Blackleg-sanji1
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Like..What? Have you even played the game yet? Sigh this is one of those bookmark threads for sure
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Final Fantasy XV needs to sell 10 million units to succeed in team's goal
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Graphics Horse
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let me finish editing first
BumblebeeCody
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Sounds like a reasonable expectation
Maintenance
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You won't get that milestone with PS4/X1 only.
YuriLowell
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7 Million is more realistic.
cartographer
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It just doesn't seem worth it to spend the resources required to develop an in-house engine for these big mainstream releases. The exception is companies like EA that have the resources to develop and support these engines so that they can be used across multiple studios.
SE's Japanese studios seem to be embracing UE4 for these type of projects and I'm guessing that's going to be a lot less draining on their finances, even after royalties.
StereoVsn
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Well, let's science the @&$) out of these sales. This is without PC release and up to say spring 2017.
Here are my thoughts on the possible sales:
- Japan: 1 - 1.5 million (1 is much more likely)
- Rest of Asia/China: 1 million? (frankly no idea, wild guess)
- Everything else not including Asia, Europe and NA: ~ 1 million
- NA: 3-4 million (just don't see more here first few months)
- EU: 2 million (series less popular then NA)
So that totals somewhere between 8 and 9.5 million. Eh, then they do a PC release in the spring of 2017 and get another mil. So, it's doable just tough.
Here are my thoughts on the possible sales:
- Japan: 1 - 1.5 million (1 is much more likely)
- Rest of Asia/China: 1 million? (frankly no idea, wild guess)
- Everything else not including Asia, Europe and NA: ~ 1 million
- NA: 3-4 million (just don't see more here first few months)
- EU: 2 million (series less popular then NA)
So that totals somewhere between 8 and 9.5 million. Eh, then they do a PC release in the spring of 2017 and get another mil. So, it's doable just tough.
DiipuSurotu
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Don't worry Sakaguchi phoned Tabata to give him his advice on the demo.
GhostTrick
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SpiceMelange
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Final Fantasy don't really have that much sway in 2016. Compared to 1998, not many teenagers even are aware this franchise exist.
Just curious , has any game ever done this ?
It'll sell millions. Trust me.
At least they were smart enough not to try and release it in theaters, though the list of actors they got probably added a hefty chunk to their budget.
I have to say, and I am only speaking for myself, but FF was what made me a gamer. Yes I played games before that. All the way back to NES but FF7 is what made that first big impact.
With that said, I have lukewarm interest in FF15. The series seems to have lost its way between the PS1 and PS2. Shortly showing some promise with FF!2 but then going to an all time low with FF13. FF15 seems to be in the right direction on some things but not others.
From a sheer sales perspective, I don't think this is going to be cutting across all different types of gaming sub cultures to the extent GTA, Elder Scrolls or The Witcher 3 did.
Digital-Hero
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What was the point of Sakaguchi showing up yesterday? It was nice to see him though.
You are my minds voice. Perfect post Nirolak.
More than 50 I believe (are GTA games shooter?).
He was probably asked or even payed to show up and show support for the game, letting the fans know the creator of FF is giving the ol' thumbs up on FFXV and its return to form that SE seemed to stress during the course of the show.
See the inclusion of Amano and Uematsu getting recognition as additional proof.
Maybe they are helping with whatever Mistwalker+Silicon Studio is working on.
Ah so FFXV is gonna have an even better install base than XIII. Could definitely see it passing 10m. Should be a pretty solid system seller as well in Japan I'm guessing.
vainglorious
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Well the logic is that they want to get people who wouldn't normally think to buy a Final Fantasy game to buy this. If FFXIII managed to get 7 mill FFXV shouldn't have a problem getting those numbers from the existing fanbase and video game community. They want the remaining 3 million to come from people who've never bought a Final Fantasy game before. We'll see if they're successful at all.
chaosblade
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Lots of pessimism here. 10m is a long shot in a reasonable timeframe, but if the game is any good it probably won't be extremely far off that. Even if the series is in a rut right now, it still has the most name recognition of any Japanese RPG that isn't Pokemon. Plenty of people would like to see the series return to form, and plenty of people are curious just how XV is going to turn out after a decade.
I mean, unless the game is just bad I can't see it doing worse than XIII.
I also don't think they ever said the movie would be free, so that probably doesn't factor in to the budget/expectation too much.
I mean, unless the game is just bad I can't see it doing worse than XIII.
I also don't think they ever said the movie would be free, so that probably doesn't factor in to the budget/expectation too much.
Yeah, I think originally they were maybe going for that with the Luminous engine(could be wrong).
So I can sort of get it to an extent. But given how long this game has been in development it seems like they would of been smarter using something like Unreal for this game and then making a better determination for 16 on whether Luminous use was worth it.
dragonzdogma
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5 mil on both ps4 and X1 (physical and digital) worlwide
1.5 PS4K
700,000 PC
Few years later 39.99$ International version (all DLC included plus all the 4k hd remaster VR stuff)
500,000 sold.
1.5 PS4K
700,000 PC
Few years later 39.99$ International version (all DLC included plus all the 4k hd remaster VR stuff)
500,000 sold.
I know that the past doesn't always predict the future, but damn, that trend isn't working in their direction.
Main Final Fantasy titles bring in the dough. Even XIII sold well, despite how it is perceived. There will be millions of sales for XV on hype alone. The quality of the title will carry it further, if it's good.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Left out fxiii for a reason
To me seems pretty unreasonable but we will see
gamechanger87
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I don't know if anime and custom themed cars are how you draw in the kidz these days.
Those numbers are not accurate.
Digital-Hero
Member
I don't know.
Uematsu said "I'm sorry to say I have not written music for Final Fantasy XV" He didn't mention Shimomura at all.
The numbers are old. They don't even have FFXIII on it. FFXII sells more than 6 million and FFXIII sells more than 7 million.
FFXIII also became a pretty big pariah from the fanbase. It certainly soured me to the point I still am not sure I am interested in this.
I understand that is there logic, it just isnt a very good strategy. Hollywood voice acting has never been a needle mover for games. And Anime's? The people who will be wooed by that are a small population of that 7 million, not new fans.
Its just a bizarre strategy raising costs in areas that won't have a high enough ROI to offset them with what is clearly an already very costly game and an aesthetic and story that seems fairly outside the demographics of todays gamer.
vainglorious
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10 had more sales then 9. I don't know why someones trying to demonstrate a trend with sales numbers and flipping numbers.
There's no reason 15 couldn't spike a bit. Besides, 13 and 13-2 combined did just shy of 10 million on their own.
Iva Demilcol
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So, this is their Final Fantasy, I guess D:
Go_Ly_Dow
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XIII has sold 7-7.5 million despite how badly it was received.
Money is power in the era of marketing and social media.
KiteGr
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The franchise is damaged after the bad/mediocre games of the last generation and the excessive milking.
Even if the game ends up being undisputable "Game of the Generation" material, I doubt it would be as commercially successfull as they want to.
It already locked out the much of the female demographic by being a sausage fest roadtrip story.
Even if the game ends up being undisputable "Game of the Generation" material, I doubt it would be as commercially successfull as they want to.
It already locked out the much of the female demographic by being a sausage fest roadtrip story.
GhostTrick
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Before being badly received, it first had to be sold
I remember that it had a great start
QuantumZebra
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This is looking bad for them all around.
Witcher 3 set the bar on open world games, and Bloodborne/Souls series set the bar for RPG combat.
If FFXV isn't a 90+ on metacritic with massive word of mouth its gonna be a miracle if they can push 5 million copies, much less 10.
FFXIII had the good name of FF behind it still + it wasn't a bad game (It is an 83 on metacritic, and personally I liked it alot minus the linearity and Snow/Hope) + it was the first "HD" FF
All this has going for it is the hopes of people who want the FF series to be great again, and that demo did it 0 favors.
Before being badly received, it first had to be sold
I remember that it had a great start
Not really. It wasn't even a worldwide release so you had enough impression from Japan before it was released in your region.
I can see so many variables compounding to create a bit of a gaming nexus moment wherein so much word of mouth and marketing influence happens that the gaming "world" feels compelled to pick this up to essentially be a part of the zeitgeist.
Or not.
And the story and aesthetic is not going to appeal to a large swath of gaming demographics. Whereas a COD gamer will likely pick up GTA or Witcher, FF with its Japanese aesthetic and pounding a cheesy Stand By Me remix over a Bro Trip story is a much harder sale.
Frankly watching that trailer I'm not sure who all this marketing is actually aimed at?
GhostTrick
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Japanese impressions didn't mattered much back then. People still needed to see it with their own eyes.