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Sad.

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There is nothing "complex" about someone killing themself. They are typically people who are too afraid to get the help they need, they are too embarassed to get help. Don't get me wrong I feel sorry for these people, not because they killed themselves, but because they couldn't cope with their problems. Suicide is never the answer to someone's problems, it IS the easy way out of having a difficult life.

Seriously, shut the fuck up. This isn't the place or time for this. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go watch "The Bridge".

 

[mysticstylez]

It's not that simple. It's not. And you are stupid and ignorant if you belive that and refuse to change your mind on the subject. Read up.

Apparently it isn't as difficult as the problems that person is facing to lead him to kill himself. Like I said, it's taking the easy way out of the problems in your life. It's cowardly.

 

[i hate bees]

every 30 seconds one guy is killing himself you would have a realy sad day if you would care for everyone and thats 1 million a year so i dont care he will have had his reasons

Reading this actually gave me a headache.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

I can't fucking stand some of the aggressors in this topic. I personally can't perceive how anybody could call suicide the easy way, I could never imagine being in a situation where I'd be feeling so awful about my like that killing myself would be the best answer, nor would I ever have the balls to go through with it (not that that's not a good thing).

Yes it might not of been an honourable action, however we certainly don't have enough information on this to make any judgements, and even if we did, seeing the little difference it would make I don't think we should. I just think it's a tragic end to somebodies life, and my sentiments go to his family who I hope can help each other through this.

 

[mysticstylez]

I can't fucking stand some of the aggressors in this topic. I personally can't perceive how anybody could call suicide the easy way, I could never imagine being in a situation where I'd be feeling so awful about my like that killing myself would be the best answer, nor would I ever have the balls to go through with it (not that that's not a good thing).

I believe it takes more balls to confront your problems and situations in life and overcome them, then to kill yourself. Killing yourself is not having the balls to get help, or speak with family members and friends for help.

 

[lilltias]

Apparently it isn't as difficult as the problems that person is facing to lead him to kill himself. Like I said, it's taking the easy way out of the problems in your life. It's cowardly.

Your way of deduction is hilarious. He's not just escaping a bunch of problems. He is so ill and tormented that he choses to take his own life. Think about it.

Anyway, you really don't know anything about it and you don't seem inclined to listen to me or any other person in here talking about it so I'll just leave it.

edit: It's about balls now? Don't you think people seek help for their suicidal thoughts? You are naiv and ignorant.

 

[Vagabundo]

Your way of deduction is hilarious. He's not just escaping a bunch of problems. He is so ill and tormented that he choses to take his own life. Think about it.

Anyway, you really don't know anything about it and you don't seem inclined to listen to me or any other person in here talking about it so I'll just leave it.

Read some of the threads he has started in OT. You realise why he is like this.

 

[f3niks]

Never played SWG but the whole thing is horrible. RIP.

 

[LiK]

jesus...

 

[mittelos]

I believe it takes more balls to confront your problems and situations in life and overcome them, then to kill yourself. Killing yourself is not having the balls to get help, or speak with family members and friends for help.

Just stop; you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Falagard]

Wow... I was just checking out Jeff Freeman and found his blog. Apparently he last posted about a week ago.

http://mythicalblog.com/

So I check out the comments, on his own blog, after his suicide and see this:

I was a pre-NGE SW:G fan. May the weight of your sins burden you even in hell!

Thanks for screwing Star Wars up nearly as badly as Lucas had. I don’t really care about SW, but sins against gameplay are grievous.

Hey guys, here’s a Flash Fact for ya: There’s nothing but oblivion after death, so the bastard escaped life with no punishment.

Never played SWG. Heard bad things about it. But whatever.

Suicide is weak and I’ll never apologize for saying that.

My condolences to the family and friends you left behind, you selfish fuck.

Unbelievable.

 

[TomServo]

I was a hardcore SWG player long, long ago. I quit after the first "upgrade", never seeing the NGE.

Sad for this guy. I never understood the hatred people felt towards the devs. They always seemed like they wanted the best for the game, and were being forced along their path by the higher-ups.

Pray for his family.

 

[mysticstylez]

Just stop; you couldn't be more wrong.

Elaborate on how I am wrong.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

RIP.

Really pathetic if some SWG fanboys drove him to it. They should all feel ashamed.

 

[unreon]

But why the backlash against non-offensive jokes? Laughter is the best way to remember someone, and try to move on. I hope someone makes a (good) joke when I die, and may all of GAF laugh when they read it.

But his death wasn't the most pleasant of cases. Whatever the circumstances were surrounding his death, I'm sure were pretty tragic.

If, however, I died of old age after living a long and fulfilling life without any regrets, then yeah I'd hope that someone somewhere would joke and remember my life with humour.

RIP

 

[todahawk]

that wouldn't be an issue if you don't have loved ones.

what will happen next is my real fear or I would've taken that road a long time ago.

Dude, seriously. Get some help. Talk to someone. A doctor, friend, priest, anyone.

 

[Nolan.]

Why do death threads (especially in the gaming section) always turn to crap. A Woman's husband shoots her and kills himself = ''She shouldn't have had an affair'' + ''suicide is weak''. Guy kills himself for a collection of reasons we don't know all about =''Suicide is weak'' .

 

[Feral Youth]

Wow... I was just checking out Jeff Freeman and found his blog. Apparently he last posted about a week ago.

http://mythicalblog.com/

So I check out the comments, on his own blog, after his suicide and see this:







Unbelievable.

Really, you ain't seen nothing. I saw a 17 year old lad jump off the roof of a shopping centre at the weekend.

100 odd people were there with mobile phones out shouting jump.

The most sickening thing I've ever seen.

 

[Quixzlizx]

I think people who get so worked up about how suicide is a sin/cowardly/selfish have unresolved issues of their own. Isn't it selfish for person's loved ones to want someone to live at all costs, including said loved one's abject misery? And for the people who call it cowardly, I would postulate that most suicides are more due to the cumulative despair accumulated over a long period of time, to the point where it seems that a person can not imagine a future where he will ever escape it. That's not "escaping a problem," that's making a decision that no existence at all is better than an existence that is filled with pain, and will always be filled with pain. That decision in a vacuum seems to be a rational one, even if the person making it may have mental problems that compromises his rational faculties.

 

[Scrow]

i can't believe that the shit storm behind SWG had nothing to do with his suicide.

whatever though. that doesn't really matter now.

 

[Facism]

boo-hoo, tbh.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

I believe it takes more balls to confront your problems and situations in life and overcome them, then to kill yourself. Killing yourself is not having the balls to get help, or speak with family members and friends for help.

I don't want to have to justify myself here because the line's way to thin between showing that suicide's not cowardly and condoning it which I'd never do. But I think I made my opinion clear enough in my last post, I could never imagine killing myself over anything so I think a person would need something they perceive as a pretty fucking good reason to go through with it. Seriously, you have to stop imagining you know how other people think or believe they should conform to your priorities, especially when you know nothing of the situation. For example his brother saying "He has been troubled for some time. There were a lot of personal issues that tore at him." suggests he spoken to family members about these things, you have no idea how much help he tried to get.

 

[lilltias]

I think people who get so worked up about how suicide is a sin/cowardly/selfish have unresolved issues of their own. Isn't it selfish for person's loved ones to want someone to live at all costs, including said loved one's abject misery? And for the people who call it cowardly, I would postulate that most suicides are more due to the cumulative despair accumulated over a long period of time, to the point where it seems that a person can not imagine a future where he will ever escape it. That's not "escaping a problem," that's making a decision that no existence at all is better than an existence that is filled with pain, and will always be filled with pain. That decision in a vacuum seems to be a rational one, even if the person making it may have mental problems that compromises his rational faculties.

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It's ok to be suicidal if you are paralized from neck and down because then your life is of course worth less, but suffering 'only' from mental illness isn't enough to warrant a suicide. Or that's how some people seem to think of it. It's sad.

 

[Vagabundo]

I think people who get so worked up about how suicide is a sin/cowardly/selfish have unresolved issues of their own. Isn't it selfish for person's loved ones to want someone to live at all costs, including said loved one's abject misery? And for the people who call it cowardly, I would postulate that most suicides are more due to the cumulative despair accumulated over a long period of time, to the point where it seems that a person can not imagine a future where he will ever escape it. That's not "escaping a problem," that's making a decision that no existence at all is better than an existence that is filled with pain, and will always be filled with pain. That decision in a vacuum seems to be a rational one, even if the person making it may have mental problems that compromises his rational faculties.

I don't want to have to justify myself here because the line's way to thin between showing that suicide's not cowardly and condoning it which I'd never do. But I think I made my opinion clear enough in my last post, I could never imagine killing myself over anything so I think a person would need something they perceive as a pretty fucking good reason to go through with it. Seriously, you have to stop imagining you know how other people think or believe they should conform to your priorities, especially when you know nothing of the situation. For example his brother saying "He has been troubled for some time. There were a lot of personal issues that tore at him." suggests he spoken to family members about these things, you have no idea how much help he tried to get.

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It's ok to be suicidal if you are paralized from neck and down because then your life is of course worth less, but suffering 'only' from mental illness isn't enough to warrant a suicide. Or that's how some people seem to think of it. It's sad.

Three steps forward.

boo-hoo, tbh.

One step back.

 

[Vyer]

Being unable to empathize with fellow human beings, spouting off or preaching about subjects you don't understand and disrespecting those around you is also the 'easy' way to roll through life.

Talk about selfish.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Seriously, shut the fuck up. This isn't the place or time for this. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go watch "The Bridge".

I think you need to stay off the internet if you want to try to bully someone out of stating a valid, perfectly appropriate exploration of this topic. And if watching some sensationalist "film" about suicide means that you "know what you are talking about" then I think he is better off ignorant.

 

[DarkKyo]

That's sad.

 

[Flachmatuch]

Apparently it isn't as difficult as the problems that person is facing to lead him to kill himself. Like I said, it's taking the easy way out of the problems in your life. It's cowardly.

You think like a 14 year old, because maybe you are? You certainly aren't any more mature mentally.

Social environment, mental illness and problems, poverty, problems in private life can (and do, predictably) lead to suicide (look at India for example). Saying that it's the "easy way out" just shows that you have no experience and empathy and prefer to judge people to understanding them.

I think you need to stay off the internet if you want to try to bully someone out of stating a valid, perfectly appropriate exploration of this topic. And if watching some sensationalist "film" about suicide means that you "know what you are talking about" then I think he is better off ignorant.

It's valid only if you have no knowledge on this topic. It's a kind of principle based "theory" about suicide, nothing to do with the real issue, which is obviously pretty complex (which is exactly what people like mysticwhoever doesn't understand). Life is not this simple, it's not enough to have a few "principles", bases of deduction, to understand everything, and in fact you have to be wary of any "principle" that tells you you are superior to someone, especially if all you know about them is from a single article.

 

[dork]

R.I.P, SWG was one of the best MMO's ive ever played (Quit alittle bit before the NGE)

agreed

Best MMO and PC game I have ever played. RIP

 

[Shockgamer]

It's considered a mortal sin, therefore you go to hell if you kill yourself.

Can't make money off of the poor and enslaved if they decide they don't want to play anymore, right?

 

[sammy]

Wow... I was just checking out Jeff Freeman and found his blog. Apparently he last posted about a week ago.

http://mythicalblog.com/

So I check out the comments, on his own blog, after his suicide and see this:

Unbelievable.

tasteless jokes are one thing ... if anything an awkward attempt to lift spirits

but this...

:[

 

[ElyrionX]

Social environment, mental illness and problems, poverty, problems in private life can (and do, predictably) lead to suicide (look at India for example). Saying that it's the "easy way out" just shows that you have no experience and empathy and prefer to judge people to understanding them.

I didn't really want to jump into this again but then after reading this, I can't help myself.

Are you saying that the people who say "He must have been going through a lot to have done that" before they even know or understand what the guy was going through have more empathy than those who are condemning him for being "cowardly"?

 

[andycapps]

My condolences to his family.

 

[Flachmatuch]

I didn't really want to jump into this again but then after reading this, I can't help myself.

Are you saying that the people who say "He must have been going through a lot to have done that" before they even know or understand what the guy was going through have more empathy than those who are condemning him for being "cowardly"?

Probably, they certainly behave that way They know real world examples of depression or mental illness leading to suicide while the "cowardly" theory equates suicide with cowardice and doesn't really take possible external circumstances into account - it seems to deny that what happens to you in your life actually matters. That's usually a young person's viewpoint One is purely theoretical, just a principle, the other is practical and incorporates real world experience. I think that's a very significant difference. I think it also indicates more empathy, at least on a conscious level hehe. They take more possibilities (real life stuff, from experience) into account when they try to understand what he did, and of course they're more understanding and less judgemental, and I think that's also a trait of empathy.

 

[LaserBuddha]

It's valid only if you have no knowledge on this topic. It's a kind of principle based "theory" about suicide, nothing to do with the real issue, which is obviously pretty complex (which is exactly what people like mysticwhoever doesn't understand). Life is not this simple, it's not enough to have a few "principles", bases of deduction, to understand everything, and in fact you have to be wary of any "principle" that tells you you are superior to someone, especially if all you know about them is from a single article.

The problem is someone thinking they can come onto the internet, of all places, imagine that they have some sort of arbitrary control over the flow of ideas, and attack someone for deviating from it.

Its kind of like your arbitrary standards on who has "knowledge of the topic", which I guess is simply based on whether or not their theory lines up with yours.

 

[mittelos]

Elaborate on how I am wrong.

Honestly, unless you've experienced severe depression first hand, it's extremely difficult to comprehend. I'm not looking for a debate, just suggesting that you stop commenting on something that you don't understand.

 

[Flachmatuch]

The problem is someone thinking they can come onto the internet, of all places, imagine that they have some sort of arbitrary control over the flow of ideas, and attack someone for deviating from it.

I don't really think they imagined that, I think "fuck off" is just an expression of annoyance It's certainly nowhere near as immature as the "cowardice" theory :-DDD Of course this can turn to harassment and worse, it happens on internet forums, but I don't think it's like that in this case, it's just vehement disagreement, no problem with that imo. I agree that it's not practical because it basically provokes the other person not to give a shit about your arguments, it'll just be about "winning" the debate.

Its kind of like your arbitrary standards on who has "knowledge of the topic", which I guess is simply based on whether or not their theory lines up with yours.

It's not just a different theory, it's fundamentally different because it has nothing to do with reality and experience, it's just a theoretical principle. That's pretty annoying, but he's probably just a kid, lots of people go through this

 

[Big-E]

It really kills me how so many people have no empathy whatsoever. You guys didn't live with his troubles so how the hell can you guys call him a coward and the like?

 

[Ferrio]

It really kills me how so many people have no empathy whatsoever. You guys didn't live with his troubles so how the hell can you guys call him a coward and the like?

Not calling him a coward, I call anyone who does it a coward. Maybe he has some special circumstances that might invalidate my opinion. Nothing personal with this guy here, just an overall stance I have.

As for empathy, yes I'm sad over it.. why it pisses me off. If I didn't care then it wouldn't upset me when people do it.

 

[Flachmatuch]

Not calling him a coward, I call anyone who does it a coward. Maybe he has some special circumstances that might invalidate my opinion. Nothing personal with this guy here, just an overall stance I have.

Exactly, that's the problem, that you have a general principle on stuff you know nothing about...and that you don't see what's wrong with that

 

[andycapps]

Can't you guys take this to OT? This seems like a pretty callous response to clutter this thread with a debate over whether suicide is or isn't "something."

 

[BravoSuperStar]

It's a sad affair all around and noone can know exactly what lead him to make this decision. I just don't understand how some of you can feel comfortable judging him and his motives. Seems an immature way to respond. I offer my deepest sympathy to his friends and family and hope that in the next life he can reconcile with his demons.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Exactly, that's the problem, that you have a general principle on stuff you know nothing about...and that you don't see what's wrong with that

Totally OT, but I love your avatar. "Have you ever met a bug that thinks?"

 

[Flachmatuch]

Frankly, I find the idea offensive.

 

[Torquill]

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It's ok to be suicidal if you are paralized from neck and down because then your life is of course worth less...

Um, no? Stephen Hawking? (Yes, not actually paralyzed, but I think you get the point)

 

[Flachmatuch]

@andycapps: sorry, you're completely right...but

Um, no? Stephen Hawking? (Yes, not actually paralyzed, but I think you get the point)

How low can one go?

 

[lilltias]

Um, no? Stephen Hawking? (Yes, not actually paralyzed, but I think you get the point)

Thanks for reading all of my post! (and thanks for just qouting that sentence, making me look like an idiot)

 

[Open Source]

One of the last blog entries is: http://mythicalblog.com/index.php/funny/hows-the-economy

 

[gnarkill bill]

R.I.P

 

[dark steve]

Could someone please help me? I'm having trouble finding the part in the rules where it says it's okay to joke about people's deaths in the Off Topic forum, but not the Gaming forum.