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[BradleyLove]

If you're just buying the HD Linker for the PS4 Pro, I can understand if you think it's a waste of money, but it's the only known method to get an HDCP 2.2 device to comply with non-HDCP 2.2 devices without upgrading or replacing good equipment. The HD Fury Integral (a different device from the same company) is also the only known reputable HDMI splitter for 4K HDR too unless I'm mistaken.

So would the HD Fury Integral allow me to send a 4K HDR signal to my TV and split off the 7.1 PCM to my gourmet (but non-HDCP 2.2 compliant) Yamaha RX-A3010 AVR?

 

[Karak]

I have covered a number of these guys items on the channel and if anyone is wondering how it works, it works fine. expensive but for various reasons it might make sense for you

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

I really don't want this. The DF guys are right - this should be a system-level thing that users can toggle on and off.

 

[BigEmil]

At $199

Lol.

 

[family_guy]

Downgrade your Pro to a Slim and go buy a GTX 1070.

 

[Geneijin]

So would the HD Fury Integral allow me to send a 4K HDR signal to my TV and split off the 7.1 PCM to my gourmet (but non-HDCP 2.2 compliant) Yamaha RX-A3010 AVR?

Yes, but you should contact a rep who's present in the avsforum.com for confirmation. I've been eyeing a HD Fury Integral and HD Linker for awhile, so I can't confirm your questions personally.

HDfury Integral is capable of connecting any HDCP revision sources devices to any HDCP revision sink devices. GUARANTEED!
If you ever saw the following statement: “this TV does not support HDCP 2.2. Make sure you have HDCP 2.2 capable TV” or a similar HDCP error message, make sure you never see it again with HDfury Integral! Featuring 2 inputs and 2 outputs, HDfury Integral can act as a Splitter, HDCP Doctor, CEC Commander, Audio extractor, Audio replacement, HDMI Doctor, Matrix, EDID management and more… Discover the tomorrow’s hardware today!

HDfury Integral Key Features
Unique HDCP Doctor Providing a total of 6 HDCP 1.4 and 2.2 engines for decryption/encryption, HDfury Integral offers a total HDCP workaround solution including HDCP 1.4 > HDCP 2.2 and HDCP 1.4 > HDCP 2.2 both ways conversion within the same unit.
It is capable of connecting any HDCP1.x or HDCP2.x source devices to any HDCP1.x or HDCP 2.x sink devices.
Each RX block decrypts the input first whether its 1.x or 2.x. Then each output port can individually encrypts it to 1.4(both) or 2.2(only top port) or not encrypt it at all.
Dual conversion can be operated on both channels simultaneously.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/2171745-hdfury-integral.html

 

[Afrikan]

So would the HD Fury Integral allow me to send a 4K HDR signal to my TV and split off the 7.1 PCM to my gourmet (but non-HDCP 2.2 compliant) Yamaha RX-A3010 AVR?

If you have one of the 4K BluRay players.. Samsung and I believe Phillips.. they have a built in HDMI Out for sound.. that will allow you to send HDR to the TV, but lossless sound to your HDMI 1.4 type AVR.

which is one reason I'm getting one of those 4K BluRay Players over an Xbox 1 S.


that all being said, I'm thinking of getting one of these HDFury products for my PSVR.

over on AVSFORUM, their rep is VERY helpful....so send him/her a PM, and they'll tell you your options.

 

[Sorcerer Supreme]

nope

 

[Haint]

Why are these games removing downsampling?

And yeah lol @ $199 - just put that towards a 4k TV / monitor at that point, Christ.

Because Digital Foundry posts frame rate graphs showing 2 drop frames that proves PS Pro runs worse than a base PS4, which riles up forum nerds, which makes it's way onto podcasts and mainstream game sites, which leads to scared developers nixing down sampling or rushing out patches that remove it.

 

[Izuna]

Because Digital Foundry posts frame rate graphs showing 2 drop frames that proves PS Pro runs worse than a base PS4, which riles up forum nerds, which makes it's way onto podcasts and mainstream game sites, which leads to scared developers nixing down sampling or rushing out patches that remove it.

What bullshit. This has never happened.

TLoU fixed the fps problem in the 1800p mode in the same update that screwed with supersampling.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

To solve a problem that never should have been in the first place.

This is a very silly solution.

Yuuup. I'm gonna assume you're talking about HDCP and not PS4 Pro features. $199 is expensive to use it this way, but could be seen as a bargain compared to replacing a $2000 AVR for HDCP 2.2 support.

Regarding lag, I recall some review site measuring lag with this device, and they said the Fury adds minimal lag.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Downgrade your Pro to a Slim and go buy a GTX 1070.

Can I play the TLOU, Final Fantasy XV, The Last Guardian, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Nioh, etc with a GTX 1070?

 

[matrix-cat]

Because Digital Foundry posts frame rate graphs showing 2 drop frames that proves PS Pro runs worse than a base PS4, which riles up forum nerds, which makes it's way onto podcasts and mainstream game sites, which leads to scared developers nixing down sampling or rushing out patches that remove it.

Nope, bullshit. Digital Foundry put out a video showing framerate drops, Naughty Dog fixed the framerate. Cutting out downsampling for 1080p TVs is a completely unrelated issue.

 

[BradleyLove]

Yes, but you should contact a rep who's present in the avsforum.com for confirmation. I've been eyeing a HD Fury Integral and HD Linker for awhile, so I can't confirm your questions personally.

If you have one of the 4K BluRay players.. Samsung and I believe Phillips.. they have a built in HDMI Out for sound.. that will allow you to send HDR to the TV, but lossless sound to your HDMI 1.4 type AVR.

which is one reason I'm getting one of those 4K BluRay Players over an Xbox 1 S.


that all being said, I'm thinking of getting one of these HDFury products for my PSVR.

over on AVSFORUM, their rep is VERY helpful....so send him/her a PM, and they'll tell you your options.

Thanks peeps.

 

[EvB]

Because Digital Foundry posts frame rate graphs showing 2 drop frames that proves PS Pro runs worse than a base PS4, which riles up forum nerds, which makes it's way onto podcasts and mainstream game sites, which leads to scared developers nixing down sampling or rushing out patches that remove it.

^pretty much

 

[Shari]

Can I play the TLOU, Final Fantasy XV, The Last Guardian, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Nioh, etc with a GTX 1070?

No but you can with a PS4 slim and you can play a TON of games on a 1070 that you can't play on a PS4, pro or otherwise.

 

[Kinyou]

$200 for a feature that should be a simple menu option? Fuck no

 

[c0de]

$199 what?

There are TVs that downsample 4k signal even being 1080p, no???

How?

 

[Anteater]

$200 for a feature that should be a simple menu option? Fuck no

seriously lol, wtf

 

[Weevilone]

$200 for a feature that should be a simple menu option? Fuck no

$200 for a Swiss Army Knife product, that happens to cure this issue with 1 of its features. People can laugh all they want, but their products have prevented automatic obsolescence of so many displays and AVRs over the years. They kept my old Pioneer TV relevant for a long time after changing HDMI standards would have killer it off.

Been eyeing the Linker and Integral for a bit.

 

[Neiteio]

Does FFXV downsample from 4K on a 1080p screen?

Also, a Pro question: If I want to transfer data from a vanilla PS4 to a Pro via LAN, is there a particular type of cable I should get to facilitate this?

 

[Izuna]

Does FFXV downsample from 4K on a 1080p screen

FFXV has a High Quality Mode (naming?) which sets the internal resolution to 1800c. Because this is done in-game, yes, you can output that to 1080p.

Every game should be doing that.

 

[Ferr986]

Because Digital Foundry posts frame rate graphs showing 2 drop frames that proves PS Pro runs worse than a base PS4, which riles up forum nerds, which makes it's way onto podcasts and mainstream game sites, which leads to scared developers nixing down sampling or rushing out patches that remove it.

^pretty much

You should do your research before posting bullshit.

ND fixed the framerate problems, the 4K 60fps runs pretty much locked now. So yeah, these DF videos and nerds made ND fix the game.

BUT, for NO reason at all, this 4K mode is not available for 1080p owners anymore, so these players can't acces downsampling anymore like with other Pro games, this is not about DF or nerds but ND incompetence, or something else.

 

[Kinyou]

You should do your research before posting bullshit.

ND fixed the framerate problems, the 4K 60fps runs pretty much locked now. So yeah, these DF videos and nerds made ND fix the game.

BUT, for NO reason at all, this 4K mode is not available for 1080p owners anymore, so these players can't acces downsampling anymore like with other Pro games, this is not about DF or nerds but ND incompetence, or something else.

Yeah, seriously. It's ridiculous that people actually blame DF.

$200 for a Swiss Army Knife product, that happens to cure this issue with 1 of its features. People can laugh all they want, but their products have prevented automatic obsolescence of so many displays and AVRs over the years. They kept my old Pioneer TV relevant for a long time after changing HDMI standards would have killer it off.

Been eyeing the Linker and Integral for a bit.

True, it might be worthwhile if you have use for it beyond that but just for down sampling I'll rather demand that Sony gets their shit it together instead of buying an expansive workaround.

 

[Haint]

What bullshit. This has never happened.

TLoU fixed the fps problem in the 1800p mode in the same update that screwed with supersampling.

Nope, bullshit. Digital Foundry put out a video showing framerate drops, Naughty Dog fixed the framerate. Cutting out downsampling for 1080p TVs is a completely unrelated issue.

You should do your research before posting bullshit.

ND fixed the framerate problems, the 4K 60fps runs pretty much locked now. So yeah, these DF videos and nerds made ND fix the game.

BUT, for NO reason at all, this 4K mode is not available for 1080p owners anymore, so these players can't acces downsampling anymore like with other Pro games, this is not about DF or nerds but ND incompetence, or something else.

The only logical explanation for TLOU situation is that ND didn't know if they'd be able to fix the frame rate issues and simply killed down sampling as the very first order of business being it's a guaranteed zero effort fix. You're not not going to fool anyone with even a modicum of common sense, it was absolutely 100% a response to all the "Pro worse than base PS4!!!!" articles and talking points, regardless of what transparent as fuck backpedaling they may or may not do.

You can get a half decent 50" 4K set for $500, there's really no excuse

A pretty good excuse is that they suck ass in overall PQ compared to the last-gen Plasma's.

 

[n0razi]

You can get a half decent 50" 4K set for $500, there's really no excuse

 

[Izuna]

You can get a half decent 50" 4K set for $500, there's really no excuse

What a ridiculous post...

 

[n0razi]

What a rediculous post...

Why would you buy a $400 4K console and not get a 4K HDTV?

 

[Trail Guide]

Why would you buy a $400 4K console and not get a 4K HDTV?

I do all my gaming, console and PC, from a desk. Been doing this for over 15 years. I can't fit nor would I want to sit two feet away from a 50" screen. lol

 

[Miggytronz]

I do all my gaming, console and PC, from a desk. Been doing this for over 15 years. I can't fit nor would I want to sit two feet away from a 50" screen. lol

Same. My 37" Samsung 1080p LED TV does me perfect.

 

[n0razi]

I do all my gaming, console and PC, from a desk. Been doing this for over 15 years. I can't fit nor would I want to sit two feet away from a 50" screen. lol

Same. My 37" Samsung 1080p LED TV does me perfect.

I prefer playing on my PC as well but the fact is there is no HDR enabled monitor on the market. So if you want the benefits of HDR, you have to buy a 4K HDR set else you are paying for features you are not using.

 

[perfectsil]

You can get a half decent 50" 4K set for $500, there's really no excuse

Pro is advertised to have benefits for non-4K tv owners, says so on the FAQ

 

[zewone]

I do all my gaming, console and PC, from a desk. Been doing this for over 15 years. I can't fit nor would I want to sit two feet away from a 50" screen. lol

Get a 4K monitor. lol

 

[Miggytronz]

I prefer playing on my PC as well but the fact is there is no HDR enabled monitor on the market. So if you want the benefits of HDR, you have to buy a 4K HDR set else you are paying for features you are not using.

As of right now and my living conditions with my wife in my home buying a new 4K HDR TV isn't an option. So I'm really enjoying the PRO on my 1080p TV at my desk playing games Downsampled. Downsampled game was enough justification for me to get the PRO. So say whatever you want, I'm happy as is. I could careless for HDR. I've seen what a PRO can do on a KS8000 and trust me I would love that setup right now but it's just not justifiable in my life. If I wanted a divorce I'd doit though. LoL

 

[x3sphere]

Goodness...

Actually, do you guys think next gen 1080p TVs will just have downscaling capabilities? Like how x768 TVs accepted 1080p signals?

The way things are going there probably won't be any more 1080P TVs in a few years, so doubt it

 

[Trail Guide]

I prefer playing on my PC as well but the fact is there is no HDR enabled monitor on the market. So if you want the benefits of HDR, you have to buy a 4K HDR set else you are paying for features you are not using.

I've had Nvidia GPUs with 3D vision support, and a 3D supporting monitor, for the past five years and not once even considered buying 3D glasses even though I had paid for features I wasn't using.

I don't buy games based on their lighting systems so not having HDR right now is not an issue. Not having HDR is not that different than someone on a mid-range PC not having access to all the graphical options of a high end PC.

Get a 4K monitor. lol

Don't see the need for one yet. Downsampling onto my 21:9 monitor works great.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Bit of an over-reaction just because 1 game removed downsampling and people are considering spending 199 to get it back, crazy.

Gotta love the internet lol.

 

[zewone]

Don't see the need for one yet. Downsampling onto my 21:9 monitor works great.

Then you don't need this device.

The point was people shouldn't be buying this device for use on their 1080p monitors/TVs and put that money towards a new display instead.

 

[BradleyLove]

Why would you buy a $400 4K console and not get a 4K HDTV?

Because I'd argue there's no 4K TV that has blacks as good as my Panny VT50 plasma. So for me, it's all about the 1080p enhancements Pro should bring.

 

[Jacob4815]

Bit of an over-reaction just because 1 game removed downsampling and people are considering spending 199 to get it back, crazy.

Gotta love the internet lol.

LOU is the most absurd example.
But we have now 3 games in a row.
A situation to be monitored.

 

[Trail Guide]

Then you don't need this device.

The point was people shouldn't be buying this device for use on their 1080p monitors/TVs and put that money towards a new display instead.

Well I was responding to n0razi's statement about buying a $400 console and not also buying a 4K TV. I just wanted to point out that we don't all need or want a 4K display yet.

I have two consoles that support HDR and 4K without a way to display that yet I don't feel I'm missing out at all. Years from now once 4K content is more available or even the standard then yes I will get a 4K screen. I do agree with you that this device is overkill for the average consumer and that person would be betting off setting that $200 to the side instead of buying this device.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

Digital Foundry touched on this neat piece of tech in their new look at The Last of Us Remastered on PS4 Pro due to downsampling being removed for 1080p display users from the game with this latest 1.08 patch.

Here is the link to the Digital Foundry article and some quoted details:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-us-remastered-patch-108-for-ps4-pro-analysed



The HD Linker can be purchased here for $199:
https://www.hdfury.com/shop/videoprocessors/linker-4k60-444-600mhz/

If this trend of 4K downsampling not being an option for 1080p users continues I might be looking into this. Although I believe Sony should integrate an option in the system OS to allow users to turn it off and on for all games.

So far these are the games that don't downsample 4K to 1080p (please let me know if there are others)
-Dishonored 2
-The Last Guardian
-The Last of Us Remastered (Patch 1.08)

If you're a Pro owner with a 1080p display and like downsampling, I would recommend turning off Automatic Updates so you don't end up stuck with a patched version of the game that removed downsampling like The Last of Us has.

I'm halfway there. I have a 1440p screen that I have my Pro hooked up to. I'd love for my PS4 Pro games to display at a native 1440p instead of downscaling to 1080p on my 1440p monitor.

This device would do take the 4k output and display it at 1440p right?