I just wanted to point out that the game is now playable (to my standards) on my system. It wasn't prior to yesterday's patch, no matter the settings. I agree that performance in comparison to the X1 is "truly abysmal" as you put it. It's definitely one of the worst ports in recent memory. I don't think anyone is defending it here.
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Forza Horizon 3 PC Performance Thread
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I just wanted to point out that the game is now playable (to my standards) on my system. It wasn't prior to yesterday's patch, no matter the settings. I agree that performance in comparison to the X1 is "truly abysmal" as you put it. It's definitely one of the worst ports in recent memory. I don't think anyone is defending it here.
SeeNoWeevil
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I really struggle to believe the XB runs High settings *all* the time. It must have some sort of clever scaling in place.
RamaTheVoice
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As far as I'm aware all the graphics settings on XBone seem to be dynamic, even resolution. I believe the only static setting is 4x MSAA.
Serious Sam
Member
Maybe there is minimal and very smart dynamic scaling in Xbox version, but I played for over 60 hours and haven't noticed any changing in graphics/picture quality.
pretty done
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Finally after the last patch I can finally play without hitching or lag, but sadly I can't even finish a race without it crashing
And here I am, haven't crashed since day 2 but I can't do a race involving dirt or water on the roads or else I drop to 25-26 fps. This port is straight garbage, even Arkham Knight runs laps around this shit.
I6700k, n1080, 16gb ram etc. 2560x1080, everything ultra or high.
Still drops to under 50fps in Surfers Paradise sometimes even if I drop some settings to high.
At 30fps I can ultra everything and use 5120x2160 super res, and never drop a frame. Looks amazing and still feels smooth. Yes I'd prefer 60fps but frame drops kill immersion.
Update: if I OC to 4.4ghz I can get very close to never dropping a frame. But I have to go back to 2560x1080. I still prefer the above.
Still drops to under 50fps in Surfers Paradise sometimes even if I drop some settings to high.
At 30fps I can ultra everything and use 5120x2160 super res, and never drop a frame. Looks amazing and still feels smooth. Yes I'd prefer 60fps but frame drops kill immersion.
Update: if I OC to 4.4ghz I can get very close to never dropping a frame. But I have to go back to 2560x1080. I still prefer the above.
I don't believe I have heard anything about the Bone version having dynamic resolution.
Pretty similar setup (6600K/1080). Static geometry seems to be the main issue for me. Once set to medium I only drop a frame or 2 in SP w/ rain and lots of AI. 60@3620x1500 something. I was running 5k but need to fiddle with it some more since the update.
The latest patch definitely helped a lot which is nice to see. Framerate is definitely more stable overall. Having said that, any area with lots of buildings (Surfer's Paradise being the most obvious example, though there's also a section in Byron Bay with a lot of houses) still tanks my framerate down to the 40s, so hopefully that's the next thing they work on.
SeeNoWeevil
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It makes absolutely no sense that I have such good performance around SP, yet see framedrops in the actual races outside of SP.
I can't tell honestly what this one is doing. This game behaves completely irrational. My 4k 36fps lock trick is unplayable now. However. at 1080p plus a mixmatch of random settings, I'm getting surprising good frames on unlocked (55-70).
Two things I've noticed for sure though: Having your settings on absolute low to off, hurts your frames. I can be getting 55 in one spot with everything to low, and switch to my mishmash of low-ultra and get 70. As well, having MSAA off loses frames. I gain frames setting it to 8x. Not a lot, but like ~5ish.
So I don't know. I did hit some weird bugs though. Got locked to 9fps for an entire race with the audio glitching repeatedly. Looked like saving private ryan in the 'losing it' scenes but I was allowed to keep racing without a crash. I also had one where I was teleporting all around like I was playing in an online match with 2000 ping, but I was in single player. That was pretty bizarre.
Otherwise seems the same as before. Still getting frame locks at random spots.
Two things I've noticed for sure though: Having your settings on absolute low to off, hurts your frames. I can be getting 55 in one spot with everything to low, and switch to my mishmash of low-ultra and get 70. As well, having MSAA off loses frames. I gain frames setting it to 8x. Not a lot, but like ~5ish.
So I don't know. I did hit some weird bugs though. Got locked to 9fps for an entire race with the audio glitching repeatedly. Looked like saving private ryan in the 'losing it' scenes but I was allowed to keep racing without a crash. I also had one where I was teleporting all around like I was playing in an online match with 2000 ping, but I was in single player. That was pretty bizarre.
Otherwise seems the same as before. Still getting frame locks at random spots.
Came back to try out this mess and it is still a mess..
Framerate stays the same at 4K, 1440p, 1080p, 720p on and on.
Running a Titan XP with and i7 6850K
This port is a knee slapper. Also, most rims on my cars disappear at highspeeds most of the time. I'm about to just forget this game exists for a while and just play Assetto Corsa. Especially with the new Porsche pack coming.
Framerate stays the same at 4K, 1440p, 1080p, 720p on and on.
Running a Titan XP with and i7 6850K
This port is a knee slapper. Also, most rims on my cars disappear at highspeeds most of the time. I'm about to just forget this game exists for a while and just play Assetto Corsa. Especially with the new Porsche pack coming.
I'm getting another serious issue now that I've spent more time with the game. I guess it's related to that time my game got stuck at 9fps for a race. Now, randomly, the game will just go to crap, and every time I try to do any action, even just highlighting a menu option, the game will tank to 0fps, and then recover back up to speed. It's almost exactly like scrolling the old rims selection screen before it was fixed, but it happens for everything. This makes it completely unplayable.
The bigger issue is that it takes my Windows down with it too. The OS becomes really laggy and unresponsive. I can't multitask at all and opening the start menu takes forever. Interestingly enough, the task manager doesn't give me any indications of why. CPU usage isn't being held hostage by the game and my ram is only around 7gb of 16. Disk usage stays at 0% and I don't hear it reading much.
If I quit the game while this is happening, it stays in the task manager even though it's gone from the taskbar, and continues to use 6gb of ram. If I keep mashing "end task" for about 2 minutes, it will finally close and I get control back of my computer. So it's definitely the game doing it.
This never happened prior to the newest patch. Not sure what to make of this.
The bigger issue is that it takes my Windows down with it too. The OS becomes really laggy and unresponsive. I can't multitask at all and opening the start menu takes forever. Interestingly enough, the task manager doesn't give me any indications of why. CPU usage isn't being held hostage by the game and my ram is only around 7gb of 16. Disk usage stays at 0% and I don't hear it reading much.
If I quit the game while this is happening, it stays in the task manager even though it's gone from the taskbar, and continues to use 6gb of ram. If I keep mashing "end task" for about 2 minutes, it will finally close and I get control back of my computer. So it's definitely the game doing it.
This never happened prior to the newest patch. Not sure what to make of this.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Why haven't there been any visual graphics setting comparisons yet?
There was somone on the official forum reporting something similar. Massive slow downs every 3 seconds which took the OS with it.
Stuttering gone from what it looks. FPS is still low anywhere near building, but with locked 45 FPS its playable, with no input lag. Thank god, finally I can spend some time in the game. CPU and GPU are still mostly idling when dropping FPS, so that still needs to be fixed.
RamaTheVoice
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I think they did. 2 crashes in 2 hours today whereas yesterday I didn't have a single one in 5 hours of play, and I also lost all the performance gains I experienced in Surfer's Paradise yesterday.
Anyone else having issues? I think I'm gonna try rolling back the drivers, see if that changes anything.
Popsickles
Member
Since update I am having an issue where some cars have no card picture in Garage
Anyone else have this or know how to fix as its annoying
Anyone else have this or know how to fix as its annoying
jediyoshi
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That's a known issue. As in, it already existed and they're aware it's still a case. Not: this update has introduced this issue.
TheAdmiester
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Since update I am having an issue where some cars have no card picture in Garage
Anyone else have this or know how to fix as its annoying
I have the same thing with a few cars, I think it's related to applying someone else'a tune.
Try changing the car visually like new paint or an aero part, it should make it generate a new thumbnail.
SeeNoWeevil
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Ok, RAM speed massively affects SP perf, but not much else. Dropped from 1866Mhz to 1333Mhz (disabling XMP so potentially worse timings too) and got shitty performance down the main tram street. I can't say for sure, but I think slower RAM = higher CPU load.
Popsickles
Member
Thanks I will give it a try
Well that's good.. maybe? It doesn't seem worse for me I don't think so I'll take that as a victory.
SonicVolcano
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Posted on the Forza forum:
The downgrade is real and unacceptable.
The downgrade is real and unacceptable.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Are there actually any before and after pics in the same place?
Also, how do you manage to massively downgrade visuals and *not* actually improve performance?
SonicVolcano
Member
I don't know. The downgrade has been confirmed by quite a lot of users. I'm curious to see any before and after pics as well.
And yeah, that is odd indeed. Such a disappointment.
RamaTheVoice
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Between the new patch and the new driver the performance is worse now that it was.
Originally it wasn't great, but it was playable.
Yesterday (post-patch but pre-driver) it was seriously great.
Today it's a stuttery mess, to the point where it now stutters in places it never did before, at the same settings.
WTF.
E: gonna try a clean install (DDU in safe mode and reinstall older drivers) and report back.
Originally it wasn't great, but it was playable.
Yesterday (post-patch but pre-driver) it was seriously great.
Today it's a stuttery mess, to the point where it now stutters in places it never did before, at the same settings.
WTF.
E: gonna try a clean install (DDU in safe mode and reinstall older drivers) and report back.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
I've had the same (lousy) performance from day 1 with no change whatsoever. Actually, that's a lie, they fixed framedrops when driving into the sea. That is the only change I've seen.
Xbudz
Member
Same situation here. I'd love to know if the clean driver install helped out.
Edit, I'm trying the same exact thing right now.
RamaTheVoice
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Xbudz
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Keep us posted, won't be able to try until tomorrow
Reverting back to the older driver worked.
Back to normal. I won't be updating my graphics card driver for a while because I'm having a great time with Forza Horizon 3.
LithiumSpade
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Radeon Crimson driver 16.10.2, latest patch.
Getting locked 30 everywhere on Dynamic Ultra settings. Yup, even Surfers Paradise. Never had a problem with input lag, still don't. Even the crashes seem to have stopped.
R9 380
i3 6100
8GB RAM
Getting locked 30 everywhere on Dynamic Ultra settings. Yup, even Surfers Paradise. Never had a problem with input lag, still don't. Even the crashes seem to have stopped.
R9 380
i3 6100
8GB RAM
RamaTheVoice
Member
Welp, no luck here. Clean-uninstalled drivers with DDU in safe mode, reinstalled previous ones (373.06 I believe), and... It *might* have improved performance a little, but it's nowhere near what I was getting two days ago. I'm now back to low 50s-high 40s in the city (unless I turn shadows off), but at least I'm not getting as much stutter elsewhere anymore.
I'll give it another shot later with textures on high instead of ultra, but since I have a 1080 I'm figuring that may not be the issue.
Kinda don't know what to do anymore. After getting a 5-hour taste of near-perfect performance it's pretty jarring to go back.
E: at least it seems to be crashing less.
E2: and it's STILL auto-detecting settings at 1080p medium despite running a 6600k & GTX 1080!
I'll give it another shot later with textures on high instead of ultra, but since I have a 1080 I'm figuring that may not be the issue.
Kinda don't know what to do anymore. After getting a 5-hour taste of near-perfect performance it's pretty jarring to go back.
E: at least it seems to be crashing less.
E2: and it's STILL auto-detecting settings at 1080p medium despite running a 6600k & GTX 1080!
SeeNoWeevil
Member
You haven't been in the bios recently, have you? If the game is autodetecting lower it more than likely is detecting something clocked lower. Is your RAM speed still the same? HT still enabled? GPU clocked the same? Have you reset the app after the driver install?
I'm fairly convinced SP framerate is bound by RAM perf and high cpu usage is just a symptom of this.
Serious Sam
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I just tried PC version for the first time after playing on Xbox for 60 hours.
There are still plenty drops to 50FPS in Surfers Paradise and doing certain races in certain weather conditions. It just feels meh. This is on a 980Ti at 1080p.
Also noticed many bugs and glitches in PC version. Black windshield in cockpit view, black tire tracks on the beach at night, engine sound is messed up during replay.
Back to Xbox version for now because that was nearly flawless experience for me. At least play anywhere works fine.
There are still plenty drops to 50FPS in Surfers Paradise and doing certain races in certain weather conditions. It just feels meh. This is on a 980Ti at 1080p.
Also noticed many bugs and glitches in PC version. Black windshield in cockpit view, black tire tracks on the beach at night, engine sound is messed up during replay.
Back to Xbox version for now because that was nearly flawless experience for me. At least play anywhere works fine.
RamaTheVoice
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Nope. Ram's at 3Ghz in dual channel. No HT (6600K). Will try resetting the app.
How much vram does the 1080 have? I have the 970 with the 3.5 GB of vram and if I go any higher than low textures i hit ram constraints and my framerate tanks
Robobandit
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8GB
I deleted the game off my HDD and re-installed on my SSD and the difference was night and day.
Before reinstall I was getting 25-30 FPS, unlocking the FPS over 30 was unplayble stuttering.
After reinstall I get 45-60 FPS, even with the frame dips in populated areas it feels much smoother. Settings set to High.
Spec:
i5 2500k @4.2ghz
8GB Ram
GTX 980 4GB
I don't know if it was the result of putting it on the SSD, or just reinstallling. I have a feeling the patching process was maybe broken, because every previous patch made absolutley no difference to me.
Either way, I'm very happy I can play this game at a reasonable framerate now.
Before reinstall I was getting 25-30 FPS, unlocking the FPS over 30 was unplayble stuttering.
After reinstall I get 45-60 FPS, even with the frame dips in populated areas it feels much smoother. Settings set to High.
Spec:
i5 2500k @4.2ghz
8GB Ram
GTX 980 4GB
I don't know if it was the result of putting it on the SSD, or just reinstallling. I have a feeling the patching process was maybe broken, because every previous patch made absolutley no difference to me.
Either way, I'm very happy I can play this game at a reasonable framerate now.
RamaTheVoice
Member
Frame rate still tanks in the city, but it's smoother everywhere else post-reset.
I just had the time of my life tearing through the countryside in the HE Mini listening to Verdi's Dies Irae. God I love this game.
I just had the time of my life tearing through the countryside in the HE Mini listening to Verdi's Dies Irae. God I love this game.
I assume you've already tried setting both static and dynamic geometry to medium? Those, and shadows to a lesser extent, are CPU-limiting factors on the systems I've tested.
joeygreco1985
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Is anyone getting crashes when using the Groove Radio station? I just unlocked it, and I have gotten 2 crashes when attempting to change from Groove Radio to another station, like immediately after pressing right on the dpad. One just crashed the game, the other gave my PC a BSOD.
Xbudz
Member
This isn't limited to this game but I noticed that my CPU will throttle itself when it gets too hot. I go from 3.4 GHz to 800mhz and it will kill framerates in any game. Might be worth taking a peek at CPU-Z, it will tell you your current clock speed and help you figure out where the problem might be.
It happened to me while I was trying to play FH3, no matter what the resolution was, my framerates was the same. To solve this, I went into the bios to disable power management.
It happened to me while I was trying to play FH3, no matter what the resolution was, my framerates was the same. To solve this, I went into the bios to disable power management.