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Fez glitched-patch goes back online, will not be fixed due to re-cert fees
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Diprosalic
Banned
microsoft: pay me and i will publish your game and market it for you, thousands of people will buy it but you can't release it on any other platform, deal?
whoever: ok
not that hard to understand.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Just bring it to PC and be done with it.
toythatkills
Member
Yeah, no.
...........so they paid them. Just not with $
Glad I didnt bother with it.
Seems like a stupid stance to take after trashing someone elses games for being "shit".
Its sad too, the game seems ok, but I cant support that kind of nonsense, and I wouldnt want too now. 1% is enough for Murphy's Law to kick in and I guarantee it would happen to me. Stupid murphy's law.
Seems like a stupid stance to take after trashing someone elses games for being "shit".
Its sad too, the game seems ok, but I cant support that kind of nonsense, and I wouldnt want too now. 1% is enough for Murphy's Law to kick in and I guarantee it would happen to me. Stupid murphy's law.
Doubt it. Maybe as a Windows 8 release, but that Live exclusivity is pretty iron-clad.
What's Japanese for "comfy couch"?
Seems that a few developers have been having issues with the same policies at Microsoft. Tim Schafer had a lot of praise for Steam when it came to constant updates, it would have cost them 40k just to patch Brutal Legend. Whether you liked Fez or not, this kind of money for patches seems to be a pretty big problem for smaller companies.
mugurumakensei
Member
Purely an MS thing...
Diprosalic
Banned
he thought he could get more money on xbla, nothing wrong with that but if you deliver crap better pay up to fix it. you knew the deal.
Confidence Man
Member
Why would anyone put their game exclusively on XBLA?
Same here. Bought the game within the first day or two, had horrible tech issues and it straight up crashed on me 3 times. Waited for a patch, the day it came out I heard it was broken, was still waiting (actually checked yesterday to see if there was any new news on it) and now this. While the MS cert fees suck, PART of the reason they are there are to ensure that developers don't just shit stuff out that may have issues or be broken, which is what happened here. It's a shitty situation, but one that these guys solely put themselves in, and now consumers are paying the price. I'm just straight taking this one off the backlog, and not supporting them in the future, don't give a fuck.
I'm actually tempted to contact MS and bitch and try to get a refund; I have a friend who has successfully done so on a few occasions (Mr. Driller Online being broken, and I know he's done it at least once more recently with success, but I can't remember the game).
Yeah, because Microsoft cares more about profit than they care about letting developers give gamers the best experience possible.
You don't think it costs money/time to re-cert a game or a patch on those platforms? Even a F2P play game.
Fact is, he knew what the MS process was going in and wasted his free patch on something that didn't fix the issues the game launched with.
Doctor Decimate
Member
i haven't heard too many complaints about Sony, but XBLA is more..."known" i suppose, so that's not really unexpected.
Diprosalic
Banned
seems like he got what he wanted then.
Welcome to the real console experience, Phil. Enjoy your stay.
Ensuring that the code is compliant with Microsoft's certification requirements. Any console manufacturer would be particularly cautious if anything cropped up which ultimately could lead to the system being able to run unsigned code.
IrishNinja
Member
that really sucks. if there's any silver lining here, i hope this pushes it along to steam quicker, whenever the contract or whatever they have going is done.
this attitude only exists if you dont follow modern gaming development at all.
yeah, yeah. there's no reason for this past that.
this attitude only exists if you dont follow modern gaming development at all.
yeah, yeah. there's no reason for this past that.
jaundicejuice
Member
I don't understand why the console manufacturers make their digital distribution services so toxic for independent developers. I get that the certification process is supposed to help them curate and maintain their walled gardens (cut down on the number of patches with a price wall and, I guess, help maintain a certain level of quality) but it seems to come at too great a cost for the smaller, independent developers.
Yes. That's the entire point. Instead devs use the fees as an excuse not to fix their broken shit. I admire what MS is trying to do but maybe they need to allow 3 free patches before they start punishing developers for their buggy shit. I don't think removing recertification altogether is a real solution.
He had no problem demo'ing the game on a PC.
Who exactly funded this game?
But really, how many people are really required to test out a cert patch? Even with 10 people, 40 hours per week, $20 per hour...that's only $8,000 in salary. I was being very generous with the rate these testers are probably making.
Doctor Decimate
Member
and complained that Minecraft was getting special treatment.
it's Minecraft, Phil. MINECRAFT.
No, I'm pretty confident that's what they're for.
You would of thought Indie developers would have learned by now.
Warm kotatsu.
Diprosalic
Banned
toythatkills
Member
Polytron had the chance to patch FEZ for free and they fucked it up. This is their fault.
It'd be lovely if Microsoft could let them patch it 72 times for free until they managed to get a bug-free version, but unfortunately that doesn't come free for Microsoft who have to perform the cert checks.
(No one would realistically patch a game 72 times really, but I imagine these fees are there to discourage just such behaviour.)
Littlegator
Banned
Oh so it costs $20,000+ to push an update?
This isn't the developer's fault. Glitches happen in code. It's a theorem. The fact that Microsoft is charging them at least $20,000 to push what's probably 5 lines of code is Microsoft's fault.
Hotfixes happen all the time. There's really no reason not to allow them to push this patch. It could literally happen fast enough to add a total of probably 800ms tops to the loading screen.
blizzardjesus
Banned
I'm glad we can expect this level of dedication from Phil.
"Polytron ‏@Polytron
but HEY! only a few months left to our XBLA exclusivity!"
So wait. They didn't get paid and they still signed up for Xbox exclusivity? They must have gotten something out of that deal. Does Microsoft require exclusivity just for the privilege of being on their platform, for some games?
If I was one of these 1% I would definitively not be sympathetic to their deflection of blame to MS. No matter how stupid the fee for patches is with Microsoft, Polytron has fucked over a portion of their consumers plain and simple.
but HEY! only a few months left to our XBLA exclusivity!"
So wait. They didn't get paid and they still signed up for Xbox exclusivity? They must have gotten something out of that deal. Does Microsoft require exclusivity just for the privilege of being on their platform, for some games?
If I was one of these 1% I would definitively not be sympathetic to their deflection of blame to MS. No matter how stupid the fee for patches is with Microsoft, Polytron has fucked over a portion of their consumers plain and simple.
Dog Problems
Banned
Haha, awesome. Looking forward to getting all the achievements again. :-D
XBLA used to be the cool, hot place to feature your indie game 3+ years ago...back when Fez was originally supposed to come out.
That's irrelevant. I'm one of the people who thinks that there's maybe too much entitlement among gamers at this point, but as the end user and consumer it's not outrageous to expect a working product. Whatever business realities exist don't and shouldn't matter to the consumer (at least in this case/industry), if as a company you can't get it straight then you shouldn't be doing it to begin with. I don't buy games to provide donations to companies.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Don't think of them as fees, think of it as a fine - a fine for having to fix something that wasn't right in the first place. And Polytron doesn't feel like paying for it.
I know, but surely going PC/XBLA/PSN/Mobile platforms is far more profitable than a money hat to one platform? It is also more future proof for getting people interested in your other games if you have a following as a company.