focus on the negatives for one console maker and just positives for another.

Fanboys are so sensitive.
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stop with the fan boy crap its just as pathetic if not more so
 
People saying it'll be fine are just as likely to be right as those who think it won't. It is selling horribly currently even with the channel stuffing. In Japan it is selling worse than the PS3 a console that a few years ago was ridiculed for its slow start and price.

Arguing from history with previous Nintendo consoles is nonsensical. Yes it can be turned around but not because the Nintendo 64 was moderately successful. The market is incredibly different now.
 
the state of Nintendo currently is indeed sad. Wii U had a pathetic launch and the "tablet" controller is a weak gimmick. Nintendo is sitting on mountains of cash so I don't think they're going anywhere, but Wii U may indeed have a short lifespan just because, at least so far, it sucks.

now I don't mean to be piling on Nintendo exclusively; Sony or MS could launch a console like Wii U and I would be among the first to pour on the trash talk about it. for example I find the rumored specs for Xbox3 and PS4, at a time in history when high-tech gadgets are so ubiquitous, to be pathetically weak. a problem that ironically they share with Wii U.
 
cakefoo said:
You already answered it for yourself in the previous post- the reason there's so much doom for Nintendo and none/little for Sony and MS is because Nintendo is doing relatively poorly while Sony and MS are doing acceptable. It's not because people only want to focus on the negatives for one console maker and just positives for another.

Fanboys are so sensitive.
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You might not have noticed but nintendo was doomed when they were raking in the cash with the Wii and Ds, and their competitors were bleeding money.

It was insane to watch.
 
Dragon said:
People saying it'll be fine are just as likely to be right as those who think it won't. It is selling horribly currently even with the channel stuffing. In Japan it is selling worse than the PS3 a console that a few years ago was ridiculed for its slow start and price.

Arguing from history with previous Nintendo consoles is nonsensical. Yes it can be turned around but not because the Nintendo 64 was moderately successful. The market is incredibly different now.
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Software drives hardware, and that's really all there is to it. The Wii U has a currently anemic library, so there's no reason to buy it. A whole lot isn't coming soon, so there isn't a reason to buy it soon. They should have padded software more meaningfully throughout the year, but it's largely a waiting game to see if the floodgates opened.

There are games I want to play on it, so I'll get it eventually. But there is not a very deep reason for people on GAF to flock on over to this new platform, and if there isn't one for the faithful, how about the casual audience? Most of the lineup seem to be core titles, so there's not much for the casual market either..

I don't see it "failing". A genuine failure of a platform is something that not only underperforms, but has zero games worth buying it for. The Wii U does have games worth buying it for. None of them are out though, and that's the thing.
 
January NPD is going to be pretty interesting. People seem to be prepping to downplay anything over 100k as "Pretty Good" here. Anything below 200k would be a disaster.
 
Kaijima said:
I would add this though: GAF, and by extension, the gaming internet, shit on everything equally. The way in which they shit on each given thing isn't necessarily the same, though.

In Nintendo's case, it's perpetual doom and nothing but how perpetually uncool Nintendo is for not "growing up" and making "real games" - aka, games that appeal to an ever-churning demographic of 20-30 year old males. Nintendo is trolled for always being out of step with what a certain demographic sees as "real gaming", and it has always been this way including back to the days of the NES. Nintendo fans who were children when they had their Nintendo console of choice simply didn't realize it.

In that sense, it can get old, because much of the time the brand of disdain directed at Nintendo characterizes them as shit because they don't make games explicitly for a single audience that isn't really their primary audience (and never has been). So people get frustrated - asking a legitimate question: why does every company have to be the same, make the same games, aimed at the same people. One might even say some act entitled, to use that dirty word.

It becomes difficult at times, to separate legitimate criticism of Nintendo from the usual knee-jerk Nintendo-sucks-because-X memes and bandwagon jumping commentary. Having said that, it is true of any entity that has hate directed at it. Yes, Sony gets hate, Microsoft gets hate, Capcom, etc.

Technically, there is anti-bias from plenty of people - enough of it so that every company and every product has someone who shits on it for irrational reasons. And enough so that anyone who says "but I like X" gets called a blind fanboy by plenty of people.
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I can see what you are saying but its kind of an empty point, of course that every company is not going to get "shit on" the exact same way as the others. That is ridiculous. For that every company would have to be significantly similar.

That was not the point I was making, what I was saying was simply that every company gets made fun of on GAF. There's only so much attention for the Wii U on GAF because it came out recently and gaming sites are of course covering what is happening about it.

Mlatador said:
Well, here is the difference. For example, prior to shitting about the Vita, so many people were certain it would be a huge success and beat the 3DS. Based on what? They saw the unveil and sony flashing out their hardware dick and many were starring at it like they had never seen something like that before: "My god... so powerful...". Hence, they were convinced Vita = huge success.
Was it right? No, WRONG!
(minority= the ones that voiced their concern about sony competing with their own ps3 audience and failing to make it attractive to those and core/graphic enthusiasts alike)

3DS is doomed? Was it right? No, WRONG!

Wii doomed? Was it right? No, WRONG!

PS3/360 becoming the best selling consoles? No, WRONG!

I mean, if you take the entirety of GAF and how many times they were right based on objetive, well-thought out predictions and analysis, it's pretty embarrasing. I don't want to shit on anyone, but hold you act together people!

If you want to keep this site a quality place for gamers, and not a shithole of fanboyism, just at least try to think twice before you post.
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I don't really see what this has to do with my bias comment. This is just analysis gone wrong. I can sort of see why'd you respond with it given what you posted in the comment I quoted. But it wasn't really what I was addressing in my post.

Darryl said:
i don't agree with you here. i came into this forum (a year ago now? 2?) with a completely blank slate - absolutely zero bias - and just from visiting this forum and allowing myself to be excited for the Wii U i've actually found myself polarized into being a nintendo fanboy.
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Oh well that's why I said the short time I was on GAF. But the negativity towards the Wii U is to be expected right now, there are a lot of factors that people are not happy about. Right now it doesn't seem to be more substantially powerful than the PS360, There aren't a lot of exclusive games for the system (To be expecpted from a launch though), Accounts are tied to the hardware, pricing is high in most areas.

I understand if you are annoyed by the constant "doom" chants, I honestly am not bothered by it.

Drago said:
was this intentional
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;)
 
big_z said:
I love the "its only been out two weeks", "theres no advertising", "what about Walmart" excuses.
Fact is this e3 the wiiU will be entering its third(yes that's right) year of public existence. Nintendo has had plenty of time to build/buy third party support and create an image for the system so that everyone would know what It is. Instead they have failed completely and squandered the year head start. Is the system doomed? Possibly. Nintendo could still save it but the challenge is going to be a lot more extreme going forward especially with next gen consoles looming.

E3 is going to be very telling. If they still dont have an idea what they want the wiiu to be and rely mainly on their franchises and tossing Mario into everything I would be very worried.
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Even if Nintendo 'GameCube' this gen with low sales, so long as they are profitable they will think it was reasonably succussful for the most part. Understandable for a business but not for me as a consumer of their devices.
 
GhaleonQ said:
I thought the rote, boilerplate article was going to be the weirdest thing about this topic, but here we are. I mean, minimum, people have been to bookstores or airports, no?
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I go to bookstores, but I look at books
and DVDs
. I don't look at... um... what is Fast Company? a magazine or something?
 
if wiiU wasn't on its way to the gaming graveyard... would iwata promise/imple he will step down? with no price drops available; D+O on the horizon... can Nintendo save the wiiU? actually, now I think FC+Pachter might be onto something about the wiiU
 
Pachterballs said:
if wiiU wasn't on its way to the gaming graveyard... would iwata promise/imple he will step down? with no price drops available; D+O on the horizon... can Nintendo save the wiiU? actually, now I think FC+Pachter might be onto something about the wiiU
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Give it a rest please.
 
Pachterballs said:
if wiiU wasn't on its way to the gaming graveyard... would iwata promise/imple he will step down? with no price drops available; D+O on the horizon... can Nintendo save the wiiU? actually, now I think FC+Pachter might be onto something about the wiiU
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Nintendo hoped to pull the same miracles like with the Wii. Can't blaim them for that.
However, they should have been aware of the fact that touch-gaming was well established at the time the WiiU was released. Bad timing.
 
DS and Wii were extreme get out of jail free cards driven by extraordinary insight combined with extraordinary circumstances.

The insight is very lazy in both 3DS (3D is coming!!) and Wii U (tablets are big!!) and the market circumstances are very adverse.

it would be incredible if Nintendo wouldn't fail, three get out of the jail cards on a row would be like a triple lottery win
 
saichi said:
Wii U will join the gaming graveyard but VITA is not? Makes sense...
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if any thing I would say that the Vita is more doomed than Wii U. but barring some major changes they are both doomed, ranking who is more doomed is a little pointless. and yes I realize that is what I just did in the first sentence :P
 
Mlatador said:
Unfortunately that's not how the gaming journalism nor GAF works.

I didn't expect much from the first, but one has to be disappointed about GAF. I actually thought this was a place with highly knowledgable resonable people about all things gaming, that don't jump to conclusions easily and actually base their console opinions on the last 25 years of console gaming and the lessons/information we have learned.

But no: Either it seems the population of this forum consists mostly of PC, PS3/Xbox fanboys, so that a healthy degree of objetivism is hardly possible, or people have become so obsessed with "gaming news" on a daily basis that they kind of lost their ablity to think mid - to long term.

I hope that will change, though, once more games come out, so that people can talk about what actually should matter to any true gamer: games.

All this doom and gloom and hardware-focused discussion on this site has become so annoying, it's hardly bearable.
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You have to remember that over the last few years this forum has seen a huge influx of people from various other forums. Places like gamefaqs, gamespot and the like. Unfortunately some of them have have bought over the posting style that they are used to in those places as well. It's more an us vs them dialogue than a discussion based on the situation at hand.
 
AzaK said:
Even if Nintendo 'GameCube' this gen with low sales, so long as they are profitable they will think it was reasonably succussful for the most part.
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They had a profit during the GameCube era because both GameCube and GBA were sold at a profit, and Nintendo had a monopoly on portable games at the time. Now both the WiiU and 3DS are being sold at a loss, and the portable space is being taken over by phones and tablets now. Ninendo's fucked.
 
another classic GAF thread, brought to you with the kind've quality you've come to expect from Pachterballs™

seriously, sony fans: the hype train is coming soon! you don't need to embarass yourselves like this
 
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