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[mbpm1]

Tbh he could have just thought it would never come up at a critical juncture like this. I mean, it happened at EVO, but he might have thought he could have come back if he'd taken out Choi.

There are 44 different characters in the game and Sim is not a popular character, so he could've just shrugged it off.

He don't have that excuse now though lol

 

[kirblar]

Even if Daigo switched to Yun Xian would switch back to Gen to body him. It was a lose-lose situation.

Yeah, I doubt he has Yun's RFC combos or USF4 timings down either. He needed to win G1 to gain the advantage in G3 and didn't do it. Once he lost the first game he had no good options left.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

If you're the best with your character you should be able to overcome 3-7 matchups against all but the best with the other character, even then you have a chance.

 

[Grakl]

So is Sony funding an increase in the total prize pool for every tournament in the CPT season so it equals at least 500K? I'm not quite sure what the announcement means.

 

[mbpm1]

I still don't know what happened against PR Rog though. He had that game.

 

[Kimosabae]

So is Sony funding an increase in the total prize pool for every tournament in the CPT season so it equals at least 500K? I'm not quite sure what the announcement means.

I'm sure no one knows for sure, yet. We're awaiting more information

I still don't know what happened against PR Rog though. He had that game.

2/3 happened.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I'm calling BS on these guys claiming they're picking up SF or dropping their main game because of the money.

It's going to light a fire under a handful of lapsed SF4 top players.

But otherwise, yeah.

They need to redo the points system too. Giving out points for events like PAX was ridiculous.

But that makes some sense from Capcom's perspective. The Pro Tour, after all, is a marketing experiment for them. There's a point in branching their presence out to more general gaming conventions that have an entirely different visibility, and not just the same old FGC events with the same old audience all the time.

How many points should be given out at those particular events, of course, can be a matter of contention.

 

[mbpm1]

Capcom plans nerf to Ken
Momochi wins Capcom Cup

Collusion

 

[commanderpepper]

Hadocon is on right now at IPW. They're streaming teams right now.

 

[BakedYams]

So is Sony funding an increase in the total prize pool for every tournament in the CPT season so it equals at least 500K? I'm not quite sure what the announcement means.

That Mahvel is coming babeehhhh

 

[mbpm1]

That Mahvel is coming babeehhhh

Ono called SF5 "a marvel". You know what that means.

 

[CountBlack]

2/3 happened.

"Balrog is only good in 2/3 matches" - PR Rog


No shade to Rog tho, dude played amazing.

Dat red focus

 

[ViewtifulJC]

"Balrog is only good in 2/3 matches" - PR Rog


No shade to Rog tho, dude played amazing.

Dat desperate red focus

ftfy

 

[kirblar]

The Capcom PT seems to be going for the "aspirational" model that we see used in MTG and other TCGs, and it's a much better fit than the MLG-type models that kinda just die off the moment the marketing budget dies.

 

[Kimosabae]

Did he really say that?

I think that applies to PR, more than the character, honestly. Not to say PR isn't solid, but he's definitely a 2/3 type of player.

 

[mbpm1]

FGW| I did the math desperately. It said to pick Sim.

 

[kirblar]

Did he really say that?

I think that applies to PR, more than the character, honestly. Not to say PR isn't solid, but he's definitely a 2/3 type of player.

Yeah, he's mentioned it previously, feels the character is "too fair".

 

[oneida]

so does Charlie's inclusion reveal that Blanka won't be in SFV or have you guys not accepted that as canon

 

[Dahbomb]

One of the best with a character losing to a 4th alt shows he's weak in the MU. He probably feels it's a better time investment to work on that MU over playing an entirely different character. He mained Yun years ago, he may feel he isn't comfortable playing him in a short set against a player of that caliber.

I mean, you can mock "expressing himself" and what not but he may feel 100% dedicating himself to one character, completely immersing himself in that character, and learning the game through that character gives him the understanding and instinct needed to be more effective overall. So while Dhalsim may be a weakness he is better in other matchups for it.

This might hold some weight if Daigo was known to do that but he has more than shown that he is capable of switching over just learning bad match ups. He has switched from Ryu to Yun and now to E.Ryu. He is not a character loyalist, he picks stuff to win.

If a year from now Capcom decides to hit E.Ryu with the nerf bat you can bet that he will switch out IF he's serious about the game.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

This might hold some weight if Daigo was known to do that but he has more than shown that he is capable of switching over just learning bad match ups. He has switched from Ryu to Yun and now to E.Ryu. He is not a character loyalist, he picks stuff to win.

If a year from now Capcom decides to hit E.Ryu with the nerf bat you can bet that he will switch out IF he's serious about the game.

He has switched mains but when he switched he was a character specialist. He didn't pick up a new character and continue playing the old. There's a difference between changing mains and playing a team of characters.

He openly said he picked Yun and Evil Ryu to win but he feels playing only them gives him the best chance.

 

[GorillaWithDandruff]

so does Charlie's inclusion reveal that Blanka won't be in SFV or have you guys not accepted that as canon

Oh it's all canon baby. Goodnight, sweet prince...

 

[enzo_gt]

so does Charlie's inclusion reveal that Blanka won't be in SFV or have you guys not accepted that as canon

What?

The strangest thing is people crossing out or pseudo-confirming characters based on a lore that can pretty much revive people out of nowhere, and having no knowledge of where SFV takes place temporally.

 

[Prototype]

Daigo has said it himself in interviews. He prefers to 100% dedicate himself to one character, to feel as comfortable as he can. He admitted that part of the reason he lost to F Champ was that he wasn't good at at the Evil Ryu vs. Dhalsim matchup. He didn't lose because of the matchup. It's not a 1-9 unwinnable match up. When you're losing to a part time player like Champ it's not the MU's fault.

I feel like what you said indicates the opposite. If Diago can lose to a part time player, it's the MU that's doing most of the heavy lifting.

 

[Coffeeling]

Part of me thinks that this isn't going to change much.

50K was a ton of money for Capcom Cup, among the highest... we still saw the usual stuff from the US players (PRBalrog with a weak E.Ryu, Justin and Ricky with the same Rufus etc). And before that Justin was tweeting "hey guys I am totally practicing hardcore for SF!"

I hope I am wrong... I want US to fucking win an EVO or Capcom Cup already.


And all these Fanatiqs who are going to pick up USF4 all of a sudden is just hilarious.

I'm counting on Yipes.

 

[oneida]

What?

The strangest thing is people crossing out or pseudo-confirming characters based on a lore that can pretty much revive people out of nowhere, and having no knowledge of where SFV takes place temporally.

so you're saying sawada is out then

 

[stn]

Daigo should have switched to Yun. Even if Gen DOES beat Yun, it can't be worse than Dhalsim versus any shotos not named Akuma.

 

[Beckx]

Got to see some of Capcom Cup, mostly early matches, not as much as I wanted. Need to catch up on the grand finals.

Noodles on the head. Noodles. Makes me smile, I like it as an answer to MKX's gore.

I hope the UI stays simple for SFV like it is now.

 

[Prototype]

Tbh he could have just thought it would never come up at a critical juncture like this. I mean, it happened at EVO, but he might have thought he could have come back if he'd taken out Choi.

There are 44 different characters in the game and Sim is not a popular character, so he could've just shrugged it off.

He don't have that excuse now though lol

This comment and others like it:

I don't think this holds much water. Everyone at this point knows he struggles with the Sim MU. It's not like people aren't watching the streams and have seen him lose and struggle here before. It's a smart move to have a decent Sim ready for Diago in a tournament. Why not? It makes Daigo go from beast to kitten. Especially if he's going to try and face the bad MU head on, it's like he's inviting people to do it.


If I had Diago's skill you can bet your ass I'd have alts to cover my bad MUs. I think he could have beaten Xian's Sim with Yun and then gotta past Gen. The Gen-Yun MU isn't nearly as bad as the Ryu-Sim MU. Better odds is better odds.

 

[smurfx]

is sony going to throw another 500k for the 2016 capcom pro tour as well? is that when sf5 is meant to be released?

 

[gutabo]

When Xian picked Dhalsim I was expecting this to happen.

 

[BakedYams]

Finally, a game Blanka won't be a part of, most annoying character ever.

 

[Hot Coldman]

FGW | I've Got A Blanka Space, Baby

 

[Dahbomb]

He has switched mains but when he switched he was a character specialist. He didn't pick up a new character and continue playing the old. There's a difference between changing mains and playing a team of characters.

He openly said he picked Yun and Evil Ryu to win but he feels playing only them gives him the best chance.

Daigo says a lot of crap but even he doesn't follow up on it.

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/9/23/daigo-says-he-wont-use-ryu-in-ssf4-ae-ver-2012.html

Remember when he said he won't be using Ryu in AE 2012 after playing Yun? He played most of that version with Ryu after Yun got the stick.

On the note of character specialist, that will lead to a long debate of what a character specialist is so I will just say that I don't feel Daigo is on the same level as being a specialist as Luffy is with Rose. That is why I feel that Daigo stands to gain from switching up characters where as Luffy would not. And it's not like Daigo would be switching to someone he has not played.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

But matchup numbers aren't the actual odds. Xian is the best Gen in the world. It'd be Daigo's alt that he picked up for Dhalsim against that.

If you had Daigo's skill and spent time playing a bunch of alts you then might no longer have Daigo's skill. Playing multiple characters in situations like that is itself a talent. Daigo says he prefers the other approach. Character specialists win all the time so I don't know why this is controversial.

I feel strongly about this because I'm also constantly told to play alts and it's pretty frustrating.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Daigo says a lot of crap but even he doesn't follow up on it.

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/9/23/daigo-says-he-wont-use-ryu-in-ssf4-ae-ver-2012.html

Remember when he said he won't be using Ryu in AE 2012 after playing Yun? He played most of that version with Ryu after Yun got the stick.

So what? He changed his mind.

When he switched back to Ryu he stuck with him. That is in line with what he's doing here.

 

[Dlent]

so does Charlie's inclusion reveal that Blanka won't be in SFV or have you guys not accepted that as canon

Blanka mode will be a power-up super.

 

[mbpm1]

I feel like what you said indicates the opposite. If Diago can lose to a part time player, it's the MU that's doing most of the heavy lifting.

Daigo really wasn't playing at his best in the Sim matchup though. No patience. He really could have done it, it's not like Sim vs shoto is a 7-3 matchup, especially with eryu and this version of Sim.

It's partially his fault for not practicing the matchup well, I think, not just because he didn't switch.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

The whole narrative of Capcom Cup was that you needed multiple characters to win and that Momochi's big edge was that he plays multiple characters. He played all Ken and is 30 thousand richer for it.

At EVO he counter picked Luffy with Juri and threw away 2 games for it. Here he stuck with Ken and won.

 

[DunpealD]

He has switched mains but when he switched he was a character specialist. He didn't pick up a new character and continue playing the old. There's a difference between changing mains and playing a team of characters.

He openly said he picked Yun and Evil Ryu to win but he feels playing only them gives him the best chance.

He did switch once to win at Canada Cup 2010. So he's not necessarily a stranger to a pocket character.

Whether one should have a pocket character or not, that's up for debate. It certainly didn't help Valmaster. Everyone is playing the same game under the same circumstances, I think it's more about the individual player than just the characters.

 

[GorillaWithDandruff]

Blanka mode will be a power-up super.

DUDE. I'd be so down for a Makoto style ultra where Charlie just goes full fuckin' Blanka. I'd fuck wit dat. I'd fuck wit dat hard.

 

[Dahbomb]

This isn't really a debate of whether character specialists win more or if players with pocket characters win more. I am sure if we do the stats on that we will find that more character specialists win simply because there are more of them out there.

The debate is over a person who is KNOWN to play multiple characters not utilizing everything in his toolset. I would never tell Luffy to have an alt because he has been playing that character since day 1. Likewise I would not say that Daigo must always use Ryu because that's what he used day 1. It's on a per player basis.

If someone is missing out on reaching their max potential (like what we are debating here with Justin using Rufus) because they are sticking to just one character then they are doing a disservice to themselves. The opposite is also true but you will never know unless you try.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

The whole narrative of Capcom Cup was that you needed multiple characters to win and that Momochi's big edge was that he plays multiple characters. He played all Ken and is 30 thousand richer for it.

At EVO he counter picked Luffy with Juri and threw away 2 games for it. Here he stuck with Ken and won.

Having a solid pocket character for your bad match-ups, whether you pull it out or not, can be an effective way to discourage your opponent from boxing you into a bad match-up.

How willing would Xian have been to go to Dhalsim if Daigo had ever previously demonstrated that he could switch to a favorable match-up at the drop of a hat and still tough out the set afterward? Dhalsim might be good against shotos, but he's bottom-tier overall.

 

[Randam]

1st.: charlie being blanka is stupid and was a stupid idee of the SF Movie.

and isn't SF5 to be set between 4 and 3?
so they had to transform blanka back to charlie!?

 

[jbug617]

Is there a guide to quickly unlock Sin?

 

[Rhapsody]

It's so weird how the 3S characters in 4 will now be even older than they should be.

Is there a guide to quickly unlock Sin?

Story mode gives half the amount needed. Then do arcade or trials.

Edit: I did turbo controllers for VS mode. It takes even longer, but I did this while sleeping or during class.

 

[Kikujiro]

Having a solid pocket character for your bad match-ups, whether you pull it out or not, can be an effective way to discourage your opponent from boxing you into a bad match-up.

How willing would Xian have been to go to Dhalsim if Daigo had ever previously demonstrated that he could switch to a favorable match-up at the drop of a hat and still tough out the set afterward? Dhalsim might be good against shotos, but he's bottom-tier overall.

I mostly agree with Osu, Daigo isn't switching because of pride, he just feels more comfortable with mastering one character, but you make a great point. Showing the willingness to switch is a way to counter your opponent.

 

[Dahbomb]

He did switch once to win at Canada Cup 2010. So he's not necessarily a stranger to a pocket character.

Damn I forgot about that. I also know that he did switch between Ryu/Yun during AE in a tournament but I can't remember which one. Point is that this is not a foreign concept to Daigo, he has done it before and he is still capable of doing it.

 

[Astarte]

Yaga commentator voices are something else

 

[biosnake20]

Alleged rumors from ken bogard

Okay I have a couple of rumors for you GAF. They are probably true.

Ken Bogard is well-known in the french VS fighting community. He's a fighting games commentator and also has a weekly show about VS Fighting on french Web TV "Gaming Live". He apparently has a source at Capcom. All the infos he had in the past turned out to be true and he's not the kind of guy who spread out ridiculous rumors.

So take the following has you want GAF, but I'm 100% trusting that dude.

He has also a weekly "shiny hunting" Pokemon show on that web tv. So on his December 5th Show, while playing, he talked a lot about Street Fighter V. He said he knew stuff and that he'll dropp discretely hint during the show. Here's what he said.

- Street Fighter V won't have "Super" or "Hyper" editions. Just updates. He won't know if these updates will be free or DLC and does not know if they'll be balancing updates or will add characters and stages.
- The number of characters in the starting roster will be between SFIII and SF IV. He knows the number but not the returning cast.
- There'll be 4 new characters and he knows 3 of them.
- Focus Attacks won't return.
- It'll be released in 2016 and that the month is easy to guess. (He said to think about japanese fiscal years).

Then he dropped some interesting clues. He usually nicknames his Pokemon with stupid joke names but not this time.

3 of his pokemons were nicknamed

- Rachid
- Zen
- Laura

We can assume these are the 3 new fighters he knows about. He also kept mentioning 3 places in the world and he said "there was a reason": Brasil, Africa and India. We can assume Rachid is from Africa and (more probably North Africa), Zen will be from India and Laura from Brasil.

He also named another Pokemon "V-Trigger" which is probably the name of the new SFV mechanic.

So, you know everything. I repeat, I think we can 100% trust Ken Bogard but don't forget either: we're still early in development, things can change.

tl;dr: RUMOR (which I believe is true) French VS fighting commentator seems to have info about SFV. Launch date 2016. No new versions, just updates. 4 new characters: Rachid (Africa), Zen (India), Laura (Brasil) and one more. New mechanic called V-trigger.

Someone posted somehting like this before but this has more detail

 

[Dahbomb]

Where are the receipts on these "leaks"?