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[alstein]

something I was always curious about in regards to FGC events is that tournaments are always that... tournaments.

Why not take a major event and set it up like UFC? Head liner fight and undercards, ect.

I believe this would encourage a more stat driven approach to the FGC which would be a good thing. Seeing top players win/lose ratio, their hits landed, how many times they've come back, % of 1st hits, ect...

That kind of stuff would be great and would really allow fans to get into the nitty gritty of fights.


There isn't anything wrong w/ a tournament per say, but mixing it up, and also having a full on league in that UFC style with consistent stat tracking could be a huge + for the FGC.


edit:
yes, this would mean ranking all players and having "champions."

edit2: not sure about divisions since weight class would be irrelevant, then again, it may just not be needed. Certainly by region though, i.e. US, EU, JP, ect

The downside is without the pot monsters, how do you fill the hotels?

That said, i wouldn't mind a small, say 12-person round-robin for major games held somewhere centrally, that only invited the winners of majors (and if someone wins multiple majors, a points system to get the guys who did best who didn't win) as an end-of-year bonus with a large prize pot- kinda like an American Topanga.

That would be something where pot bonuses would be nice. Maybe majors could hold back 10% of their prize pots for 1st place winners to save it for the end-of-year

Also unsure what 12 tournies would be used- Evo, FR, NEC, UFGT, CEO, NCR, SCR, NWM, a Texas tourney, TFC, Canada Cup, ???? (would prefer a Midwestern tourney here), and what games

Also all 12 events would have to agree to run games at the start of the year, and accept that upgraded games (like say AE to USF4 would count as the same game- with players choosing which version gets played at the end of year)

A $25,000-$30,000 event, top players only, 66 sets in one day, would be hype.

That said, outside of such an end-of-year events, I think it's more important to do things for the folks who show up to these events and who have no chance of actually winning money, because that's 95% of the folks showing. This is why I think the con aspect of majors needs to be increased- that would do tons to expand the community.

 

[FlyFaster]

The downside is without the pot monsters, how do you fill the hotels?

That said, i wouldn't mind a small, say 12-person round-robin for major games held somewhere centrally, that only invited the winners of majors (and if someone wins multiple majors, a points system to get the guys who did best who didn't win) as an end-of-year bonus with a large prize pot- kinda like an American Topanga.

That would be something where pot bonuses would be nice. Maybe majors could hold back 10% of their prize pots for 1st place winners to save it for the end-of-year

Also unsure what 12 tournies would be used- Evo, FR, NEC, UFGT, CEO, NCR, SCR, NWM, a Texas tourney, TFC, Canada Cup, ???? (would prefer a Midwestern tourney here), and what games

Also all 12 events would have to agree to run games at the start of the year, and accept that upgraded games (like say AE to USF4 would count as the same game- with players choosing which version gets played at the end of year)

A $25,000-$30,000 event, top players only, 66 sets in one day, would be hype.

That said, outside of such an end-of-year events, I think it's more important to do things for the folks who show up to these events and who have no chance of actually winning money, because that's 95% of the folks showing. This is why I think the con aspect of majors needs to be increased- that would do tons to expand the community.

ya man, you bring up a lot of good points. I was really only thinking about it from a spectators standpoint. Didn't consider how to fill up the venues.

Other then getting to be there and watch in person, the "con" aspect seems to be the best way to go.

Also, the huge payout + top players sound like what Capcom tried to do with the SF25th ani tournament and what they are trying to do with the Capcom Cup, although I haven't heard about prizes for CC.

 

[Toski]

something I was always curious about in regards to FGC events is that tournaments are always that... tournaments.

Why not take a major event and set it up like UFC? Head liner fight and undercards, ect.

I believe this would encourage a more stat driven approach to the FGC which would be a good thing. Seeing top players win/lose ratio, their hits landed, how many times they've come back, % of 1st hits, ect...

That kind of stuff would be great and would really allow fans to get into the nitty gritty of fights.


There isn't anything wrong w/ a tournament per say, but mixing it up, and also having a full on league in that UFC style with consistent stat tracking could be a huge + for the FGC.


edit:
yes, this would mean ranking all players and having "champions."

edit2: not sure about divisions since weight class would be irrelevant, then again, it may just not be needed. Certainly by region though, i.e. US, EU, JP, ect

Isn't that the idea behind the Capcom Cup? I think we need another high roller MM exhibition ala Clockwork/Neo for a change of pace from tournaments.

 

[offcast]

Looks like I'll be going to TGS. Gonna bring my bring my camera and record all the out of towners getting hustled in Roppongi.

 

[toddhunter]

Looks like I'll be going to TGS. Gonna bring my bring my camera and record all the out of towners getting hustled in Roppongi.

Nice. Bit of a dream trip of mine.

 

[enzo_gt]

Looks like I'll be going to TGS. Gonna bring my bring my camera and record all the out of towners getting hustled in Roppongi.

Get footage of a maid slapping Sp00ky and us GIF monsters on GAF will be forever in your debt.

Hard Mode: Infiltration with Laugh in the background.

 

[sixteen-bit]

poor daigo


it was over before it began ;_;

Kadey curse in effect?

 

[Jazz-ism]

I will be attending tokyo game show exhibition as well

if gaf would like, Im going to put a care package together for spooky and the stream crew. from neogaf?

 

[CurlyW]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

 

[Beckx]

Looks like I'll be going to TGS. Gonna bring my bring my camera and record all the out of towners getting hustled in Roppongi.

Bring me back a NeoGeo and a big bag of carts!

 

[Silver_key]

DSP to save the FGC?

i have to agree. Even the arizona streams (hazmat?) and San Diego (I watch mostly for Viscant and DiosX) are mildly entertaining but even I can only handle so much streaming.

Find it hard to believe that Spooky and LevelUp don't have other revenue streams to sustain their business.

Where's my weekly FGC highlights show so we can get all sports-Sports in here?

 

[Chavelo]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

1. For a major, I would go for C both as a attendee and a stream viewer. Makes it more important for a top 8 to be held on the next day. Fuck partying in between, y'all need to be grown ass adults and control yourselves.

2. I would go for a mix of 2 and 3. Why not have both major and minor events spread across both days? Let's you take both days seriously while having fun at the same time.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

1) C.

2) 3.

 

[CurlyW]

1. For a major, I would go for C both as a attendee and a stream viewer. Makes it more important for a top 8 to be held on the next day. Fuck partying in between, y'all need to be grown ass adults and control yourselves.

Well, I wouldn't say I'm working on planning a major per se. In the past it's been a large, one-day regional event (96 people for Marvel last year) that has a lot of more niche games. I think it's still technically a regional because I reserve "major" for CEOTFCUFGTECTNECSCRWBNCR (with Evo and FR as "premier" events). However, some of the other people involved in planning think we should try to make it more of a major. I'm just worried about trying to overreach and possibly alienating local and regional people from attending. Do we get more than 96 people for Marvel if we hold it over two days? I'm not so sure.

 

[kirblar]

For question 1- C. However, given the amount of games we now have, using Saturday Night to do Top 8s is also a good idea.

For question 2.- 3

In unrelated news: can't make it down to TFC. Car repairs = booooooo

 

[SloaneRisette]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

1. C

2. 3

And I just figured out that I'll be working the full weekend on the weekend of TFC There'll be archives, yeah, but there's nothing like watching it live, and I'll be missing most of each day =\

 

[MiniBossBattle]

Looks like I'll be going to TGS. Gonna bring my bring my camera and record all the out of towners getting hustled in Roppongi.

You can't bring camera's in arcades. I was politely asked to put my camera away last time I went.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

You can't bring camera's in arcades. I was politely asked to put my camera away last time I went.

Correction: you can't get caught using cameras in arcades.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

B for both

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

If I were there I would want 2, if I'm watching then I think 3 is better.

 

[enzo_gt]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

First question.
As an attendee: C) sounds the most logical and gives the most lee way for if I want to check out/participate in another game. Ain't broke, don't fix it.
As a viewer: C) because it still gives maximum flexibility for me potentially getting the game I want to see on stream. A) constrains things quite a bit. I wouldn't mind B) either TBH, because no matter what is run when, I will only tune into what I care about regardless.

Second question:
As an attendee: 1) definitely, because then I don't have to stay up late Sunday night to fuck with school/work the next day.
As a viewer: 1) as well, either way I'm staying up.

if this is some sly form of research for UFGTX, please make SF the main event and Marvel come before so I can sleep earlier

 

[Shouta]

Alex Valle
@AlexValleSF4
Do people still not understand the repercussions for showcasing certain things on your streams?? If you ever want to get sponsored, think...

Anyone know what that's about in particular? He followed up with:

Alex Valle @AlexValleSF4
@heirtotheempire use of inappropriate or licensed material not authorized by owner.

But I'm just curious what person/stream he was referring to.

Might be stuff like shows/anime. I know I've seen some FGC people do that before.

As for Curly's question, it depends on the size of the event.

 

[CurlyW]

if this is some sly form of research for UFGTX, please make SF the main event and Marvel come before so I can sleep earlier

No, this is not some sly form of research for UFGTX, it's some sly form of research for Frosty Faustings.

As for Curly's question, it depends on the size of the event.

Possibly the second-biggest event in the midwest. As I said earlier, last year it had 96 people for Marvel in a one-day event.

 

[Shouta]

Possibly the second-biggest event in the midwest. As I said earlier, last year it had 96 people for Marvel in a one-day event.

96 for a one day tourny is pretty possible (need the setups and space though) to do but I don't know if folks will enjoy getting done in a single day. At that number, 2 days is possible if folks are up to it.

Personally, I'd prefer a better 1 day experience than a slightly weaker 2 day one, if the numbers allow for it. That reduces costs which would make it more appealing for folks to attend, at least if it' s mostly focused on the people in that area/region.

 

[CurlyW]

96 for a one day tourny is pretty possible (need the setups and space though) to do but I don't know if folks will enjoy getting done in a single day. At that number, 2 days is possible if folks are up to it.

Personally, I'd prefer a better 1 day experience than a slightly weaker 2 day one, if the numbers allow for it. That reduces costs which would make it more appealing for folks to attend, at least if it' s mostly focused on the people in that area/region.

Unlike last year, there will be enough space this year. The only issue with regard to scheduling is that there are going to be at minimum 12 events to run (not counting team events, which people want) and even if you let each community run their own event, it would still likely be a nightmare.

This explains the idea where the major events are started and completed on Saturday, with more minor & team events starting and ending on Sunday for people who stick around. That way people who want the strong 1-day experience can still have it. I admit it's less interesting for spectators, however.

 

[Kadey]

New Live name is KadeybaybeLIVE. Had to create a new one because if I'm streaming PC and Xbox, I can't sign on both using one name. Send me them FRs!

 

[Shouta]

Unlike last year, there will be enough space this year. The only issue with regard to scheduling is that there are going to be at minimum 12 events to run (not counting team events, which people want) and even if you let each community run their own event, it would still likely be a nightmare.

This explains the idea where the major events are started and completed on Saturday, with more minor & team events starting and ending on Sunday for people who stick around. That way people who want the strong 1-day experience can still have it. I admit it's less interesting for spectators, however.

With that many events, yeah a 2 day run might be better for sure.

I definitely prefer a 1-day experience for smaller events though. It doesn't make huge sense to do 2 days most of the time. For larger events, 2 days is understandable but I kind of also expect more in that case.

 

[Seasoned Badger]

New Live name is KadeybaybeLIVE. Had to create a new one because if I'm streaming PC and Xbox, I can't sign on both using one name. Send me them FRs!

Mwhahaha you can't escape the clutches of MS!!!

 

[SloaneRisette]

Unlike last year, there will be enough space this year. The only issue with regard to scheduling is that there are going to be at minimum 12 events to run (not counting team events, which people want) and even if you let each community run their own event, it would still likely be a nightmare.

This explains the idea where the major events are started and completed on Saturday, with more minor & team events starting and ending on Sunday for people who stick around. That way people who want the strong 1-day experience can still have it. I admit it's less interesting for spectators, however.

At least for me, events starting/ending on Saturday is nice because I can see most, if not all of a game end on the day when I don't work on the weekend would be good, but I can see how it'd be a bit different for some people, whether at the venue or at home.

 

[Kadey]

Mwhahaha you can't escape the clutches of MS!!!

I admit it. They bribed me with free goodies.

 

[kirblar]

I admit it. They bribed me with free goodies.

So that's where Fubarduck went....

 

[MiniBossBattle]

I love The Run Back Marvel teams. Seeing Rocket Racoon, Strange, Haggar, Firebrand, & IronMan played well is such a treat.

 

[toddhunter]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

As a viewer: (c) As an attendee: (b)

Follow-up

As a viewer: (3) As an attendee: (1)

 

[Sixfortyfive]

something I was always curious about in regards to FGC events is that tournaments are always that... tournaments.

Why not take a major event and set it up like UFC? Head liner fight and undercards, ect.

Invitationals are lame in general simply because there isn't as much of a reason to attend them personally.

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

As an attendee: B, 3

I'm not sure if I agree with the premise of the second question, though. Instead of classifying games as "major" or "minor," I think it would make more sense to classify games by expected overlap (e.g. SF4/MvC3 being in one category, MK/Injustice being another category, GG/P4A/BB as a third, etc). And I would prefer games with expected overlap to be run on the same day.

All of these answers assume that you have ample time and resources to run them like so.

 

[irfaanator]

Important question: Which of the following event schedules is most preferable as an tournament attendee, and which is most preferable as a stream viewer? (Assume at least 2 streams.)

A) A one-day tournament with potentially as many as 15 events (not all streamed).
B) A two-day tournament where all events start and finish on the same day.
C) A two-day tournament where major events start on day 1 with top 8 or top 16 held over until day 2.

Follow-up question: For a two-day weekend tournament where all events start and finish on the same day, which do you prefer as an attendee and which as a stream viewer?

1) Major events to be held on Saturday with minor & team events on Sunday.
2) Minor & team events on Saturday with major events on Sunday.
3) Major events spread evenly across both Saturday and Sunday.

Thank you for any input.

I would say b,1

I was going to split my answer b/w b and c for the first question depending on if I was a pot monster or not, but I think it's better to have a full event on one day since even if you are a pro you don't have to warm up again.

I chose 1 for the second question b/c like it was said earlier, ppl including me have class/work on monday and staying up till 1-2am on sunday sucks.

 

[enzo_gt]

It would be super cool if they unveiled the new KI character at TFC next week. I know it wouldn't be playable, but it'd be cool considering they're demoing there and all.

 

[Tesseract]

repost from stick thread

omg perfect timing

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...tStick-Tournament-Edition/productID.253767700

$100 with free 3-7 day shipping

thank you based markman

 

[Slamtastic]

http://www.twitch.tv/shobugames

Fighting game development going on

featuring newly revealed character female Jedah with Donavan/Zappa floating sword

 

[CurlyW]

Thanks again for all the responses. You've been a huge help.

 

[SolarPowered]

I got to spend some time with DOA5U since they made the free version. Man, I'm getting my ass whooped. I just play too safe and press no buttons. This is my first time playing another fighting game after all play lobbies in SG and it is jarring as hell. Everything is going to need all play lobbies from now on. This is a real game changer.

http://www.twitch.tv/shobugames

Fighting game development going on

featuring newly revealed character female Jedah with Donavan/Zappa floating sword

I just noticed the name is done in VSav style.

neat

 

[Busaiku]

That's not female Jedah.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

What's fearless night? I can't keep track of all these games.

 

[Slamtastic]

Concept for an ultra in Beasts' Fury

 

[Kadey]

Dual AE lobbies. http://www.twitch.tv/kadey1up

Back on live!

 

[Sixfortyfive]

After much testing, it seems that Twitch's recent overhaul effectively cannibalizes stream quality on desktop browsers in favor of making their mobile compatibility slightly less awful. Or at least that's the apparent intent.

Pretty shitty that they're basically forcing CBR now.

 

[kirblar]

After much testing, it seems that Twitch's recent overhaul effectively cannibalizes stream quality on desktop browsers in favor of making their mobile compatibility slightly less awful. Or at least that's the apparent intent.

Pretty shitty that they're basically forcing CBR now.

Jesus.

 

[Nyoro SF]

After much testing, it seems that Twitch's recent overhaul effectively cannibalizes stream quality on desktop browsers in favor of making their mobile compatibility slightly less awful. Or at least that's the apparent intent.

Pretty shitty that they're basically forcing CBR now.

Yeah. The moment it was announced it was RIP to wireless streams.

 

[alstein]

I got to spend some time with DOA5U since they made the free version. Man, I'm getting my ass whooped. I just play too safe and press no buttons. This is my first time playing another fighting game after all play lobbies in SG and it is jarring as hell. Everything is going to need all play lobbies from now on. This is a real game changer.

I just noticed the name is done in VSav style.

neat

the All play lobbies in SG are something that needs to be stolen from Lab Zero- it's such a gamechanger.

And yeah, I'm going on that SG/DOA5U combo right now myself- though my VF background is driving me nuts a bit in DOA because it's a very different game in terms of some basic stuff, though I like the way DOA does some things better.

 

[enzo_gt]

the All play lobbies in SG are something that needs to be stolen from Lab Zero- it's such a gamechanger.

And yeah, I'm going on that SG/DOA5U combo right now myself- though my VF background is driving me nuts a bit in DOA because it's a very different game in terms of some basic stuff, though I like the way DOA does some things better.

I have honestly no idea why anyone hadn't implemented that earlier. I was 100% under the assumption someone had a patent for it and that's why everyone wasn't doing it, even before I saw it in SG.

 

[SloaneRisette]

After much testing, it seems that Twitch's recent overhaul effectively cannibalizes stream quality on desktop browsers in favor of making their mobile compatibility slightly less awful. Or at least that's the apparent intent.

Pretty shitty that they're basically forcing CBR now.

I'm not too knowledgeable on the ins and outs of this stuff, but how exactly does it cannibalize stream quality for desktop?

 

[ShinMaruku]

Twitch can do as it pleases until Youtube starts taking streaming seriously.