ByWatterson
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There are four or five games that can sell with every PS5 (Horizon, God of War, a Spider-Man title, FF16). This will be one of those. I wouldn't anticipate a price drop or sale until Thanksgiving.
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Square Enix says sales of Final Fantasy 16 are “extremely strong”, telling IGN the game has sold well relative to the PS5 install base
There are four or five games that can sell with every PS5 (Horizon, God of War, a Spider-Man title, FF16). This will be one of those. I wouldn't anticipate a price drop or sale until Thanksgiving.
xellos2099alpha
Member
or buy used. Some many people claim they list the game for dirt cheap price since they hate it so much.
It's time they use Decima Engine or UE5 and bring back the world map and sense of wonderment and exploration.
I loved FFXVI for its story and I enjoyed the gameplay. But I think they really should bring back open world. Open world really sells to a lot of audience.
But keep the story tight. They were able to do it in ff7-ff9 era.
I loved FFXVI for its story and I enjoyed the gameplay. But I think they really should bring back open world. Open world really sells to a lot of audience.
But keep the story tight. They were able to do it in ff7-ff9 era.
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ByWatterson
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Aside from FFXV, it's never really been open world.
They should flesh out the world map they used to have in the old FFs.
xellos2099alpha
Member
The meaning illision of open world. Does it even matter it is open world but withj only 1 destonation
Put some hidden treasures, hidden caves (not thousands of them like Hogwarts), points of interest, etc, in between the destinations. Give us a sense of exploration and wonderment. Environmental story-telling. Make the biggest open world in history spanning continents like it used to be in the old FFs. I know it's a lot of work, but I thought using Decima or UE5 would make it feasible.
Oof85
Member
My post wasn't referring to the variable degrees between extremely well or extremely strong but what SE was making a statement on.
Their printed words were initial sales, ie opening sales ie launch sales.
They put out a statement saying they were pleased with the 3 million ww sold in three days, which is on par for the series recent outings.
You said that they said the game is selling extremely well, and that's not what they said.
Do you not see the difference?
That's what I addressed, not anything about the difference between extremely well vs extremely strong.
IAmRei
Member
3m sales aint small, i'm agree, there is some moves in the net, people wants ff16 fails so bad, but 3m is not even close to fail. maybe not so big than before, but for one platform only, still damn fine
xellos2099alpha
Member
They are all pretty meaningless tbh. People look at guide and will go straigh to their destination.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Which press statements went out saying they were so happy of the success of Forespoken?
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Let them do it. The open world would still increase the sales of this franchise. What we do not want is open world at the expense of story telling. I would rather have tight story telling than open world. But if we look at ff7-ff9 and imagine the world map as a flesh out open world, we know they can pull off a good story in an open world.
It's just... a lot of work. But perhaps Decima or UE5 can help with that.
EDMIX
Member
yea..thats not really true at all.
FF literally started as an open world game, so if you started playing FFX or something, I understand if you didn't know that was a thing, but FF very much is mostly an open world series.
I mean, you literally have an airship and go place to place....town to town.
So from FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FFV, FFVI and even FFVII, they are open world, with towns, dungeons and airships to travel. I'd argue MOST of the series is actually fucking open world to then play FFXIII or something and then start arguing "never really been" based on...what, 3 fucking titles? smh
So yea, I don't know about all that now lol
I mean, did you really not know that older FF titles had vehicles to travel across the open world like Airships and cars etc? Did you just think that FFXV was the first to do this or? lol
E ergem Agreed. I love FFXVI right now, its a great game, with a great story, but that element of open world from the classic concept is missing a great deal. So I hope the next major FF title has a return to a traditional FF format with open world, airships, different towns etc.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
"Pfft, what does SquareEnix knows!" /s
Heaven Angel
Member
Resident Evil 4 has sold 5 million after 4 months while available on 4 platforms.
In comparison FF16 has sold almost the same amount after 1 month while available on only 1 platform.
It’s a huge success without a doubt no matter what shills say.
In comparison FF16 has sold almost the same amount after 1 month while available on only 1 platform.
It’s a huge success without a doubt no matter what shills say.
Pejo
Member
Well I will be fully transparent here, I was hoping the game would fail spectacularly. Not for platform fanboyism reasons, I just don't like the new direction that they're taking the series. 16 really seems like a "Final Fantasy for people who hate Final Fantasy", and shifting it to Yoshi P (who admittedly "saved" FFXIV by making it the most mainstream nostalgia baiting WoW clone he could make) seemed like another casualization and bastardization of a storied JRPG series, which it was.
That said, 3 million in a month is "good" for a month on a single platform, but I doubt S-E is sitting there patting each other on the back about it. Plus the sales took a nosedive as early as the 2nd week despite the week 1 sales looking really impressive. I don't think there's a publisher out there that's ruining or ignoring IPs that I love worse (in my opinion), with exception of maybe Konami. I'm really concerned about DQ12 if I'm being honest. Over the last 10 years, S-E has gone from one bad trend chase to another, with some NFT worship shoved in. They have this insistence that the only way they can succeed is to take all of their properties and try to make western-appealing casualized theme park pump and dump games.
Anyways, all of that said, I still would like to play FF16 someday if it comes out on PC, at a discount. I like character action games quite a bit, so I'm sure I could still have fun with the spectacle and combat.
That said, 3 million in a month is "good" for a month on a single platform, but I doubt S-E is sitting there patting each other on the back about it. Plus the sales took a nosedive as early as the 2nd week despite the week 1 sales looking really impressive. I don't think there's a publisher out there that's ruining or ignoring IPs that I love worse (in my opinion), with exception of maybe Konami. I'm really concerned about DQ12 if I'm being honest. Over the last 10 years, S-E has gone from one bad trend chase to another, with some NFT worship shoved in. They have this insistence that the only way they can succeed is to take all of their properties and try to make western-appealing casualized theme park pump and dump games.
Anyways, all of that said, I still would like to play FF16 someday if it comes out on PC, at a discount. I like character action games quite a bit, so I'm sure I could still have fun with the spectacle and combat.
Heaven Angel
Member
What's up with the last line of the title?
That depict negative connotation.
People really can't handle the facts do they? It's apparent that it sold well and it's a HIT by standards but these cynics.
That depict negative connotation.
People really can't handle the facts do they? It's apparent that it sold well and it's a HIT by standards but these cynics.
Zathalus
Member
I literally addressed that in my post.
Rykan
Member
They don't typically release press releases commenting on their games' sales. This statement was in response to an inquiry from IGN. If there's no inquiry asking about the early sales of Forspoken, there's not going to be a response.
We found out about SE's thoughts about Forspoken in the same place where we find all their thoughts about their games performance: In their financial reports.
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EDMIX
Member
the series?
Sir...this is just for FF16, the whole series has been about being different from title to title, which means certain elements from 1 title to another may not be in a future title.
FFXV and FFXVI literally have 2 different directions in regards to the core design to really be worried about direction of the series. So for all you know, the next FF title is nothing like FFXVI, but shit look at the differences from FFXV to FFXVI.
Pejo
Member
This argument is as old as the IP, and might as well be an auto-reply from blind fanboys whenever somebody says that they don't like the new direction of Final Fantasy. I get what you're saying, but you can't ignore 35~ years of a general flow of gameplay style and then release something this DRASTICALLY different and say "dude what do you mean, Final Fantasy always changes lol". This game had zero need to be called "Final Fantasy", other than S-E wanting the brand recognition and EZ fanboy sales from calling it such.
I really don't want to get into another argument about this same old shit, so I'm dipping out, I was just giving my honest opinions about this game and its sales.
EDMIX
Member
That has nothing to fucking do with "fanboys", the series has always had different designs, concepts, battle systems etc from game to game.
Its why FFXVI clearly isn't like FFXV.
Shit, you can't even fucking worry about 1 fucking game to another game to then pretend this is something to worry about for the whole SERIES, that simply doesn't make sense when you objectively look at the evidence. Thats like someone saying they are worried that FFXIII will make the whole series like that....the FFXIV is an MMO, then FFXV is more open world and then FFXVI is linear lol
Fuck you worried about exactly? Like what feature are you talking about ? The games are different from title to title lol
So as someone that actually plays the whole series and completely loving FFXVI, it 100% is a Final Fantasy game. You didn't buy and are not playing this game to be telling folks what it is or isn't lol
So this comment regarding "Plus the sales took a nosedive" is irrelevant.
You are literally talking about just about every major single player game.
FIFA 14 knocks GTA 5 off the top spot in sales chart
GTA 5's initial takings have broken records, but it clearly was not enough to resist the popularity of EA Sports' best-loved franchise
www.mirror.co.uk
Using your logic, GTA V bombed, flopped, took a "nosedive", I don't understand, did you just assume all single player games continue to sell millions weeks after release in regards to charting? If one of the best selling games of all time, literally dropped off of those charts to the tone of 82%, I think maybe...juuuuuuust maybe, you need to put that theory to rest.
I've heard more then enough people citing this shit with zero information, back up, evidence that selling BEYOND that is the norm in regards to statistics.
Using your logic sir, Zelda ToK flopped and bombed too lol
https://www.pockettactics.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom/uk-sales
So...I have no clue who keeps pushing this fudd, but please stop using the second month or second week or some shit of sales dropping as some massive find of evidence of some "odd" or "different" thing that is going on.
Nothing points that being something to worry about.
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Pejo
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User removed from the thread for low effort trolling.
That has nothing to fucking do with "fanboys", the series has always had different designs, concepts, battle systems etc from game to game.
Its why FFXVI clearly isn't like FFXV.
Shit, you can't even fucking worry about 1 fucking game to another game to then pretend this is something to worry about for the whole SERIES, that simply doesn't make sense when you objectively look at the evidence. Thats like someone saying they are worried that FFXIII will make the whole series like that....the FFXIV is an MMO, then FFXV is more open world and then FFXVI is linear lol
Fuck you worried about exactly? Like what feature are you talking about ? The games are different from title to title lol
So this comment regarding "Plus the sales took a nosedive" is irrelevant.
You are literally talking about just about every major single player game.
FIFA 14 knocks GTA 5 off the top spot in sales chart
GTA 5's initial takings have broken records, but it clearly was not enough to resist the popularity of EA Sports' best-loved franchise
Using your logic, GTA V bombed, flopped, took a "nosedive", I don't understand, did you just assume all single player games continue to sell millions weeks after release in regards to charting? If one of the best selling games of all time, literally dropped off of those charts to the tone of 82%, I think maybe...juuuuuuust maybe, you need to put that theory to rest.
I've heard more then enough people citing this shit with zero information, back up, evidence that selling BEYOND that is the norm in regards to statistics.
Using your logic sir, Zelda ToK flopped and bombed too lol
https://www.pockettactics.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom/uk-sales
So...I have no clue who keeps pushing this fudd, but please stop using the second month or second week or some shit of sales dropping as some massive find of evidence of some "odd" or "different" thing that is going on.
Nothing points that being something to worry about.
EDMIX
Member
lol why are you even in this thread? Your trolling "concern" regarding its sales doesn't make any sense and this fake "worry" about its direction is just as meaningless when you can't even name these elements that have even carried from 1 title to the next to "worry" about.
So, I think you are just triggered as to why you've resorted to this, "blind fanboys" argument and suddenly you can't read when actual data is given to you that directly contradicts anything you are saying.
so...I mean you spent more time looking for a picture then any evidence to support really anything in your post so.....good luck lol
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X-Wing
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Such strong negative opinions whitout ever playing the game.
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xellos2099alpha
Member
The thing is: i am not sure he is trolling... some are true believer to their causes. Like in the locked ot thread. Some of us talk about the game is good with the issues then some peoeple like him pop up and complete trash the game., going as far are lying about the game.
mortal
Gold Member
The FUD surrounding FFXVI is kind of bizarre. I don't understand where it's coming from or why it's even happening.
It's done relatively well despite the slowdown. Will likely get a second wind once it comes to PC.
It's like any popular release that doesn't achieve Elden Ring or Zelda numbers is automatically a failure according to some people.
It's done relatively well despite the slowdown. Will likely get a second wind once it comes to PC.
It's like any popular release that doesn't achieve Elden Ring or Zelda numbers is automatically a failure according to some people.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
That’s good. While I’m not having fun with it, I know others are. And I always want games to perform well.
ByWatterson
Member
Right. Early FF games (1-6) had an overworld, not really an open world. They were about as open world as Ocarina of Time, at least until the last third of the game when you get an airship. But even then you pretty much just flew to a spot and did stuff THERE, not in the overworld. You fought monsters in the overworld, that's about it.
That's not meaningfully different from the obelisk mechanic + littered monsters in FFXVI.
Hudo
Member
Only day-one sales count, man.
EDMIX
Member
it semantics, you traveled through a world with vehicles bud, town to town.
I don't see how doing that in 3D suddenly made it a different genre as if the thing happening in FFXV, conceptually was never done before or something in regards to design. So "oVeRwoRlDz" is simply another type of open world game....
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ByWatterson
Member
I guess? But it's a bad kind unless it's so tight as to make it unnecessary. Ubisoft drove it into the ground.
Now, if they took an Elden Ring/TOTK approach, where you just explore and find stuff and have intrinsic motivation to keep exploring, I could get into that, but linearity at the service of narrative (which has been FF's primary strength since FFIV) is grossly underrated as a game design.
Those older games were very linear until the story was nearly complete. Best to keep it that way.
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EDMIX
Member
I would not mind if they did that in a FF title or 2.
Sure, but having an one world never stopped them from being very linear, sure you had some optional towns, quest etc, but that open world lends to both concepts as its not really an either or.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
Member
Is this a joke? Octopath Traveler 2 has like 1% of the budget of FFXVI.Could be wrong but when I look at the numbers for uncharted and horizon, first week ff16 did better?
Uncharted 4 moved 2.7 million units in its first week
www.destructoid.com
Horizon Zero Dawn sales top 2.6M units in under two weeks
Guerrilla’s best launch everwww.polygon.com
Both went on to sell 15mil and 20 mil respectively, so I don't know why people want to call ff16 a failure so quickly after it comes out even after square enix themselves called the performance"extremely strong". This is all while ignoring how much competition so far this year for players time on Playstation compared to what Horizon and uncharted 4 faced. Also shouldn't ignore the higher price tag for ff16.
It is funny, a game like octopath traveller 2, which is a turn based classic rpg took until june to reach 1 million copies on a huge install base, doing worse than its predecessor and not one peep out of people.
Octopath Traveler 2 Sales Top One Million Worldwide
Octopath Traveler 2 sales have topped one million, and Square Enix and Acquire have shared a new commemorative piece of art to celebrate.techraptor.net
Guaranteed square looks at that and thinks it did the right moves with ff16
DerivedDataCache
Member
How long til "extremely strong" turns into "did not meet expectations". The SE classic.
Astray
Gold Member
When have they ever called a game strong-selling and then backtracked?
And yet 3.4 million in a month for tomb raider 2013 wasn't good enough, square enix bias against their former western studios was crazy,
So I wonder which is true 3 million for ff16 is fine and sqe bias against their western studios actually lead them to sell profitable ips and studios for a pittance or ff16 actually isn't going that hot and their pride won't let them admit it
Maybe in the middle?
Personally I'm wagering the former letting their bias against their western studios could their judgement
So I wonder which is true 3 million for ff16 is fine and sqe bias against their western studios actually lead them to sell profitable ips and studios for a pittance or ff16 actually isn't going that hot and their pride won't let them admit it
Maybe in the middle?
Personally I'm wagering the former letting their bias against their western studios could their judgement
Madflavor
Member
If they are so strong why haven’t they released any numbers since mid June??
It’s not common practice to announce updated sales figures less than a month after the initial announcement.
hybrid_birth
Gold Member
This ain't Grand Theft Chocobo that's for sure.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So they are now expected to announce updated sales numbers on a weekly basis?If they are so strong why haven’t they released any numbers since mid June??
Every day we get a new version of high-quality copium.
vaibhavpisal
Member
It was PS3 era game. Budgets used to be 15-30 million back then.
And it sold for $60, marginally lower cost than FF16.
Profitability of Tomb Raider wouldn't be on same planet compared to FF16, which must've costed $100 million + to make.
Any proof besides tomb raiders shorter development time and smaller staff? Oh wait those point to a lower cost
