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[jj984jj]

The pessimism in this thread is suffocating. ):

This is the internet. Remotely negative news does have this effect. I think this game is not launching anywhere until the second half of 2011 at the earliest though, realistically.

 

[Vinci]

Considering there's been next to no new information on the game for almost a year now... yeah, people are upset.

Also: This is the version of XIII I'm actually interested in. I'd love to see how it's shaping up.

 

[Hex]

This is the internet. Remotely negative news does have this effect. I think this game is not launching anywhere until the second half of 2011 at the earliest though, realistically.

Eh I do not think it has as much to do with that as with the sheer amount of people who get off on drama and genuinely want to see some things fail so that they can use their little gif folders and boost their post count.

FFXIII is not even out yet, and people are getting all aggro about Versus.
Let FFXIII have the spotlight for a short time at least before moving on.

 

[Cornbread78]

Considering there's been next to no new information on the game for almost a year now... yeah, people are upset.

Exactly people have high hopes for this game and the perceived action RPG element of it. KH's battle system? maybe.... if so EXCELLANT! A dark, dark bloody adult audience FF branded game excellant! Forget the "teanage spikey haired hero" (my buddy loves to call it that) hero saves the world for a moment and imagine an ADULT themed game. Could go far for mature audiencess. So many questions that we want answers to, I mean, this is just to tide us over until KH3 is finally announced anyhow for the action department.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Exactly people have high hopes for this game and the perceived action RPG element of it. KH's battle system? maybe.... if so EXCELLANT! A dark, dark bloody adult audience FF branded game excellant! Forget the "teanage spikey haired hero" (my buddy loves to call it that) hero saves the world for a moment and imagine an ADULT themed game. Could go far for mature audiencess. So many questions that we want answers to, I mean, this is just to tide us over until KH3 is finally announced anyhow for the action department.

Square has dived into Mature-themed games before, they were just never popular. Which is exactly what could happen with Versus XIII.

Don't bet that a bloody, mature-themed game is gonna sell even half as well as something like vanilla FFXIII.

 

[badcrumble]

I don't think we necessarily know that Versus will be 'mature' simply because we saw blood in a prerendered concept video. What we do know is that it's going to be stylish as fuck, based on the art so far, the music so far, and the cutscene director they've got.

OTOH, Versus seems to be aiming for Romeo & Juliet, plus political intrigue, plus crazy anime battles, plus shonen friends, so who knows.

 

[stay gold]

Old school map & airship was the main reason I care about this game.

 

[RustyNails]

Well, Versus already had a its debut alongside XIII during E3 2006. I'm pretty sure it will be shown at TGS 2010, which is usually 3 months after E3.

 

[Kagari]

Well, Versus already had a its debut alongside XIII during E3 2006. I'm pretty sure it will be shown at TGS 2010, which is usually 3 months after E3.

Like I said, I think it will still be there in some form. Nomura said it wasn't going to be at TGS 2009 and it was briefly.

 

[paperheart]

Final Fantasy Versus XIII being like Final Fantasy XII would be so so good. I loved exploring in Final Fantasy XII, and it felt like a real world to me. So greatly detailed and very interesting. Versus should definitely be this generation's Final Fantasy XII, with a better story. The possibilities, gosh, just the thought is getting me all excited. I have faith in you Nomura, don't let me down.

 

[RoboPlato]

Maybe they'll go for a Mass Effect 2 style world map where you have an airship that you fly to various labeled points. I think that might be a decent compromise.

 

[Talon]

Final Fantasy Versus XIII being like Final Fantasy XII would be so so good. I loved exploring in Final Fantasy XII, and it felt like a real world to me. So greatly detailed and very interesting. Versus should definitely be this generation's Final Fantasy XII, with more zippers. The possibilities, gosh, just the thought is getting me all excited. I have faith in you Nomura, don't let me down.

In all seriousness, I'd love to see FFVXIII ape the exploration in FFXII. Maybe reduce the desolation a little bit, but it was still an expansive world.

 

[Scythesurge]

Maybe they'll go for a Mass Effect 2 style world map where you have an airship that you fly to various labeled points. I think that might be a decent compromise.

Personally I like to dream big, which ironically means I think back to the old days of games where I could actually fly an airship all over the world (map).

 

[Dresden]

Maybe they'll go for a Mass Effect 2 style world map where you have an airship that you fly to various labeled points. I think that might be a decent compromise.

That's basically menu-driven exploration with prettier menus. People are still going to scream bloody murder about the dumbing down of RPGs while posting shots of DQVIII.

 

[RoboPlato]

Personally I like to dream big, which ironically means I think back to the old days of games where I could actually fly an airship all over the world (map).

Since it sounds like that's exactly what they had and cut, I'm hoping that at least something like I mentioned gets through. It'll probably be FFX style or something though.

 

[Vinci]

Final Fantasy Versus XIII being like Final Fantasy XII would be so so good. I loved exploring in Final Fantasy XII, and it felt like a real world to me. So greatly detailed and very interesting. Versus should definitely be this generation's Final Fantasy XII, with a better story. The possibilities, gosh, just the thought is getting me all excited. I have faith in you Nomura, don't let me down.

As a Matsuno fan, I'm going to assume you don't know how XII's story was butchered by S-E and also assume that you didn't just claim Nomura is superior to Matsuno in storytelling in any capacity. I'm going to assume these things because otherwise I would have to kill you.

 

[Kagari]

I have to wonder how far along the game is. It's obvious Nomura is aiming for high quality, so no doubt he's been tweaking and revising the game...

 

[Scythesurge]

I have to wonder how far along the game is. It's obvious Nomura is aiming for high quality, so no doubt he's been tweaking and revising the game...

He must have been pretty far if he was going to show world map and everything at E3, but who knows now.

 

[major_killjoy]

As a Matsuno fan, I'm going to assume you don't know how XII's story was butchered by S-E and also assume that you didn't just claim Nomura is superior to Matsuno in storytelling in any capacity. I'm going to assume these things because otherwise I would have to kill you.

^Greatest injustice in video gaming. FFXII could have been this gen's FFVI.

 

[Kagari]

He must have been pretty far if he was going to show world map and everything at E3, but who knows now.

Assuming development started in 2006...

 

[Kuraudo]

As a Matsuno fan, I'm going to assume you don't know how XII's story was butchered by S-E and also assume that you didn't just claim Nomura is superior to Matsuno in storytelling in any capacity. I'm going to assume these things because otherwise I would have to kill you.

Uh, he's judging the existing FFXII, not the magical potential FFXII we never received.

 

[Cynar]

It's hard to make HD world maps

:lol

 

[Vinci]

Uh, he's judging the existing FFXII, not the magical potential FFXII we never received.

Still important to point out. Even if Nomura has ambitious plans for Versus, there's no guarantee we'll get what he wants either - just like XII then. So he might be more right than he realizes.

 

[kitzkozan]

You do realize that FF13's first day sales are the lowest since FF3 on the nes right?

How does that not prove my point? Yes, consoles are more expensive; and yes, Japan isn't really console based anymore.

But going along with all these comments in recent weeks, coupled with all the shit and bad press FF13 is getting, you can bet your ass people won't be willing to continue to come back when they have to wait 4 years for mediocrity.

Look at Tony Hawk. Records broken, million seller, now look at it. Barely able to keep up.

Every franchise has its circle and FF needs to buckle down right now or it's hell bent on losing a chunk of its audience.

I have a feeling that it's already happening,since my friends stopped caring for FF a long time ago.Now I've lost interest as well and while Square-Enix doesn't care about anyone past the teenage stage,they won't be able to continually renew their fanbase.

Most teenagers in the west will be raised on western game and rpg,so it's going to be much harder to renew the interest,especially if critics start ripping to shred FF.

 

[Scythesurge]

Assuming development started in 2006...

Wasn't a significant portion of the Vs. team also working on FFXIII? From what I understood, they spent most of the time focusing on finishing XIII before going to work on vs.?

 

[Kagari]

Wasn't a significant portion of the Vs. team also working on FFXIII? From what I understood, they spent most of the time focusing on finishing XIII before going to work on vs.?

I believe some of them were helping on it, yes. Now that XIII is complete, they've all gone to help finish Versus XIII.

 

[kitzkozan]

Maybe they'll go for a Mass Effect 2 style world map where you have an airship that you fly to various labeled points. I think that might be a decent compromise.

It make sense in Mass effect 2 since it's in space and there's a lot of empty space and travel time from point a to b. It's nowhere near as fun in Dragon agerigins however.I would feel cheated out of a big part of the world,but if it's the only way to make it work ( one of the biggest criticism toward dragon age has been the lack of a world map).

Ironically enough,I was one of those who had to use the DQ VIII world map on the Bioware Dragon agerigins message boards as an example of 3D world+linear story. :lol

 

[Vinci]

I have a feeling that it's already happening,since my friends stopped caring for FF a long time ago.Now I've lost interest as well and while Square-Enix doesn't care about anyone past the teenage stage,they won't be able to continually renew their fanbase.

The problem is that S-E focuses so heavily on their fanbase rather than attempting to create something that anyone and everyone could enjoy or be interested in. DQ and Pokemon, for example, both do this. They're games, not cinematic experiences.

 

[Scythesurge]

I believe some of them were helping on it, yes. Now that XIII is complete, they've all gone to help finish Versus XIII.

Maybe that's why they're changing the world map. :lol

Nomura: "Hey guys, now you can help me finish this world map I've been making!"

XIII Team: "Nah no thx, world maps are so 8-bit. We need to do some major changes!"

Nomura: "...ok?"

 

[Kagari]

Maybe that's why they're changing the world map. :lol

Nomura: "Hey guys, now you can help me finish this world map I've been making!"

XIII Team: "Nah no thx, world maps are so 8-bit. We need to do some major changes!"

Nomura: "...ok?"

:lol

 

[gamergirly]

The problem is that S-E focuses so heavily on their fanbase rather than attempting to create something that anyone and everyone could enjoy or be interested in. DQ and Pokemon, for example, both do this. They're games, not cinematic experiences.

I'm not even sure if they honestly do that. They seem to be more influenced by the Movie industry than their fans these days.

 

[Dresden]

Maybe that's why they're changing the world map. :lol

Nomura: "Hey guys, now you can help me finish this world map I've been making!"

XIII Team: "Nah no thx, world maps are so 8-bit. We need to do some major changes!"

Nomura: "...ok?"

Oh, dear. :lol

Nomura just can't win. Zippers aside, I like him, even.

 

[Khrno]

I'd rather have a full display of Agito, and to be released at the beginning of next year, then Versus can headline E3-11 and be released later that year.

 

[Regulus Tera]

The merger?

They have been going steadily downhill ever since they lost the Squaresoft name. I doubt their pumping out of upgraded old FF games has helped with their current gen games either.

To be fair, the merger is the only reason they are still in business after the The Spirits Within fiasco.

 

[badcrumble]

Maybe that's why they're changing the world map. :lol

Nomura: "Hey guys, now you can help me finish this world map I've been making!"

XIII Team: "Nah no thx, world maps are so 8-bit. We need to do some major changes!"

Nomura: "...ok?"

:lol

On the other hand...

Nomura: "Like Kingdom Hearts, you fight enemies right in the environment, without any transition to a separate battle screen, and there's unique, subtly transitioned battle music for each area of the game instead of one song for every single regular battle!"

FFXIII Team: "...let's not get ahead of ourselves, trailblazer."

 

[Vinci]

I'm not even sure if they honestly do that. They seem to be more influenced by the Movie industry than their fans these days.

Where do you think the movie industry stuff comes from? FF VII. After that game, they have gradually grown more and more directed towards the fans who bought it. As popular as it is, VII really screwed up their focus as a developer.

 

[Scythesurge]

:lol

On the other hand...

Nomura: "Like Kingdom Hearts, you fight enemies right in the environment, without any transition to a separate battle screen, and there's unique, subtly transitioned battle music for each area of the game instead of one song for every single regular battle!"

FFXIII Team: "...let's not get ahead of ourselves, trailblazer."

Man your post got TWEWY music going through my head, so I must thank you for that!

Btw your situation is probably more realistic than mine. :lol

 

[Jet Grind Radio!]

Aww...I was looking forward to this more than Vanilla XIII. Ah, well. Hopefully there are some new screens or a trailer for E3.

 

[paperheart]

As a Matsuno fan, I'm going to assume you don't know how XII's story was butchered by S-E and also assume that you didn't just claim Nomura is superior to Matsuno in storytelling in any capacity. I'm going to assume these things because otherwise I would have to kill you.

Oh trust me, I know. The story that we got in XII didn't interest me one bit. I know, though, that if S-E would have let it be what Matsuno wanted it to be, then it would have been way better story wise. Just think, I loved everything about FFXII, besides the story. If the story would have been amazing, it would have been the best game ever created, imo. One thing is for sure, whoever localized FFXII, did great with the translating. I want that person translating Versus. I forgot his name... Alexander O'Smith maybe? Oh, and they also better hire great voice actors for Versus. If not... then, I will be very disappointed.

 

[Kagari]

Oh trust me, I know. The story that we got in XII didn't interest me one bit. I know, though, that if S-E would have let it be what Matsuno wanted it to be, then it would have been way better story wise. Just think, I loved everything about FFXII, besides the story. If the story would have been amazing, it would have been the best game ever created, imo. One thing is for sure, whoever localized FFXII, did great with the translating. I want that person translating Versus. I forgot his name... Alexander O'Smith maybe? Oh, and they also better hire great voice actors for Versus. If not... then, I will be very disappointed.

I can only hope they do a much better job with Versus XIII localization than what I've seen of XIII's. IE, Versus better not have any vocal songs for them to screw up.

 

[badcrumble]

I can only hope they do a much better job with Versus XIII localization than what I've seen of XIII's. IE, Versus better not have any vocal songs for them to screw up.

There's the song from the original trailer, but that's in Latin... if they turn that to English for the NA version, that'd be the most condescending thing ever :lol

 

[Kagari]

There's the song from the original trailer, but that's in Latin... if they turn that to English for the NA version, that'd be the most condescending thing ever :lol

D: Don't give them ideas!

 

[Vinci]

Oh trust me, I know. The story that we got in XII didn't interest me one bit. I know, though, that if S-E would have let it be what Matsuno wanted it to be, then it would have been way better story wise. Just think, I loved everything about FFXII, besides the story. If the story would have been amazing, it would have been the best game ever created, imo. One thing is for sure, whoever localized FFXII, did great with the translating. I want that person translating Versus. I forgot his name... Alexander O'Smith maybe? Oh, and they also better hire great voice actors for Versus. If not... then, I will be very disappointed.

Cool, cool. FWIW, I'm really quite excited for Versus. I just hope Nomura gets to make the game he wants.

 

[MasterTeacher]

if sony published this title we woulden't have this problem square!

 

[Kagari]

Cool, cool. FWIW, I'm really quite excited for Versus. I just hope Nomura gets to make the game he wants.

I think that's why it's taking so long.

 

[Khrno]

if sony published this title we woulden't have this problem square!

Why would.. I don't even..

 

[RpgN]

Aren't you guys exaggerating for now? Some Japanese fans are speculating that the switch was FFVII and that it might have been changed to FFVIII's style instead. In any case, it doesn't sound like he's saying he 's getting rid of a world map in the game.

 

[Zoe]

Aren't you guys exaggerating for now? Some Japanese fans are speculating that the switch was FFVII and that it might have been changed to FFVIII's style instead. In any case, it doesn't sound like he's saying he 's getting rid of a world map in the game.

That isn't really drastic enough to set development back so much.

 

[Kagari]

Aren't you guys exaggerating for now? Some Japanese fans are speculating that the switch was FFVII and that it might have been changed to FFVIII's style instead. In any case, it doesn't sound like he's saying he 's getting rid of a world map in the game.

Exactly.

 

[RpgN]

That isn't really drastic enough to set development back so much.

Agreed. Those are still speculations, I hope once the game is revealed we get to see early comparison of how the world map looked like before he decided to change it. Maybe it takes time for the style he had in mind where they might have to render towns and proportions from scratch? But people fearing that it means the world map is gone, is a little far-fetched. If it comes to the worse, it might be like FFXII (I don't mean worse as in bad, but the biggest change possible that doesn't feel like an old school world map).