DJ12
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But they are from a ps5 no?
Are you suggesting no shots are from forza vista?
Just trying to gauge you level of defense force here....
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Forza Motorsport (XSX) vs Gran Turismo 7 (PS5) Graphics Comparison (Up: Video in OP replaced as IGN one was not fit for purpose)
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Are you suggesting no shots are from forza vista?
Just trying to gauge you level of defense force here....
I'm selling my Series X and moving to PS5, Microsoft have fumbled at every step with Starfield and now Forza, I'm just sick of their shit.
If these games were not delayed then what state were they in before? I don't think I've ever owned a console that's been so badly managed in my entire life.
If these games were not delayed then what state were they in before? I don't think I've ever owned a console that's been so badly managed in my entire life.
LOL. What is becoming clear is what your level of defense force is. You have gone from attacking someone without arguments to demanding from others the honesty that you do not apply to yourself.
Whether or not Forza Vista screenshots are used is secondary. In fact, it has already been proven that gameplay screenshots have been used compared to GT7 escape mode screenshots.
But you still haven't managed to understand. What is being said is that in terms of modeling it is indisputable that GT7 is superior in its maximum LOD. Another thing is the LOD and its management that is used during the Gameplay vs photomode or scape mode that are leagues away.
That is to say, it is highlighted that these comparisons do not reflect reality and it is criticized that comparisons of Twitter trolls are used as any evidence and without context. The issue is that you have seen it decent and appropriate to attack Turk1993 while turning a blind eye to those comparisons.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I was thinking about how Starfield had a 2022 release date before and was supposed to compete with God of War ragnarok...and it ended up almost coming out 1 year later.
Imagine how bad it was a year ago.
transformer
Member
These threads always devolve to showing games in their best and worst areas. Often one games best vs the other games worst to make a “preferred” game look the best. Forza gameplay models have been very comparable to GT for sometime. GT non gameplay models have been better for pretty much all time. I think it was PS3 era they developed a tessellation process which could add detail to models which makes them look amazing in scales/photo modes. Unmatched IMO. Gameplay though, looks nothing like those modes.
DJ12
Member
I don't have anything to defend as gt7 clearly looks better in every mode and isn't riddled with bugs or models from 2 generations ago.
But thanks for your time and confirming that you are indeed a fully paid member of the forza defence force.
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Bunta_Fujiwara
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What are you talking about...there are a lot of ingame comparions in this thread and GT still looks better in most cases also ingame. I understand that it's hard to accept for forza fans after all that marketing bs of the most technical advaned racing game ever build from the ground up that is going to destroy all the competition etc. that it loses compared to a cross gen game but that's how it is. Hope that PD will have mercy with GT8 and not improve the game in the aspects that it lacks
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Congratulations on confirming your role here
LOL. Hi Emula !What are you talking about...there are a lot of ingame comparions in this thread and GT still looks better in most cases also ingame. I understand that it's hard to accept for forza fans after all that marketing bs of the most technical advaned racing game ever build from the ground up that is going to destroy all the competition etc. that it loses compared to a cross gen game but that's how it is. Hope that PD will have mercy with GT8 and not improve the game in the aspects that it lacks
PaintTinJr
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He definitely knows what he's doing and subs to DF, so will have had it configured correctly, as a given - but will ask him when I next see him.My PC version is bugged to hell. I was even getting memory leaks after the latest patch so I wouldnt be surprised if your friend is playing the bugged version.
there is definitely a soft look to the game, but in native 4k mode with DLAA or no DLAA, it looks clean and crisp. The soft look is by design and gives the game a very cg feel to it. but it also ventures into personal preference territory. I personally dislike the harsh, bright almost crushed black look of previous forza games, and some race tracks in gt sports. So I do prefer how Forza looks here.
I will record a race or two, but its one of the better looking racing games ive played in the last few years and I have played them all save for GT7. If GT7 looks better, it doesnt mean forza looks bad. It is doing a lot of great things like rain, night time races, lighting, and cars. yes, the same cars that are being trashed in this thread. they look phenomenal during races no matter what time of day. every grid start is a treat because the game looks its best when the track is covered with cars.
That footage you've captures looks about on par with in game live racing experience footage in GT7 from bonnet cam, so assuming you've been driving without showing any racing info -map, rev counter, speed, traction control, gear ino - and that is a genuine live capture of what you saw while racing and not a capture from a replay, then Forza's visual do look all over the place- excellent in parts - compared to the comparison of in-game live capture of the Lotus Esprits(IIRC) some pages back, which looked poor by last gen exactly as he explained his experience to me.
Bunta_Fujiwara
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Lol you are obsessed with emula, get checked...Congratulations on confirming your role here
LOL. Hi Emula !
I'm not the one who never tires of bringing here his/her dishonest comparisons and defending them as if life depended on it...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You should watch the video first, they very clearly say it's for Car LoD's, the actual car details are the same.
Anyway, my guy ShaiKhulud1989 just dipped out of the conversation after Dr. Turk's comparison pics, interesting.
Gingen
Banned
You always take pictures from the same bunch of cars with a notorious lod problem, hiding all the rest (hundreds and hundreds) with perfect lod ingame... lol... you are clearly a troll
Only reflection and some bounces yeah!
Lol they clearly are acting that way, they think the only difference are the reflections. And funny that 90% of the car model comparisons are in scape mode vs the photmode car models that Forza uses during gameplay.
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R3EUIL
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And he never (as far as I remember) showed images comparing the view from inside the car, it's always in 3rd person. At least Emula is more varied in its comparisons.
Senua
Gold Member
Care to post the same comparisons with cars without the LOD problem?
Gingen
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Senua
Gold Member
Some shots are harder to see into than others due to reflections (which look lovely btw)Ingame car models that "someone" prefer to hyde
But this one shows the super low LOD in car pretty well, the hexagonal steering wheel and super low res dash and seats
That being said, I've been playing a lot of Forza Motorsport lately and the car models and shading are just so much better in GT7, it's no even close tbh. Shame about the interior LOD in during gameplay though, I'm sure they could make it higher for the player car at least?
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Gingen
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He also crops the images to enlarge its and magnify the problems that you wouldn't see in the normal gameplay..... quite pathetic
R3EUIL
Neo Member
Turk1993 claims it's because photo mode and gameplay use different assets, if you can show that this doesn't happen and it's just an error, then you'd be rightIngame car models that "someone" prefer to hyde
Gingen
Banned
Can you zoom a little more? I still can't see the single pixels...Some shots are harder to see into than others due to reflections (which look lovely btw)
But this one shows the super low LOD in car pretty well, the hexagonal steering wheel and super low res dash and seats
That being said, I've been playing a lot of Forza Motorsport lately and the car models and shading are just so much better, it's no even close tbh. Shame about the interior LOD in during gameplay though, I'm sure they could make it higher for the player car at least?
Simply accept that GT7 has way better car models than FM is too difficult?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Turk1993 posted actual comparisons, it's not exactly an idle claim.
Only reflection and some bounces yeah!
Lol they clearly are acting that way, they think the only difference are the reflections. And funny that 90% of the car model comparisons are in scape mode vs the photmode car models that Forza uses during gameplay.
Senua
Gold Member
Did you read my post at all? Not everything is us vs them mate. Just posting the proof which I saw, the interiors are low LOD during gameplay like Turk has shown
Gingen
Banned
He purposely selects all the worst cases when if there is a difference in 90% of times it's absolutely invisible ingame.
Hyding all the worst of forza and than become an egle eye against every GT7 difect is simply pathetic
Gingen
Banned
There's a difference between saying that ingame interior lod is lower than photomode and only showing the worst cases.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
This isn't the win you think it is
You're just proving Turk right and that is while desperately trying to hide the ps3 tier interior detail behind reflections as hard as you possibly can.
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Senua
Gold Member
One would assume that all cars share similar LODs no? Minus open tops as they are more readily seen by players. It makes sense to use Lower level of detail in interiors in third person cam, but they may have gone a little far with it considering how pristine the rest of the models are during gameplay. It's more noticeable in certain models because certain models have more visible interior parts to the outside view
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R3EUIL
Neo Member
Well, it's obvious that the comparisons he makes are precarious, but it's up to you to make your own comparisons
Elysium44
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Which you would never notice in gameplay, you can only see it there because you cropped it which has the effect of massively zooming in. Rendering it to a high detail for gameplay, for something nobody would ever see, would be a pointless waste of resources.
Senua
Gold Member
I never said anything different, merely refuting that Turk is biased and is only cherry picking interior LOD shots.
Gingen
Banned
This.
Than in FM you find cars that looks literally like PS2 assets but they don't notice them even at fullscreen... LoL... this discussion is simply surreal
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Senua
Gold Member
Yup PS2 assets indeed, these threads bring out the absolute gutter tier gamefaqs users, i'm all for it. Rock on piss-heels!
PS2 quality is hyperbole but I believe that mitsubishi he posted from GT7 does look pretty tragic in FM23
https://i.redd.it/n04z918arjlb1.jpg
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R3EUIL
Neo Member
It seems obvious to me that the game can render all the photo mode assets during gameplay, this just doesn't happen because it would be a waste of space to render such a detailed part in a 3rd person view
Gingen
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TheShocker
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No. You have to pick a side and argue it vehemently. There is no Switzerland in console warring.Both games look pretty amazing to me.
Senua
Gold Member
Yea it's not great because the source material is out of whack, it can have all the polygons in the world but if what you're modelling is iffy at the source, it's gonna look off. There are cars in Forza that need remodeling for sure, but to say they are "literally PS2 assets" is beyond dumb. Honestly the paint shader isn't helping here either, it needs more diffuse look. FM has real issues with paint, which Horizon 5 didn't even have lolPS2 quality is hyperbole but I believe that mitsubishi he posted from GT7 does look pretty tragic in FM23
https://i.redd.it/n04z918arjlb1.jpg
Reality hurts?
A PS2 would explode trying to render that car lol. Does it look good enough? No it doesn't, but lets not be disingenuous but you don't need to be. You're arguing with someone who shits on Forzas wonky car models more than most, but you gota accept that GT has shitty interior LODS during gameplay too brother
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Gingen
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They are incredibly demanding for the car interiors in third-person view where they don't matter and then they hide all the shots from the Cockpit view where GT7 literally disintegrates FM in detail level and also for the fact to rendering the entire cockpit (including the rear) while FM only render the front portion with terrible details...
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Isn't that exactly what you're doing as well ?
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Anyway, here's the same car's in-race models from both Forza and GT7, Forza's in-game model is rendering more details on the visor and the lights are better rounded, they look more jagged on GT7.
Left forza - Right GT7
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Agreed the hyperbole isn't necessary but the model is the same from FM1 so it being an "OG xbox 1 asset" isn't too far from the truth either.
BTW does FM23 have any fiats at all?
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
Turk still putting in work I see.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
Switzerland was neutral in name, but was sympathetic to the NAZIs. Both games are incredible.
Senua
Gold Member
The source is the same but of course it has way, way more polygons than FM1 models
and nope! hopefully in the future via free DLC...
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//DEVIL//
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beautiful.Ingame car models that "someone" prefer to hyde
Unknown?
Member
Looks like a bugged car? Not all of them have hexagonal headlights.Isn't that exactly what you're doing as well ?
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Anyway, here's the same car's in-race models from both Forza and GT7, Forza's in-game model is rendering more details on the visor and the lights are better rounded, they look more jagged on GT7.
Left forza - Right GT7
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
Yeah but only the internals are downgraded when in third view camera, i think it's not a big deal since when you are racing your eyes are concentrated on looking track not the internalsSome shots are harder to see into than others due to reflections (which look lovely btw)
But this one shows the super low LOD in car pretty well, the hexagonal steering wheel and super low res dash and seats
That being said, I've been playing a lot of Forza Motorsport lately and the car models and shading are just so much better in GT7, it's no even close tbh. Shame about the interior LOD in during gameplay though, I'm sure they could make it higher for the player car at least?
Senua
Gold Member
Yea neither do I, but the poster I replied to thinks they don't have lower LODs which is just silly. GT7 looks better overall, but there's no need to pretend it's flaws don't exist
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