AdmiralViscen
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It's funny how this was posted so long ago, yet a lot of people around here (including myself) have argued against those who claimed that FF7 was planned for N64 (using those SGI workstations pictures as proof).
Even if they don't "look" like SW as much as FFXII, it is still contradictory to use them as examples to prove the argument that true FF games are nothing like SW.Eteric Rice said:The different is that II and VI didn't try to "look" like Star Wars. VI had castles, small villages, etc. The old midieval (sort of) style overpowered the high-tech style.
I don't consider FFVIII's Esthar look/ FFX's Machina look of FFXIII to feel like SW. Not much, at least. With the exception of the soldiers' designs.It seems to be the same deal with XIII, also.
Grivenger said:Even if they don't "look" like SW as much as FFXII, it is still contradictory to use them as examples to prove the argument that true FF games are nothing like SW.
I don't consider FFVIII's Esthar look/ FFX's Machina look of FFXIII to feel like SW. Not much, at least. With the exception of the soldiers' designs.
:lol It was the moment I realised this thread was old.AdmiralViscen said:edit: wait, Himuro?? :lol This is ancient.
Grivenger said:I don't consider FFVIII's Esthar look/ FFX's Machina look of FFXIII to feel like SW. Not much, at least. With the exception of the soldiers' designs.
- FFVII was originally planned to take place in New York (!).
brandonh83 said::lol :lol :lol
Eteric Rice said:*shrugs* I like my old school castles, etc.
Eteric Rice said:That for a long time, Final Fantasy hasn't really had any truely "heart felt" moments. Nothing to make you tear up, ya know? At least, that's my opinion.
All I see these days, in art and in everything, is a game trying to be Star Wars (when I first played XII, that's what I saw) instead of a true Fantasy. I wish they would go back to something unique with loveable characters and an interesting world.
We need more RPGs like VI, imo.
Maybe they've just lost their touch? I dunno. :|
And before anyone says it, I'm not saying VII is bad. Just that more modern games have lost their touch.
Old-school, submerging castles that can travel through huge stretches of desert.
Well, it's not surprising a Nintendo fanboy would say this.
Eteric Rice said:Yes!
Ryujin said:I'm not dissagreeing with that, but at the same time there is alot of unfair hate on Sakaguchi and some people even try to claim that he had no hand in FF7 at all. Why I'm not sure exactly...maybe because he left Square or something? Or maybe because they think that the other important people in the development need more credit, I don't know exactly, but Sakaguchi was certainly a central figure to the games development and I'm sure he worked closely with the team, so it's unfair to try to take credit away from him also.
That was really the whole point of my comment.
What is pure fantasy, then? Generic stuff? Wouldn't that be a contradition? If generic castles, swords and princesses - stuff that actually existed in real life - is "pure" fantasy, then what are wizards, mechanical castles, magic-powered robots, gunblades and dragons?Ceb said:But that's not "pure" fantasy either. Neither is Magitek armor and Vector...
He did not write the story of FF6, FF11 and Tactics neither, three of the most praised FFs story-wise (Yes, almost everyone who has played FFXI claims that its story is excellent). And he was only one of the FOUR writers of FFVII, as well. Sakaguchi seems to be the kind of guy that when not under-rated, is over-rated.It's arguable that FF8, FF10, and FF12 aren't as good since he did not write their stories.
Thoren said:I know what you mean. People unfairly discredit Sakaguchi, but they fail to realize he's come up with the Concepts and Scripts for the first Seven games, as well as FF9. It's arguable that FF8, FF10, and FF12 aren't as good since he did not write their stories.
Grivenger said:What is pure fantasy, then? Generic stuff? Wouldn't that be a contradition? If generic castles, swords and princesses - stuff that actually existed in real life - is "pure" fantasy, then what are wizards, mechanical castles, magic-powered robots, gunblades and dragons?
Ceb said:FFI-FFIII barely had stories to speak of. Neither did FFV. This interview shows that he only created a very vague outline for FFVII - he didn't work on the script for the final product. He barely had anything to do with FFIX, but Square managed to fool a lot of fanboys with the marketing for that game.
But there's no denying his impact on the genre in creating a series that would eventually mature into something bigger without him.
I think you're arguing with the wrong guy. I'm telling Eteric Rice that FF has always been a mix of high technology and old fantasy.
Eteric Rice said:And what I'm saying is it seems to be more technology than Fantasy now. That's all. :| In Final Fantasy VI, you could walk into Figaro (I think that was the name, it's been a while) and it looked like a normal castle.
UNTIL!
You went to the bottom. And then later on you find out that it's a sand submarine castle!
I think even VII had a good mix of this. But XII was just way to much on the futuristic side for me. XIII seems to be panning out the same way.
I just prefer the old formula is all.
Merovingian said:Still looking forward to the next FF that is as good as FFVIII from a style and Story perspective.
So far...average after average. FFXII has amazing style, and omg the story could have been amazing, the judges are soo badass looking. But the story sucked, and the characters, give me a break.
Cloud and Squall were badasses, all i get is mother****in pussies now. Hey maybe the FF13 chick will have more balls than the last two blondies.
Ceb said:OK, I get what you're saying, but all of the modern FFs have their share of rinky-dink locations lacking in hi-tech components. And even if some of the games are more advanced than the others in the overall level of technology present in the game world, isn't it nice to have some variation?
Maybe we should just agree to disagree.
PhoncipleBone said:If you want to see the true badass of the FF series, just go the FFVI.
Sabin
The man suplexed a train.
Captain N said:great read! thanks for putting all that time into writing all of that...an chance we'd be able to see Final Fantasy VII on the DS?
Hcoregamer00 said:What?? :lol
At best a port of the PSX game, at worst another spinoff.
Eteric Rice said:Fan, I'm a fan, not a fanboy. I do plan on getting a 360 sometime this year, ya know.
Eteric Rice said:I'll put my money on a port. :|
Logan Cano said:Oh, come on, you are the guy that couldn't take the wii being called last gen hw, and came up with a huge argument about sales and shit. Just be a man and admit it.
Hcoregamer00 said:There is absolutely nothing wrong with a port of some kind for FFVII.
As long as it retains the horrible translation and the FMV's. They also need to improve it because I want to have a female character on screen instead of having cloud 97% of the time (with Tifa taking the last 3%).
Logan Cano said:I wouldn't expect that on the DS. FMVs would have to be dropped, they can't possibly fit in those tiny cartridges.
Christopher said:you are a fanboy, and an annoying one at that in every thread "bubub why not for the Wii"
Datschge said:I think it's quite telling that since his leaving the FF brand is becoming popular for being grossly over-milked.and people say the Tales series is bad in that regard?
..pakbeka.. said:why does every FF7-related thread always ends up in the mythical discussion of FF7 on DS?
Ceb said:I'd say we have Yoicihi Wada to "thank" for that. He's the shitheel who introduced the focus on polymorphic content and gave us "World of Mana", "Compilation of FFVII", "Ivalice Alliance"... and Code Age, hadn't it been a supreme bomba.
Datschge said:I think it's quite telling that since his leaving the FF brand is becoming popular for being grossly over-milked.
It's pretty much Wada and Nomura's fault both are from Square.jett said:Enix is responsible that shit
OtwoloBotawa said:I haven't seen enix milking DQ in such a blatant way, like square does it with Final Fantasy.
tebiro boy said:I quite like the concept of having lots of different games (or movies, manga) using variations on the same base mythology/concept, and I'm quite looking forward to the FFXIII collection. *shrug*
Square had stuff like Chocobo's Dungeon even before they merged with Enix. Also the DQ spinoffs are all good games.SolidSnakex said:Absolutely, its not as if they've got DQSwords, Monsters, Torneko ect.
Enix is responsible that shit, which wouldn't have happened if they hadn't bought SE("merged"), which wouldn't have happened if Sucakaguchi hadn't singlehandedly brought down the company with his piece of shit movie.
So, in essence, it really is his fault the "Square" of today acts the way it does.
OtwoloBotawa said:Square had stuff like Chocobo's Dungeon even before they merged with Enix. Also the DQ spinoffs are all good games.
I haven't seen DQV-2, DQIV: BEFORE SLIME, DQVII-X 2.0, DQI: INTERNATIONAL EDITION , ALLIANCE OF DRAGONQUEST and so on. If you seriously want to say that Enix milks DQ as hard as Square milks FF you're having some problems with your reality perception.
Dude, 4-D Boxing was one of the better games ever made.teepo said:haha 4D Sports Boxing inspired ff7. this made my ****ing day.
People bitch about the final fantasy spinoffs because they are mostly poor in quality and infected by nomura's horrible visual-k subculture fetish.SolidSnakex said:I didn't say they did milk it as much as Square does FF, but they do milk it. There are many spinoffs of the games. People attack FF for it having many games but then act like the same doesn't go on with DQ. The big difference is that all the FF's tend to come out in the US now while DQ's are often left in Japan and people just forget about them.
Trash like FFVI that is, alongside Chrono Trigger, one of the most loved SNES RPGs ever created, and trash like FFVII/ FFVIII/ FFX, which are the most commercially successful FFs, being FFVII one of the most over-rated games ever. I don't consider Sakaguchi's FFII or FFV to be an example of slightly above average RPGs (well, at least FFV's gameplay was awesome...). His FFI was an excellent start, his FFIV was a classic, and the story he wrote for FFIX was pretty charmful even though it re-used many cliché concepts... Like I said before, Sakaguchi is the kind of guy that is either over-rated or under-rated. Same for Kitase, I guess.At least Sakaguchi's FF's were decent, slightly above average RPGs for their time... The stuff Kitase has come up with is just trash.