It's still an OS. Even if it's faster than the Microsoft OS, it's an OS. Unless you use these systems for browsing the web or some other nonsense, the amount of interaction with the OS where speed is critical or necessary is rather minimal.
That's a lot of memory for the OS, and I still don't see it running as fluid and smoothly as what ms will have on x1, considering MS is a software company.
What multimedia functionalities are you talking about here? And how much RAM is reserved for that?
You can't say that. If the original split was 3/1 and now its 5/3 , then it helped gaming as much or more than other functionality.
No.
5GB GDDR5 + 512mb Swap space vs 5GB DDR3 + 32MB Esram.
Bare in mind, as I discussed earlier, PS4's ram can access nearly 3x more memory per frame compared to the XO's DDR3, irrespective of OS memory reserve.
A huge chunk of that 3.5GB is reserved for "future" use. The whole partychat debacle on the PS3 has clearly freaked Sony out and they rather be on the safer side. I wouldn't be surprised if only half of that number would be used for OS purposes right now.
Pretty much everything actually but since that is a mobile OS I think they'll have to rework a few things on there for it to work on a home console.
MS's trojan horse is the games. They're hoping the fact that Xbox has console games would push people to buy a more expensive box.
It would be utterly hilarious if Apple & Google release an inexpensive TV-box, and people buy them up because of price.
It's this a serious post? Is this the line of thinking that people are using to discredit Sony?
Party chat was done with less ram on xbox. Why do people keep using it as an example?
It's still a games console.
And no one ever said that 8GB would be primarily used for games.
They expected more resources to be utilised for games and now that ain't happening.Would you mind being more concrete? How does it negatively affect them?
Oh OK.
I included multitasking in that as well.you are aware that the PS4 OS, in it's entirety is only using 1.5 gigs of ram right.
OK then.No.
5GB GDDR5 + 512mb Swap space vs 5GB DDR3 + 32MB Esram.
Bare in mind, as I discussed earlier, PS4's ram can access nearly 3x more memory per frame compared to the XO's DDR3, irrespective of OS memory reserve.
i noticed that after being confronted by bish yesterday, filopilo is still around...
choice quotes:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=72993941&postcount=1466
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73003591&postcount=1920
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73006491&postcount=2061
hmm!
What the hell is this shit?
Maybe I don't care if these consoles are super powered?
I've said repeatedly id be happy with todays visuals cleaned up a bit.
Requires more memory for multitasking.And how is the PS4 OS different from the Vita atm?
Something running fluid and smoothly depends on the hardware of the product. What MS is gonna do better is the OS design, like they did his gen.
Yes but reserving more ram for the OS and being able to hold things in memory (such as the 15 minute video) would free up the HDD making games perform better.
Then again id take the more ram for games but still.
Sony is not beholden to give those answers to NeoGAF, or DF, or IGN. They are Beholden to give those numbers to those making games for the consoles, thos people are happy, so all of this means Jack, and Shit (and Jack left town).
Continue with the carnival of stupid, and justifing every negative comment.that devs have ever laid at the feet of "Gamers".
THE BIG SATURDAY BET :
I'm ready to bet that Sony's OS will be faster than X1's OS
Who wants to challenge ?
But didn't Sony make a statement on the flex memory? They could've easily dismissed the numbers if they weren't correct.This needs to be more prominently displayed.
He's obviously passed bish's checks.
I notice enough of your posts to not dig through nor will I do so now.
I still want you to account for the idiocy that Thuway reacted to, to begin with. What if I was a dev and was telling you that all this is nothing but still had people ignoring my staments? You have a lot of that here and we've had several insiders as well as devs chime in.
Let me say that the hate or cynicism about Xbone has been warranted ever since the whole DRM thing came to be. It's been a swell of bad news that MSFT has been trying to patch up but let's not act like the whole reveal with DRM gate, pricing, and arrogant remarks were not the main reason to take MSFT to court.
I could have been a lot harder than that but I simply don't agree with being a whistle blower when there are bigger shots being fired than Thuway trying to make sense of a lot of stupid posts.
I can bring some names in but let me just say that you are not the worse offender of this. You just have to notice the terrible posts, then those reacting to the terrible posts, then the ones who come in and criticize the ones reacting to terrible posts instead of calling the idiots who make ridiculous statements out in the first place.
To make one more thing clear, I have no side as much as being on the side of rational though and not jumping the gun. I have only so much information which really makes me scoff at the reaction to this news on memory allocations. I take heavy issue with drive by trolling or those who are unwilling to partake in rational and concise posts which use their brain cells in a more constructive manner.
I hope all that makes sense.
I get your point but the sentiment a lot of people had when Sony announced the PS4 was that the console was a true "gamers console dedicated to gaming with games full of amazing gaming specs on the One true gamer's console"...
Compared to the X1 with it's "bloated OS" and focus on multimedia/TV the PS4 really looked like a true gamers focussed console. Now, as you can see, some people feel that's it's no longuer the case.
That is some good math and would be accurate on the Xbox One specs except you forgot the other part of the equation, the ESRAM. Here, read this:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-memory-better-in-production-hardware
Party chat was done with less ram on xbox. Why do people keep using it as an example?
This needs to be more prominently displayed.
He's obviously passed bish's checks.
To be absolutely honest I don't see why the OS needs so much RAM, at least Xbone has the excuse of Kinect and three OSs at the same time.
Still this isn't a problem for me, as long as they don't downgrade the RAM.
I included multitasking in that as well.
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That's the thing that I find surprising. It has neither kinect 2 or cable tele related media functionality. Game recording (gaming & multimedia) for 15 minutes is one and remote play are two feature unique to PS4. That's why I am confused as to why 3GB is blocked off. Thuway keeps on stating that it's because the OS is still incomplete and as such, I'm talking about the perception at the present time, not some time down the line when things can change.
Yep, found it. http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1763732#post1763732
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1762546&postcount=4537
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1762254#post1762254
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1762262&postcount=4429
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1761864&postcount=4349
lol this guy is Richard and eastman's best bud and cites Rangers of all people too.
If Digital Foundry is taking the word of the same person who said that a 12GB is possible for the XB1 because the dev kits have them, then I really don't know what to say. It baffles me even more that people ignore this little fact, but whatever.
I think I'm gonna quit this kind of thread for some time. It has turned from funny to ridiculous to just plain sad, seeing all the people thinking they know more than developers, or cancelling stuff for stupid stuff and then thinking of posting it on a forum.
look I understand why you said it, but the PS4 is leagues more powerful than the PS3
saying it's a minor spec bump is a bit disingenuous
Maybe we were just wrong in calling the Xbone bloated.Compared to the X1 with it's "bloated OS" and focus on multimedia/TV the PS4 really looked like a true gamers focussed console. Now, as you can see, some people feel that's it's no longuer the case.
My understanding is that it's stuff like the videorecording that is causing the OS to take up a chunk and I would rather the number be reduced or eliminated if it's eating up that much ram.
This needs to be more prominently displayed.
He's obviously passed bish's checks.
What? When did I say the PS4 is a minor spec bump?
I said that LAST YEAR, before we knew anything about these consoles, I would have been happy if they were a minor spec bump.
Oh, so Sony has the same amount of RAM allocated for games as the Xbox One does, only Sony's RAM is faster? In other words, exactly where we were when we knew Xbox One had 8GB of DDR3 and PS4 had 8GB of GDDR5. PS4 has always had the advantage there and it still does. The PS4 has the same amount of memory but it's faster. This is essentially a non story that has blown out of proportion.
What gets me is all these people crying that "What the hell Sony, I guess it never was 8GB. You lied to us." Um, no you idiots. The system has 8GB of RAM. When developers asked for the system to have 8GB of RAM, this is exactly what they meant. It's not like developers are going, "What the hell? We don't have 8GB of RAM anymore?" They didn't think they were getting a full 8GB of RAM to utilize with their games, because the developers aren't morons and they know how hardware and OS's work.
That's the thing that I find surprising. It has neither kinect 2 or cable tele related media functionality. Game recording (gaming & multimedia) for 15 minutes is one and remote play are two feature unique to PS4. That's why I am confused as to why 3GB is blocked off. Thuway keeps on stating that it's because the OS is still incomplete and as such, I'm talking about the perception at the present time, not some time down the line when things can change.
Also, as I keep on saying it's all about perception at this point. Hard facts don't exist from Sony in terms of numbers because while the current news depicts a certain value, it is still far from launch.
Negatively.
Currently it seems to be 4.5GB GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3+eSRAM.
Still 3GB seems like quite a big chunk of the total which will be (probably) used for non gaming functions.uhhh that includes multitasking, part of the "entire" of the OS future proofing means shit that think they might need later, later as in later in the generation
This needs to be more prominently displayed.
He's obviously passed bish's checks.
They expected more resources to be utilised for games and now that ain't happening.