KidA Seven
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Just accept that SF4 will get screwed over again. I know I have.
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Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 26 - Feb 1 | Zaibatschu
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Just accept that SF4 will get screwed over again. I know I have.
Most games have the most play time up front when the game is released and that is also when the major balance issues are the most obvious.
Will just use MVC3 as an example. Excluding the Sentinel nerf (because that was intended to be in the game before release as stated numerous time), a ton of the obviously broken stuff was discovered within 3 months. Everyone knew Phoenix was broken, Berserker Slash, Hammer, DHC glitch, Haggar assist etc. These are the overtly broken stuff that needed to be rectified immediately.
The sooner these changes are implemented, the sooner the more fine tune changes can take place. A balance patch earlier would've meant that the TAC infinites would've been discovered earlier and then fixed earlier because every balance patch means people do more experimentation and trials + try to find the broken stuff. Instead you have a lull period where people aren't experimenting because they feel like they have figured out the most powerful stuff and aren't motivated enough to experiment with other stuff.
Of course in 3 months you can't judge the more minute balance changes which is why they should not touched. Something that is obviously broken or not working as intended needs to be fixed early so it doesn't be so overt that it prevents people from even trying other characters/strategies (like Phoenix/Wolverine being so dominant against zoning teams that it made people not even try zoning teams at all and we didn't get to see Morrigan + Doom be used in that environment).
Loctests were far different than what we actually had. According to Viscant, the Heartless Spire of Ghost Rider was Captain Commando's assist range. Stuff like that is overtly stupid and that's why gets nerfed immediately. There was also stuff like Strider's Vajra causing a ground bounce instead of a hard knockdown.
And Justin complained about Sentinel in one tweet after he came around to liking the game within the other tweet. I am not talking about knee jerk day 1 reactions here but at least 3 months of play. Sentinel didn't even win anything in 3 months to even justify getting nerfed, there has to be some data to even justify bringing out harsh nerfs.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I dunno. One of the main reasons I hung onto her despite being underwhelmed overall was that I felt she had a better anchor match-up against Dark Phoneix than most of the cast. You could do a full-screen Finishing Shower against a typical Phoenix player and watch them teleport right into their death, not knowing how far that super comes out behind her. And if they weren't that stupid? You could often spend multiple bars doing that super over and over just to drain their X-factor.
If anything I think it was other balance and system changes that pushed her up moreso than any buffs she got.
You can't pick and choose like this. It doesn't matter whether the change was intended to come earlier or not; it doesn't change the fact that so many people were whining and begging for a nerf that shouldn't have come to pass because they didn't know how to play the game yet.
There is nothing to pick and choose about Sentinel because that change was not a knee jerk reaction to people whining. It was not a change made from looking at actual tournament matches or results or even taking player opinion. People always bring up that nerf when that doesn't even make sense to talk about. People are always going to whine, it's up to the developers to be objective in their data gathering and make good decisions when it comes to this sort of thing.
A better thing to talk about would be the nerf of She Hulk in UMVC3. Now that's a bad change based on player results, feedback and match footage. Of course overall they made more good changes in UMVC3 bad based on the 3 month data. Some bad changes happen in almost every patch, that's just how things are and of course people will always zero in on them without looking at the positive changes.
Ideally speaking... all fighting games should go through an online beta testing phase. They can patch all they want in this phase and then when the game launches that's when they can do the slower patches. With the arcade loktest era past us, this is the real future of fighting game balance testing. No developer can be expected to put out a decently balanced game day 1 without something like this.
It's not even unreasonable to expect this as so many games of various genres use this even on consoles.
A better thing to talk about would be the nerf of She Hulk in UMVC3. Now that's a bad change based on player results, feedback and match footage. Of course overall they made more good changes in UMVC3 bad based on the 3 month data. Some bad changes happen in almost every patch, that's just how things are and of course people will always zero in on them without looking at the positive changes.
Ideally speaking... all fighting games should go through an online beta testing phase. They can patch all they want in this phase and then when the game launches that's when they can do the slower patches. With the arcade loktest era past us, this is the real future of fighting game balance testing. No developer can be expected to put out a decently balanced game day 1 without something like this.
It's not even unreasonable to expect this as so many games of various genres use this even on consoles.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I agree with this. Arcades met this purpose in the past but that's kind of over with.
I just wish patching on console wasn't stupid when it doesn't have to be. Five years from now, if UMvC3 is being played at all, it'll be done on launch versions with stupid throw techs.
what happened there?
I don't remember the exact details but Tokido was playing SC at a tournament but it was unpatched and after losing he realized it was unpatched. So they had to get it patched up to play.
The patch was relevant to him because he was using some cheap shit in that game and it didn't work in the older patch or something like that. I am pretty sure it was Viola who had the cheap shit in the new patch that didn't work in the older patch LOL! Tokido actually went on to win that tournament for SCV.
This is also not to different from what happens in Injustice from time to time.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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El Sabroso
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FGW | PP your elders
Karsticles
Member
What is this about SE collaborating with Capcom somehow for SFV?
Yeah I want to know this too. It was on Max's video.
Who knows? It can be anything from characters to simple costumes...maybe stages. I hope Phantom Train from FF6 makes it in.
They showed the SE and Capcom logos on a graveyard background during the presentation. Nothing else.I'm hoping for Sabin DLC.
That Dude John
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During the Taipei Game Show when Capcom was talking about the game there was a SFV logo on the big screen with the blacked-out silhouette of something with the Square-enix copyright on the bottom of the image.
maybe SE is buying capcom.
MajinSweet4
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Pretty sure PPMD has been trending world wide longer than any fighting game player ever. Just insane.
Lightning's done. It's all about FF15 hotness now.
Longer than Justin Marvelous Wong or Luffy? I don't know about that man.
Professor Beef
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fight me in smash 4 with marth and if you win then that's the title ;D
seriously, that title is good. use it, don't be a scrub enzo
direct_quote
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Nightmare level scenario there.. Buy Capcom just to shelf all their IPs..
MajinSweet4
Member
It's been over an hour now. How long were they trending?
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The funniest thing about the worldwide trends was seeing the players (aMSa, Mango, Leffen and PPMD who had far and away the longest trend time) then seeing random characters popping up with no context (Falco when no one was playing Falco on screen; Marth)
thats so good.
ipitydatfu
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FGC | sticks thrown at a party game, Hoo haah
on a serious note, i love how ppmd beat 20xx with a marth. ssbm has come to a full circle
on a serious note, i love how ppmd beat 20xx with a marth. ssbm has come to a full circle