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Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 plans announced (PS3 in Q1 2013, Sub Fees Return This November)
- Thread starter Thoraxes
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RomanticHeroX
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Wait, 2.0 doesn't come for a year after subscriptions start? It's not going to survive that long, this move will just kill it.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
Wow those PDFs at the bottom are fucking fantastic. They're really brutal about the issues in v1 on the Outline PDF.
FF14 team, I like your honesty.
FF14 team, I like your honesty.
Conrad Link
Member
If the guys in charge of it now are the ones that made Abyssea in FFXI then I have full confidence they can turn it around and make something that is fun (I just want XI-2 lol, I would have been happy with that). The game is already REALLY pretty, always was, just need it to be fun/playable.
Having said that, I've logged in like once or twice since the launch debacle and I just can't bring myself to care. Will not be giving them donations while they still work on it, my account will be stopped soon and I'll try again at PS3 launch like I always said I would.
Having said that, I've logged in like once or twice since the launch debacle and I just can't bring myself to care. Will not be giving them donations while they still work on it, my account will be stopped soon and I'll try again at PS3 launch like I always said I would.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
For those who can't see the PDFs
Am excite
Am excite
Conrad Link
Member
Meanwhile FFXI is a pile of shit now because they're all working on XIV obviously. Yet after 8 years of playing I just can't bring myself to stop my account. 
IonicSnake
Banned
duckroll said:
I don't know if you're joking or not but that actually make some sense. Wouldn't be surprised if they did end up killing it sometime next year.
Riposte
Member
IonicSnake said:
That doesn't make any sense at all.
EDIT: Maybe appropriate to fit in the latest "Letter from the Producer"? Came out the same day? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/27142?p=390333#post390333
Yeah, from Wada's message it sounded more like "We need your money now before we lose our second kidney and we die, but please keep playing."
To be fair to them, since Yoshida took over, you can feel the love coming from him and the newer team. He really seems to care and is a very nice man. He really wants the game to be the best that it can, and in his community involvement (as well as their CMs) you can tell they really care about a turn-around.
They also seem to be taking player feedback to heart, which the old team definitely did not give a shit at all. I'm hopeful, and though I still play, I probably will continue to just to see what crazy direction the game goes in next. It's been quite the ride, especially when every patch since Yoshida has been almost a whole new game.
To be fair to them, since Yoshida took over, you can feel the love coming from him and the newer team. He really seems to care and is a very nice man. He really wants the game to be the best that it can, and in his community involvement (as well as their CMs) you can tell they really care about a turn-around.
They also seem to be taking player feedback to heart, which the old team definitely did not give a shit at all. I'm hopeful, and though I still play, I probably will continue to just to see what crazy direction the game goes in next. It's been quite the ride, especially when every patch since Yoshida has been almost a whole new game.
I kind of have trouble feeling for them when they have $1.39 billion in cash in the bank: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SQNXF.PK+Key+StatisticsThoraxes said:
Alex
Member
1.37 billion of which will be spent on FFXIV before it is canceled!
Jokes aside I think they'll at least wind up with a 2012 MMO equivalent to the quality they had in 2003 for FFXI, so they'll probably have a acceptable, cult project in the end. I do feel like it's such a waste to blow their big chance at this massive relaunch though. One in which they put novelty mustache on the box and call it Final Fantasy XV.
The work and outlining the team has put in is admirable, and honestly it's gone further than I figured it would, but the game was just so.... non-existant? at launch, they have so much more work to go. I'd love to hear a post mortem on this game some day, they could probably write an entire book about it.
Jokes aside I think they'll at least wind up with a 2012 MMO equivalent to the quality they had in 2003 for FFXI, so they'll probably have a acceptable, cult project in the end. I do feel like it's such a waste to blow their big chance at this massive relaunch though. One in which they put novelty mustache on the box and call it Final Fantasy XV.
The work and outlining the team has put in is admirable, and honestly it's gone further than I figured it would, but the game was just so.... non-existant? at launch, they have so much more work to go. I'd love to hear a post mortem on this game some day, they could probably write an entire book about it.
which would go on to outsell the game
You know, with both Minagawa and Yoshida working hard on FFXIV, and with all the effort and money and time going into remaking FFXIV into a successful product, it could well be that FFXIV 2.0 is the closest we will ever get to seeing what is essentially a FFXII MMO. I hope they actually get if off the ground eventually. I'll like to play it.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
At first I was "oh Q1 2012"
but after having another look "WHAT 2013!!!!!!!"
but after having another look "WHAT 2013!!!!!!!"
You'd be surprised. Some of the content we've gotten in patches are things that current MMOs get in whole expansions. The restructuring really worked wonders, and that team is definitely busting their asses to make all this work.RuGalz said:
As for what duckroll said, yeah, I completely agree.
Don't worry, you'll be able to buy the HD HD-remake of the game.BKK said:
Riposte
Member
duckroll said:
As far as I am concerned, if they add a gambit system(controlled through macros) with NPC party members and a (optional, since people are wimps) level cap system to quests and missions, this will shoot up the list as one of my favorite Final Fantasys(it already is aesthetically). Doesn't seem to be a focus unfortunately, despite wanting to have a Final Fantasy-feel. The NPC party thing would be really good idea for long-term success though. Inviting to single-player centric Final Fantasy fans(create a 40 dollar value subscription pack to emulate a regular game purchase) and a mechanic which has never been done quite right in MMOs and would make it stand out. (Ideally small parties would mean players would still have to intermingle for endgame content.)
Pet chocobos fighting in battle at least show potential for the game to grow in that direction.
So, I've looked through the roadmap, and one thing's bothering me:
What's actually *in* 2.0?
WoW uses its large version numbers for each expansion (1.0 was vanilla, 2.0 was The Burning Crusade, 3.0 was Wrath of the Lich King, 4.0 was Cataclysm), and each expansion in turn is used as a mini-relaunch - gear reset, more levels to push through, new ways to start a character.
Clearly FF14 2.0 is intended as a relaunch, that much is obvious - but what's the content to go with it? This *reads* like it's *just* a relaunch, without actually all that much difference from 1.23 to 2.0 - other than the influx of PS3 players.
What's actually *in* 2.0?
WoW uses its large version numbers for each expansion (1.0 was vanilla, 2.0 was The Burning Crusade, 3.0 was Wrath of the Lich King, 4.0 was Cataclysm), and each expansion in turn is used as a mini-relaunch - gear reset, more levels to push through, new ways to start a character.
Clearly FF14 2.0 is intended as a relaunch, that much is obvious - but what's the content to go with it? This *reads* like it's *just* a relaunch, without actually all that much difference from 1.23 to 2.0 - other than the influx of PS3 players.
Nose Master
Member
Square with the genius decisions, as always.
EDIT:
Why I oughtta
EDIT:
Billychu said:
Why I oughtta
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Why not:
- Rename Final Fantasy XIV "Final Fantasy MMO Test 02"
- Rename Final Fantasy Versus XIII 'Final Fantasy XIV - We're sorry'
- Pretend that the original FFXIV never happened.
I don't think it's a smart thing to say "we need more time to meet the high standards" to then say "but you'll have to pay us soon". My hype for this game is completely gone. I have not played it because I was waiting for the PS3 version but I'm also kind of over the "I need to try a MMORPG"-thing. Would have bought a year ago, for sure. Late 2012 or early 2013? Not so much...
Riposte
Member
Gez said:
There is a decent chance the Japanese will pay for this(at least after 2.0 lol). It doesn't seem to be a good idea at all to make a MMO with a monthly fee in the west. It is interesting that FFXI has managed to be both consistent and stable with a monthly fee though, to this very day(and it launched before WoW and all the "WoW Killers").
EDIT: Then again the Japanese would probably pay for something 2 to 8 player with online co-op lol.
I don't mind to pay.
I like the game, well it have this flags and missing the magic of XI.
The subscription come again with the release of jobs, and in February the private rooms (Inns).
Yeah with content they can fell the gap of time till next year.
I like the game, well it have this flags and missing the magic of XI.
The subscription come again with the release of jobs, and in February the private rooms (Inns).
Yeah with content they can fell the gap of time till next year.
ok this is confusing, why should we pay a subscription for a half finished game. also we have to wait at least a year to even get to 2.00
and we don't even know if 2.00 can be delivered on time, this is just a roadmap, it doesn't mean shit, anything can change in along the way.
this really feels like we are helping them designing the game + paying for them as well. I mean if bandwidth is too much of a concern then might as well shut down the current servers, put the game on indefinite hold and focus on beta testing on a selected group of players.
do a complete relaunch, market it to newer players, dont expect to get back early adapters.
and we don't even know if 2.00 can be delivered on time, this is just a roadmap, it doesn't mean shit, anything can change in along the way.
this really feels like we are helping them designing the game + paying for them as well. I mean if bandwidth is too much of a concern then might as well shut down the current servers, put the game on indefinite hold and focus on beta testing on a selected group of players.
do a complete relaunch, market it to newer players, dont expect to get back early adapters.
Jonnyram said:
What's been great is how they've been doing this with current XIV too. They've explained all the mob and system changes all with story explanations. I cannot wait until August to see what leads up to this new Eorzea.
hteng said:
So far they've been following the roadmap pretty well. We're well on our way to 1.20 next month.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
They have fucked this so massively that its hard to even comprehend. The sheer marketing disaster of having to brand something a 2.0 version to bring people onboard is one thing, to then reveal it won't reach that level until like the end of 2012 is even more hilarious. The message just seems so clear: "if you want the complete game we're making, wait until like 2013".
I don't know whether to admire their stubbornness on not cutting their losses or chew them out for wasting resources on this shit and not just making something new.
I don't know whether to admire their stubbornness on not cutting their losses or chew them out for wasting resources on this shit and not just making something new.
I should be doing hw
Member
I'll probably get this after a year, see where they go with it and if they can get this back on track. I really hope they do, the art and graphics are phenomenal.
Shouta
Member
Gez said:
Because they wanted to emulate FFXI's stable success. FFXI is/was a huge source of stable income for them and having a second MMO to do that would allow them to continue doing what they wanted despite sales dropping over in comparison to 2 generations ago or even last generation.
Unfortunately, they had Tanaka working on XIV which basically meant they were doing minimum work and maximizing the booze and hookers.
kiryogi said:
anything can happen in a span of 1 year, i'm not saying they won't try to stay on schedule but i'm crossing my fingers they can deliver 2.0 early 2013.
roadmaps, almost no one keeps to it.
what really ticked me off was the subscription, the game while has been improved alot still does not perform on par with current expectations. If possible i'll most likely freeze my account when subscription starts, if not possible then i'll just give up the game all togather.