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Former SWG Lead Game Designer kills himself.
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Rapping Granny
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ElyrionX said:
not to make this into 12 page thread, but how so?
Rapping Granny said:
Your parents spent a lifetime and a fortune bringing you up. You end it all without consideration of their feelings or even their financial well-being.
Your family relies on you for financial and emotional support. How are they going to get along with you?
Suicide usually is the easiest and weakest way out of a tough problem.
I will admit I know nothing of his situation and there may be extenuating circumstances that really forced him down this path but there really are very very few situations that I can think of where suicide is a valid or even justifiable action.
ElyrionX said:
But you are assuming that he was in a 'normal' frame of mind and aware of the real consequences of his actions to his family and friends. In many cases I think these people feel helplessly trapped and that suicide is the only way out for them and the ones they love. It's ridiculous to try and put rational logic onto someone with severe depression.
Regardless, I just want to say that while Galaxies gets a bad rap for changing the rules of the game, I always remember my time there in its first year very fondly. No MMO has struck a similar chord with me since, and I still think there are some amazing aspects to that game. Ironically I found my final, "secret" holocron only a few days before the big change, never went back, and posted lots of hate against the move on the SOE forums at the time. I doubt anything I said ever made it back to him, but it makes me a little sad to think it might have.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Horrible news.
RIP Mr. Freeman!
RIP Mr. Freeman!
Mecha_Infantry
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ElyrionX said:
I think you have noted why you should shut the fuck up an keep those things outside of a remembrance/RIP thread. You are talking about one of the consequences of suicide being finances? Really? You have no damn clue. If you want to sprout your ideals about suicide make another thread for it and don't taint this one.
As someone who has suffered the suicide lost of a family member recently, my wishes & prayers go to his friends, family, workers and everyone who knew him. The guilt they will feel will be immense...
Mecha_Infantry said:
Does he have a home and is it mortgaged? Who's going to pay for the home of his wife and kids? What if they can't afford to keep their home? Where are they going to stay?
What if his parents require expensive medical treatments? Who's going to pay for it?
Now, *you* tell me why finances don't figure in the consequences of suicide?
i hate bees
Member
Sounds like Freeman had to face true life consequences.
Bloody shame though, the original SWG was my favourite MMO ever bar none, shit if it wasn't for the updates I'd probably still have an account now, the industry needed more folk like him
Bloody shame though, the original SWG was my favourite MMO ever bar none, shit if it wasn't for the updates I'd probably still have an account now, the industry needed more folk like him
It's sad news when someone does that.
But why the backlash against non-offensive jokes? Laughter is the best way to remember someone, and try to move on. I hope someone makes a (good) joke when I die, and may all of GAF laugh when they read it.
Wherever I'll be, I'll know that the world still makes sense.
But why the backlash against non-offensive jokes? Laughter is the best way to remember someone, and try to move on. I hope someone makes a (good) joke when I die, and may all of GAF laugh when they read it.
Wherever I'll be, I'll know that the world still makes sense.
Have any of you ever suffered from severe depression where you lose interest in life, sleep too much or too little, no energy, always having a sense of guilt, can't concentrate for more than 5 minutes, have psychotic delusions and the only think you could think of is taking your life?
You have to be that sick to take your own life. Poor guy...
You have to be that sick to take your own life. Poor guy...
Night_Trekker
Member
Ugh, that is terrible. My condolences to his loved ones.
While I am sure that the outrage over the NGE didn't cause this, I suppose it could very well have been one of the factors involved in driving him deeper into depression. Maybe the internets ought to learn from this and behave better even though it has anonymity?
Rest in peace, Jeff Freeman, and my condolences to his family.
Rest in peace, Jeff Freeman, and my condolences to his family.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Not anymore.Dolphin said:
Dick.
RIP
Sad to be brought to that, my condolences go out to his family and friends.
Ironic, one of the most notorious trolls around labeling someone else an idiot.Doubledex said:
Very true. I realize that everyone has problematic issues in their lives, but I honestly can't fathom how anyone could even think about resorting to such a drastic measure. I mean, even if you don't give a shit about your own life, then at least consider your friends and loved ones before putting them through an everlasting hell.Kosma said:
mysticstylez
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Rapping Granny said:
Suicide is the "easy way out". For people who don't want to deal with actually trying to make their problems better. Here you are given the biggest gift of all, life. Yet because you can't handle the problems you are going through you just take the easy way out and end your life.
GreekWolf said:
Do your prayers go out to every family who has a member kill themself? "My prayers go out to his/her family" is the biggest bullshit saying ever. People just say it cause it's the nice thing to say.
Rapping Granny said:
it sure aint a sin for no reason.
(not that i follow any religions or anything)
RJT said:
Me too
...but sadly the majority of gaf (even in OT) would rather put on their shiny little armor just so they can look cool taking off the helmet and showing every one their fugee face.
Melhisedek
Member
RIP mate My condolences to his family
My condolences to his familyYup. Just like my prayers would go out to your parents if you happened to kill yourself. It's not their fault that you chose to end your life, destroying countless others in the process.mysticstylez said:
The only "bullshit" expressions are those which have no sincerity behind them. To presume to know how another feels or thinks is arrogant in the extreme.
mysticstylez said:
What a load of bull. You think suicide is easy?
I cannot understand people who have no empathy and are unable to imagine what it takes for someone to do this.
I know people who have been through depression and I know of a lot of people, in one area, who have committed suicide. It is a complex issue and bullshit, like your post above, usually comes from ignorance or a sneering elitism.
You know some of us do say prayers and actually do pray for people we say we pray for, how hard it is to send a quick message to God? It can be done anywhere.
Shockgamer
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If you can't control when you want to die, then what do you really have?
snoopers said:
well it's kinda sorta considered a sin in christianity right?
In hopes of not derailing too much........
generally these "divine rules" are basically just things created for the sake of protecting people and their relationships with others. which obviously was needed in that time, right?
Now we got policeman, visa bills, T-Pain, and Rachael Ray. Probably not that necessary or effective to say GOD HATES SUICIDERS. but ya know...whatever. It's their book.
jeez this thread is feelin' kinda OT now.
Everyone who says that suicide is just an easy way out knows nothing about depression and mental illness.
Think about it, what makes a man do something that every single reflex in the body is against? You have to be really really ill to consider taking your own life. It's not a matter of "Oops, I don't like how this or that is turning out so I'll just kill myself and I don't have to deal with it". Suicidals don't think like that. It's a disease. They don't think clearly or rational at all.
Yes, objectivley and rationally it's an easy way out and it leaves family and friends in great pain. But put yourself in the mind of the suicidal, and you'll get a better understanding.
People, try to be a bit more post modern and subjective in your thinking. Everything is not black and white (especially not in soft systems such as dealing with emotions and social behaviors)
Think about it, what makes a man do something that every single reflex in the body is against? You have to be really really ill to consider taking your own life. It's not a matter of "Oops, I don't like how this or that is turning out so I'll just kill myself and I don't have to deal with it". Suicidals don't think like that. It's a disease. They don't think clearly or rational at all.
Yes, objectivley and rationally it's an easy way out and it leaves family and friends in great pain. But put yourself in the mind of the suicidal, and you'll get a better understanding.
People, try to be a bit more post modern and subjective in your thinking. Everything is not black and white (especially not in soft systems such as dealing with emotions and social behaviors)
mysticstylez
Banned
Vagabundo said:
There is nothing "complex" about someone killing themself. They are typically people who are too afraid to get the help they need, they are too embarassed to get help. Don't get me wrong I feel sorry for these people, not because they killed themselves, but because they couldn't cope with their problems. Suicide is never the answer to someone's problems, it IS the easy way out of having a difficult life.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I'm glad to hear from his brother that it had nothing to do with the game. Still, its disturbing that people would e-stalk him over the game update. Perhaps the lesson learned in that regard is that if you are going to release a major nerf/change in an MMO, you don't want a frontman to take the brunt of the criticism. Have the studio share the responsibility.
maniac-kun
Member
every 30 seconds one guy is killing himself you would have a realy sad day if you would care for everyone and thats 1 million a year so i dont care he will have had his reasons
He didn't actually take his own life. It's all a big cover-up by the G-Man. He will be back to save Earth in the near future.
It's considered a mortal sin, therefore you go to hell if you kill yourself.
Whether or not you believe in that, I still say suicide is wrong. You do not have the right to kill yourself if only for the fact that you'll be bringing on great pain and shame to your loved ones.
Sol.. said:
It's considered a mortal sin, therefore you go to hell if you kill yourself.
Whether or not you believe in that, I still say suicide is wrong. You do not have the right to kill yourself if only for the fact that you'll be bringing on great pain and shame to your loved ones.
why? I respect the corner one finds themselves and the pressure to make the scariest decision in your life. in fact, I feel more sorry for someone who chose to end his life than that who was oblivious to his end or went naturally.DrPirate said:
I almost been in that spot. and I know I'll be tested again. the next time, i'm not too sure I'll be strong enough...
mysticstylez said:
Suicide is a very complex issue as there is not one underlying cause or solution. It is generally the end result of years of suffering and it is not something you can talk about in broad strokes and to judge someone who has committed suicide is wrong. It is not the black and white issue you believe it is.
Generally people who commit suicide have battled and suffered for years with mental health problems and have been through multiple treatments for them. Do you actually know anyone with mental health problems? Bipolar disorder, depression or schizophrenia? It is impossible not to feel sympathy for people who suffer with these problems and it is easy to see how they would seek relief, however misguided we see it, from the torment.
There are people who have these problems and live perfectly normal lives, but there are many who fall through the cracks and for many reasons don't get the help they need and are unable to help themselves.
So before you label this as an "easy" way out spare a though for the rough road they have travelled and then maybe send a prayer their way hoping they are now at peace. There is nothing easy about suicide and nothing easy about the life that led to it.