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Forza 2 Info From IGN (PGR3 Update To Add Force Feedback?)
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Gek54 said:
Yo Gek, why the fuck do you have to hate? Jesus christ.
1). it isn't 900 degrees of rotation, but I don't know how many degrees it actually is because I haven't used the wheel yet and I'm not a part of the design team. i'm going to assume it will be similar to the logitech GT3 wheel in terms of rotation.
2). the physics updates and control polling is exactly the same as Forza 1. graphics bumped up to 60fps.
Big Takeover
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Brand new engine. Very nice. I think I remember rumors of Forza1 being developed in parallel with this next gen effort. Was that the case, or has the team been going hardcore for the last year?
Confidence Man
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Good to know that it's a brand new engine, but why not a single screenshot? I understand why there's no demo, but surely it can't be too much trouble to get a picture or two together.
FLUXCapacitor
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Che, will there be an in-car view like PGR3?
Big Takeover
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IGN's description reads like this;
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chespace said:
:lol
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Gek54 said:
Boooooooo!
The ONLY type of racer that truely needs the cabin view that PGR3 has are true SIM racing games. A "hood view" (aside from the 3rd person view) in Forza 2 would suck balls.
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MbGCaM said:
Bah! Just create a generic Cabin or some shit. Doesn't have to fit in them with every single car. I just got spoiled with PGR3s inner cabin view. Its going to suck going back to overlooking a hood.
Squirrel Killer
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Something seems a little wonky on the environment count.
Amazon.com re: Forza 1 "And once your ride is ready, you can immerse yourself in 17 different environments..."
Xbox.com re: Forza 2 "Forza Motorsport 2 features over 60 tracks carved out of 18 environments.... Four new real-world licensed circuits further expand the world of Forza Motorsport 2."
Amazon.com re: Forza 1 "And once your ride is ready, you can immerse yourself in 17 different environments..."
Xbox.com re: Forza 2 "Forza Motorsport 2 features over 60 tracks carved out of 18 environments.... Four new real-world licensed circuits further expand the world of Forza Motorsport 2."
Spaceman Spiff
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skybaby said:I hope Rio is there, I want to see my city in full HD res thanks
You heard me Che!
From the Forza 2 page at Xbox.com:
Big Takeover
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Squirrel Killer said:
Who knows at this point. That said... there are 3 "environments" which make up the point-to-point races. Autocross, Pacific Shipyards, and Fujimi Kaido. Subtract those three, add four new environments and boom 18 environments for Forza2.
So is point-to-point out of Forza2?
The fuck if I know, but there is my stab in the dark.
The steering wheel sounds excellent.
FF for feedback when bumping other cars, hitting barriers, etc.
Mechanism (maybe motor, maybe spring) used for auto-centering (this alone will make it far better than any of the Logitec wheels).
Rumble for simlating road feel (and thus tires slipping).
And the best feature of all...all driving games must support it!
This is one area where MS messed up on the Xbox, and they've addressed it in full with the 360. Even if it costs more than $100Cdn, I'm buying it on the first day.
FF for feedback when bumping other cars, hitting barriers, etc.
Mechanism (maybe motor, maybe spring) used for auto-centering (this alone will make it far better than any of the Logitec wheels).
Rumble for simlating road feel (and thus tires slipping).
And the best feature of all...all driving games must support it!
This is one area where MS messed up on the Xbox, and they've addressed it in full with the 360. Even if it costs more than $100Cdn, I'm buying it on the first day.
Fight for Freeform said:
Do you have any experience with force feedback wheels?
It's just a byproduct of forcefeedback, not an additional special feature.
The very nature of forcefeedback is to pull the wheel against the player, so FF wheels all have the ability to recenter.
Infact, the very first thing that the DFP does when you boot up GT4 is test and center itself.
To address it fully would be to give support to the new Logitech FF wheel that I posted earlier in this thread (link to another thread).
900 degrees, clutch, gated 6 speed gearbox, platform agnostic buttons (they're not marked, so no triangle, square, circle, X confusion).
Im not really understanding this secondary rumble motor creating "5.1 surround of force feedback". If it was a rumble pad to sit on, yes, but all the Logitech TFF wheels can produce multiple levels of vibration as well as resistance at the same time so its hard to imagine this wheel creating a distinct rumble that lets you sense rear wheel slipping. Maybe a high speed motor in the actual grip of the wheel?
and i just know i will break it somehow...I'm so jazzed about Forza 2 being 60fps. Not because I give a shit personally, mind you...just because it means that every Forza 2 thread won't devolve into an idiotic argument over framerates. That said, we probably have a lot of Ridge Racer 7 (or GT5)/Forza 2 pissing contests to look forward to.
m0dus said:The info was direct from And Greenwalt, the director of Forza 2. How exactly is he a 'PR talking head' ?
:lol
For your rather unsophisticated attempt at a troll, you've earned yourself another jax.
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m0dus.. you're working extra hard doing crazy ass MS damage control when its not needed. There isn't even anything to damage control except that cgi trailer.
I don't get all this FORZA2 hype. We didn't even get a single screenshot. And no footage which makes all the fps talk a bit redundant.
Confidence Man said:
PjotrStroganov
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The wheel is.... just a generic racing wheel. I don't think it will even get close to the DFP. Why can't Micrsoft just sign the old 3rd party wheels?
Oh....dumb question.
Oh....dumb question.
I will second that. Motion blur looks like crap. Obviously the more used, the worse it looks. Even if PGR3 had everything going for it (which it didn't), the motion blur would have single handedly ruined it. I don't know what the hell these developers are thinking, especially Bizarre with their 10x more than normal motion blur effects. The bad thing is that a lot of Xbox 2 games are using motion blur and it is a little disturbing.Gek54 said:Oh just you wait, I will wage a major bitchfest over blur if I cant turn that crap off durring gameplay, subtle or not. >
Developers seem to think that it covers up sloppy frame rates. No it does not. I love people who try to justify the whole 30fps argument too. The argument that movies use it so it makes them look like they are smooth. They don't look smooth at all to me. A 24fps film looks like it is 24fps. Motion blur does not fill in the gaps, it just makes things look ugly with their original FPS numbers on top of them. I can stand a little motion blur but any more than RR6 uses and the blur just takes away from the graphics.
Kabuki Waq
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wow its seems GEK is just looking for ways he can troll the game when it comes out.
PjotrStroganov
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Stinkles said:
No 900 and no three pedals? Not having both isn't a problem. Not having one of them: generic.
Btw, I do let it sound like generic is bad or something, but it doesn't have to be. But for a sim enthusiast these functions are not what gets them going. I'm no hardcore sim enthusiast but a wheel that is going to be used with semi sim like Forza 2 should have some features to set it apart from the rest.
Zaptruder said:
There are wheels without motors that do the same thing as they use a spring system. It sounds like there is a seperate system on this MS wheel.
Rally and Daytona racers, when training, use wheels that don't use motors for re-centering, they use spring based re-centering wheels.
Big Takeover
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Gek54 said:Yeah hood view is fine for me.
What is the story behind this thing? and is it suppose to be in the game?
I just saw this thing (sans sprint car wing) in a video posted over on jalopnik. Check the
2:17 mark to see this Jeep srt8 do the burnout to end all burnouts.
Well Che, glad to hear you are "on the team" so to speak. That is the only reason I have any faith in this 60fps holding up. Don't let them compromise it. I'd take black and white over 30fps if I have to and so would many others. To my knowledge, MS has never made a first party Xbox game that runs at 60fps. Ignoring all the pleas for it in the past sends the signal that their thinking is that 30fps is just fine and if you think that 60fps is any better, well then you are crazy.
Whenever I hear 60fps from someone who does not have a good track record, I think of Bizarre. They kept saying they were targetting 60fps. I knew it would be 30fps and they were just saying 60fps to get people off their back. Even at TGS, weeks before the game was finished they were still saying that they were targeting 60fps. Nothing says BS more than this.
Now that the game is out, we see that my thinking them saying 60fps just to get people off their backs was 100% true. First off, the game is locked at 30fps. Secondly, the draw distance was cut down to maintain the horrid 30fps. Thirdly, and the dead give away was that it is rendered at 1024x600. Supposedly against the standards of the 360. You can clearly see that if this game was rendered at 1280x720, this game would have been lucky to maintain 25fps (like Forza now to think of it). Early on, if they said they were targeting 60fps and the game turned out to be terrible fps wise, I could have bought it however them still using the 60fps line weeks until completion just says that their ambitions was never 60fps, they just used it as a scapegoat because of all the shit they got over PGR2.
Whenever I hear 60fps from someone who does not have a good track record, I think of Bizarre. They kept saying they were targetting 60fps. I knew it would be 30fps and they were just saying 60fps to get people off their back. Even at TGS, weeks before the game was finished they were still saying that they were targeting 60fps. Nothing says BS more than this.
Now that the game is out, we see that my thinking them saying 60fps just to get people off their backs was 100% true. First off, the game is locked at 30fps. Secondly, the draw distance was cut down to maintain the horrid 30fps. Thirdly, and the dead give away was that it is rendered at 1024x600. Supposedly against the standards of the 360. You can clearly see that if this game was rendered at 1280x720, this game would have been lucky to maintain 25fps (like Forza now to think of it). Early on, if they said they were targeting 60fps and the game turned out to be terrible fps wise, I could have bought it however them still using the 60fps line weeks until completion just says that their ambitions was never 60fps, they just used it as a scapegoat because of all the shit they got over PGR2.