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Final Fantasy XIII Information Thread | March 9, 2010 NA/EU

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imtehman said:
The sand sea, plus the many hours in the guild hunt, plus updated gilgamesh theme, FFXII is everything any FF fan wants
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Unless you want generic anime crap. :/

Or a fully developed party members. :lol
 
inner-G said:
Unless you want a coherent story, likable characters or turn-based battles, yes it is.
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i see you having tidus as your avatar, but really, what's so likable about wakka, lulu, and kimari(with thier horrid voice acting) that guys like basch and balthier cant compare to?
 
inner-G said:
Unless you want a coherent story, likable characters or turn-based battles, yes it is.
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The story may have been bad(see. unfinished) but it was definitely coherent.

So Wakka is cool while Balthier and Basch are unlikable?

Heh.

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Edit: Stop making me talk about XII you bastards!

Also, stop being wrong on the internet.
 
imtehman said:
i see you having tidus as your avatar, but really, what's so likable about wakka, lulu, and kimari(with thier horrid voice acting) that guys like basch and balthier cant compare to?
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Maybe I could just relate to them better, due to the dialog. I dunno, the cast of XII never grew on me. They weren't likable to me, whereas, the cast of X is my most liked cast of any FF. I don't know that I could point to any certain reasons why, maybe the generic animu story?

Either way, the cast of XIII looks to be FAR more like X than XII, so that make me very happy.

Also no stupid 'markwiss' accents and all that crap. I actually liked XII a lot more on the International version, I think the English voices may have been a big reason I didn't like it.

Theme song aside, the English VA in XIII seems to be a decent jump in quality from XII imo.
 
I know GAF splooges for XII, but I though the VA was dry and boring.

I like my video games VA's to be more like anime dubs. Persona 4 did it perfectly.

XIII seems to be doing it pretty well also. Sazh is really awesome in Eng.
 
inner-G said:
Theme song aside, the English VA in XIII seems to be a decent jump in quality from XII imo.
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WTF? :lol :lol :lol :lol

inner-G said:
I like my video games VA's to be more like anime dubs.
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So a bunch of random generic Americans reading the dialogue with all the professionalism of a high school play.
 
Solo said:
Intangibles? I dunno. All I know is that I got varying degrees of enjoyment from VII to X, and none since.
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INTANGIBLES?! Great, you just reminded me of my favorite dead blog in the world www.firejoemorgan.com :(

inner-G said:
I know GAF splooges for XII, but I though the VA was dry and boring.

I like my video games VA's to be more like anime dubs. Persona 4 did it perfectly.
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You want every single video game to have dubs similar to Persona 4?
MAAAAAAAAAAARIIIIIIIIIIIIA-CHAAAAAAAAAN!
 
Gravijah said:
You want every single video game to have dubs similar to Persona 4?
MAAAAAAAAAAARIIIIIIIIIIIIA-CHAAAAAAAAAN!
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Not with honorifics -_-


I mean exaggerated. XII felt like people reading off a script at a play rehearsal or something.

Games are the best when they're a little over-the-top and not trying to be realistic.
 
inner-G said:
Not with honorifics -_-


I mean exaggerated. XII felt like people reading off a script at a play rehearsal or something.

Games are the best when they're a little over-the-top and not trying to be realistic.
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And Persona 4/other jRPG's sound like 9 year olds during recess acting out their fave scenes from Dragonball Z.
 
inner-G said:
Not with honorifics -_-


I mean exaggerated. XII felt like people reading off a script at a play rehearsal or something.

Games are the best when they're a little over-the-top and not trying to be realistic.
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There's room for both imo though I could see why you would prefer one. I'd rather a world with both.
 
XII had great voice acting>:|

Keep your SO4 voice acting in your polka-dotted panties drawer!
 
inner-G said:
\I mean exaggerated. XII felt like people reading off a script at a play rehearsal or something.

Games are the best when they're a little over-the-top and not trying to be realistic.
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You mean the characters sounds like unique voices from a fantasy world instead of your buddies from school.

I have no problem with a "non-Shakespearean" FF dialogue either... but my issue is that the dialogue in FFX was badly recorded, and the trailers for FFXIII sounds the same. Worse than saturday morning cartoon quality... it sounds just like a shitty "dub". They would never release a CG film with this artificiality of dialogue.
 
I don't have a huge problem with the more anime-style dialogue myself; it sucks, and I acknowledge that, but I get over it. However I was blown away by FFXII's VA quality and would like to see it handled that way more often instead of over the top Japanese ANIMUUUUUU!!!!!
 
BocoDragon said:
You mean the characters sounds like unique voices from a fantasy world instead of your buddies from school.
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I don't think that just because someone has a European accent that it makes them 'sound like unique voices from a fantasy world', no.
 
I liked P4's VA, but they are two totally different settings. FFXII's VA was top notch and it fit very well (not all the characters had a european accent either). It would be silly if FFXII characters sounded like a bunch of highschoolers.
 
inner-G said:
I don't think that just because someone has a European accent that it makes them 'sound like unique voices from a fantasy world', no.
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Also what's with the accent hate?

So a setting based off of Europe and parts of Eurasia can't have accents from, well, Europe and parts of Eurasia?

You must hate Vanille and Fang already.

And hating Fang is unacceptable.
 
Fimbulvetr said:
Also what's with the accent hate?

So a setting based off of Europe and parts of Eurasia can't have accents from, well, Europe and parts of Eurasia?

You must hate Vanille and Fang already.

And hating Fang is unacceptable.
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Am I allowed to be disappointed with her design?
 
inner-G said:
I don't think that just because someone has a European accent that it makes them 'sound like unique voices from a fantasy world', no.
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It's not accents... it's writing (of the fantasy type which shouldn't be in every FF game, but was perfect for a Matsuno game) and it's acting (which was high quality in FFXII.. the dialogue was well spoken and sounded natural within the confines of the game world)

Another way to put it: FFX and now FFXIII have dialogue that sounds like it's from a Star Wars Prequel. It sounded unnatural in those films because they were filming in front of CG screens and the voice direction was likely crap. The modern FF dubs sound similarly artificial. It sounds like a bad anime or videogame dub... all awkward pauses and inappropriate emotions.. it doesn't sound like a Pixar film or something. FFXII, on the other hand, had voices which were quality enough to release as a film in theaters.
 
Fimbulvetr said:
Also what's with the accent hate?
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It seemed forced and unnecessary in XII. Like Matsuno was just trying to be as pretentious as he could, making 'his' game feel sophisticated (kind of like Vagrant Story), while at the same time shitting on what many people liked about the series.
 
inner-G said:
It seemed forced and unnecessary in XII. Like Matsuno was just trying to be as pretentious as he could, making 'his' game feel sophisticated (kind of like Vagrant Story), while at the same time shitting on what many people liked about the series.
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... What exactly was shat on?
 
BocoDragon said:
Another way to put it: FFX and now FFXIII have dialogue that sounds like it's from a Star Wars Prequel. It sounded unnatural in those films because they were filming in front of CG screens and the voice direction was likely crap. The modern FF dubs sound similarly artificial. It sounds like a bad anime or videogame dub... all awkward pauses and inappropriate emotions.. it doesn't sound like a Pixar film or something. FFXII, on the other hand, had voices which were quality enough to release as a film in theaters.
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Well, all I can say is that I'm more concerned with actually liking a game than it having 'movie quality acting' or whatever.

The voices in XII did absolutely nothing to draw me in, regardless of how well they were recorded. The ones in XIII do.

I am fully aware that I am in the minority on this, at least on NeoGAF.
 
XII VA was good, for it's theme anyways. But the low quality sound really hurt any immersion, you can practically hear the echo in the studio.
 
I'm with inner-G on this one. Persona 4 had excellent voice acting. There were a few awkward scenes ("Aha, is this our chance?") but it was great for the most part and had a fantastic cast.

I'm not saying Snow needs to act like Kanji (same VA) but the acting should be representative of the world the VAs are acting for.
 
Stuff I like so far in FFXIII:
1) Characters, especially Lightning but also Snow and Szah.
2) Speed of the battle system. Feels very involved while still being turn based.
3) Graphical upgrade from the old games. It's a huge, huge jump in most cases.
4) Most of the soundtrack I've heard so far.
5) Pulse Chocobo's. Love em!

Stuff I don't like so far in FFXIII:
1) The transforming summons don't (at this point) feel like they fit with what we've seen of the rest of the world. Maybe they will make better sense when we see them in context?
2) Related to No.1 but some of the designs of the summons are just not doing it for me.
3) Decisions related to VA and Soundtrack. I want the most feature complete and "truest" FFXIII experience (as envisioned by the developers who are of course Japanese) and that means Japanese VA option and OST. It's disappointing that we aren't getting either despite the fact that the PS3 version probably could have had space for it.

Stuff I am neither here nor there on:
1) The Story. Sounds convoluted but without knowing more it could work or it could turn out to be a big mess.
2) The English VA. So far it doesnt sound great but that doesnt mean that it wont be better mixed and performed for the final release in March.
 
matmanx1 said:
Stuff I don't like so far in FFXIII:
1) The transforming summons don't (at this point) feel like they fit with what we've seen of the rest of the world. Maybe they will make better sense when we see them in context?
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Some of them may not be designed well but I don't see how they don't fit.
 
matmanx1 said:
3) Decisions related to VA and Soundtrack. I want the most feature complete and "truest" FFXIII experience (as envisioned by the developers who are of course Japanese) and that means Japanese VA option and OST. It's disappointing that we aren't getting either despite the fact that the PS3 version probably could have had space for it.
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I thought the only thing about the OST that changed was JPOP, which is great. Since when did you have to have a Japanese VA option to have a true FF XIII experience?
 
cosmicblizzard said:
I'm with inner-G on this one. Persona 4 had excellent voice acting. There were a few awkward scenes ("Aha, is this our chance?") but it was great for the most part and had a fantastic cast.

I'm not saying Snow needs to act like Kanji (same VA) but the acting should be representative of the world the VAs are acting for.
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But the acting in XII did fit, so I don't see the problem.

Shadowlink said:
I thought the only thing about the OST that changed was JPOP, which is great. Since when did you have to have a Japanese VA option to have a true FF XIII experience?
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Ugh, don't get me started on this.
 
as always, GAF shows me that someone holds an opinion for everything. Thanks Inner-G for showing me once again that, yes, opinions can be wrong.
 
Fimbulvetr said:
But the acting in XII did fit, so I don't see the problem.
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I'm not arguing with that. I'm just agreeing with inner-G that I found the XII voice acting really boring
which fits because I found the story boring as well
. I was so close to muting it every time Fran opened her mouth. Cidofolus and Balthier were the only redeemable ones in the game for me.

As for XIII, there hasn't been a voice I don't like so far. I think it's because I can actually recognize a lot of the VAs here. I'm hoping JYB has a role.
 
Fimbulvetr said:
Ugh, don't get me started on this.
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Well I can see what matmanx1 is saying. I'd use Japanese VA if it were in the game but I wouldn't say that it is a true experience to play it in Japanese. I think the English VA would be fine! I'm just worried about the cheesiness of the script. =/
 
cosmicblizzard said:
As for XIII, there hasn't been a voice I don't like so far. I think it's because I can actually recognize a lot of the VAs here. I'm hoping JYB has a role.
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This seriously isn't a joke post? Why would you ever wish JYB upon yourself?
 
Green Mamba said:
This seriously isn't a joke post? Why would you ever wish JYB upon yourself?
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Familiarity. I've gotten used to his voice and it doesn't feel right when I play a JRPG without him in it. I also like that his crappy range makes it incredibly easy to recognize him.

He's a good actor, he just has no range.

Fimbulvetr said:
What the fuck is JYB?

I googled it/him/her(?) and got a belt manufacturer. :lol
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Johnny Yong Bosch. Main character and Adachi in Persona 4.
 
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