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[GHG]

Nothing was debunked by you, that's a fact, but carry on with your high opinion of yourself

I don't need to debunk anything, the little marketing video adamsapple himself put together debunks the following statement:

features and the most advanced physics simulation on console

 

[roxya]

Speaking of sky. This link is a good read on how PD developed their own real time sky simulation in GT7. The most impressive part is they've been able to achieved this on the damn decade old Jaguar CPU. They really went full autistic on this one. https://ubm-twvideo01.s3.amazonaws....ides/RealisticReal-TimeSky_Suzuki_Kentaro.pdf

That was a really interesting read. I feel dumb now. Crazy how smart the people working on games are and the kind of things they pull off.

 

[Negotiator101]

I don't need to debunk anything, the little marketing video adamsapple himself put together debunks the following statement:

Well first of all that's an opinion of one poster, your opinion is different. One hasn't been proven over the other. So how you think you've debunked anything is hilarious. You can't debunk an opinion you ignoramus.

 

[GHG]

Well first of all that's an opinion of one poster, your opinion is different. One hasn't been proven over the other. So how you think you've debunked anything is hilarious. You can't debunk an opinion you ignoramus.

The more you talk the more you eat yourself.

I never stated that I have debunked anything, I've been forthright in providing third party statements from independent individuals/outlets that are well trusted sources in this space.

And if you are now going to state that the statement in question was nothing more than an "opinion", then at least we can all agree that it is only based around that individual's personal whim rather than being grounded in fact.

 

[Negotiator101]

The more you talk the more you eat yourself.

I never stated that I have debunked anything, I've been forthright in providing third party statements from independent individuals/outlets that are well trusted sources in this space.

And if you are now going to state that the statement in question was nothing more than an "opinion", then at least we can all agree that it is only based around that individual's personal whim rather than being grounded in fact.

"Nothing said in your little marketing clip there backs up the statements that were previously touted and subsequently disputed/debunked"

That's your comment right? take a look at the last word you wrote Mate there are no facts in this discussion it's all opinions as I have stated many times to you. You really need to read the posts more carefully before going on long rants. Riky has his opinion you questioned it as you are entitled but you have presented nothing factual.

I'm done with this back and forth as I only ever said it felt the best to me, I never said it has the best physics and that my friend is a fact.

 

[GHG]

"Nothing said in your little marketing clip there backs up the statements that were previously touted and subsequently disputed/debunked"

That's your comment right? take a look at the last word you wrote

Still not seeing where it says I have debunked anything. A range of sources have been provided (including the video that adamsapple himself provided, which that post was a direct response to), a number of other people in this thread have also chimed in on this.

Mate there are no facts in this discussion it's all opinions as I have stated many times to you. You really need to read the posts more carefully before going on long rants. Riky has his opinion you questioned it as you are entitled but you have presented nothing factual.

I'm none with this back and forth as I only ever said it felt the best to me, I never said it has the best physics and that my friend is a fact.

Well this is good to know, in that case everyone can safely disregard the comments from both you and Riky on this subject (as was already the case anyway).

 

[ShakenG]

Alright, back to cloud comparisons please

 

[nosoynadie22]

Obviously GT doesn't have RT during the game but the SSR implementation in Forza is bad

 

[nosoynadie22]

 

[nosoynadie22]

 

[nosoynadie22]

 

[nosoynadie22]

XD

 

[Elysium44]

I just checked on PC and it's the same for me. I then checked on Forza Horizon 5 and it's rendered correctly in that game.

 

[adamsapple]

Obviously GT doesn't have RT during the game but the SSR implementation in Forza is bad

XD

Emula / Gignen, that you ?

 

[nosoynadie22]

Emula / Gignen, ¿eres tú?

No

 

[sendit]

WTF...Look, I'm all for optimization. But when a player/user zooms in, the engine has to be smart enough to increase the LOD.....

This game is a god damn joke.

 

[Elysium44]

PC version, car model quality set to ultra.

FH5:

 

[sinnergy]

WTF...Look, I'm all for optimization. But when a player/user zooms in, the engine has to be smart enough to increase the LOD.....

This game is a god damn joke.

I care about driving ! So no. I rather they put resources at 60 frames elsewhere.

Maybe they should make a separate game for you guys ! A car photography game a bit like Pokémon snap, gotta collect them all.

 

[BigLee74]

I care about driving ! So no. I rather they put resources at 60 frames elsewhere.

Maybe they should make a separate game for you guys ! A car photography game a bit like Pokémon snap, gotta collect them all.

It’s a fair point. You notice absolutely none of this when playing the game (100% of the time for 99% of the players).

Alas, if you provide a photomode to showcase your game, you have to ramp up the details or face the might of NeoGAF posting photos of 10-sided circles.

 

[Skifi28]

PC version, car model quality set to ultra.

FH5:

They weren't kidding when they said "built from the ground up". They threw away perfectly fine car models are rebuilt them, just worse.

 

[Calverz]

I see the usual try hards in here. GT7 has been out for like what? Two years? Forza motorsport hasn’t been out for two months lol

 

[bender]

PC version, car model quality set to ultra.

FH5:

Set your quality to Craig instead of Ultra.

 

[sendit]

I care about driving ! So no. I rather they put resources at 60 frames elsewhere.

Maybe they should make a separate game for you guys ! A car photography game a bit like Pokémon snap, gotta collect them all.

They didn't put the resources at 60 FPS, that's why their is an optional 30 FPS mode and horrible use of ray tracing.

Also, another question for those who own the console version of Forza Motorsport. Is Quality Mode (30 FPS) locked out of multiplayer? If not, it brings up another issue of T10 locking the PC version to 60 FPS in multiplayer.

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

PC version, car model quality set to ultra.

FH5:

That's why in Forza there are less differences between ingmae/photomode/forzavista compared to the same modes on GT, Polyphony simply it has much more detailed car model so they can adjust the lod how they want for the different occasions.
I mean they car models are crazy detailed

 

[Three]

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I care about driving ! So no. I rather they put resources at 60 frames elsewhere.

Maybe they should make a separate game for you guys ! A car photography game a bit like Pokémon snap, gotta collect them all.

You say that like they can't do both. Other games do both and the car models at 60fps don't look this bad. Some of it is plain wtf territory like the Ford ST logo on the OZ wheel.

 

[GHG]

I care about driving ! So no. I rather they put resources at 60 frames elsewhere.

Maybe they should make a separate game for you guys ! A car photography game a bit like Pokémon snap, gotta collect them all.

You get 60fps + all the details on FH5 on PC.

There's no excuse, especially considering those screenshots are from the respective PC versions.

 

[Elysium44]

Here is the Subaru in GT7 on my PS4. First in scapes, then in replay photo mode.

 

[sendit]

Here is the Subaru in GT7 on my PS4. First in scapes, then in replay photo mode.

Got a gameplay shot? Both scapes and photo mode increase the LoD (like it should).

 

[adamsapple]

Also get the camera all the way behind the logo

 

[GHG]

Also get the camera all the way behind the logo

The emblem in the Forza shots is casting a shadow and you're suggesting it's due to camera manipulation?

 

[adamsapple]

The emblem in the Forza shots is casting a shadow and you're suggesting it's due to camera manipulation?

No, you're imagining things. I'm saying get the camera all the way back there so we can see if there is a gap like in Forza.

 

[GHG]

No, you're imagining things. I'm saying get the camera all the way back there so we can see if there is a gap like in Forza.

That, sir, is a shadow:

If the emblem was flat to the front fascia (as it should be) then such a large shadow would be impossible to create.

This isn't a problem with camera angles, it's with the model.

 

[adamsapple]

That, sir, is a shadow:



If the emblem was flat to the front fascia (as it should be) then such a large shadow would be impossible to create.

Right, in the video the guy gets the camera all the way up the grill's ass and you can see the logo is hovering a few inches ahead of the car's body itself.

But, again, that's something no one would ever notice unless you get the camera right up all the way in it.

 

[GHG]

Right, in the video the guy gets the camera all the way up the grill's ass and you can see the logo is hovering a few inches ahead of the car's body itself.

But, again, that's something no one would ever notice unless you get the camera right up all the way in it.

So what, people are comparing the details of the models.

I never saw you complaining about anyone doing close-up shots until now, so what's changed?

 

[adamsapple]

So what, people are comparing the details of the models.

I never saw you complaining about anyone doing close-up shots until now, so what's changed?

What is with the needless snark G, lol.

I do that now and then, just did that yesterday as well.

Anyway, that wasn't the point at all, I was saying if someone can also get the camera up in there in the GT model to see if it is physically attached to the car or if it also has some kind of odd behavior like FM's.

Go to sleep, it's like 3AM where you are

 

[Elysium44]

Got a gameplay shot? Both scapes and photo mode increase the LoD (like it should).

Here you go. You can't zoom in further than this in game as you know but it still renders more detail than Forza's in-game model does at ultra. I've also cropped and enlarged the 2nd PS4 screenshot.

 

[GHG]

What is with the needless snark G, lol.

I do that now and then, just did that yesterday as well.

Anyway, that wasn't the point at all, I was saying if someone can also get the camera up in there in the GT model to see if it is physically attached to the car or if it also has some kind of odd behavior like FM's.

Go to sleep, it's like 3AM where you are

The camera being up in the grill will not yield the result you desire for obvious reasons, but have at it.

And what can I say, I like cooking apples on occasion at 3 in the morning.

Spoiler

I'm actually waiting on some overdue work from a freelancer for a project that's due tomorrow if you can believe it.

I too, build my software "from the ground up" but fail to mention that pretty much all of it is outsourced

 

[Elysium44]

Comparing Watkins Glen on FM6 to FM 2023. The old game looks much better imo.

 

[BigLee74]

Comparing Watkins Glen on FM6 to FM 2023. The old game looks much better imo.

You’re eyes are painted on if you think FM6 looks better in those shots!

 

[sendit]

You’re eyes are painted on if you think FM6 looks better in those shots!

No kidding. FM6 is what a game would like if someone dialed the sharpness up to 100% on their TV.

 

[Three]

You’re eyes are painted on if you think FM6 looks better in those shots!

Na, those FM23 textures look like soup.

 

[Elysium44]

Just to point out in case it makes any difference to people's opinions that the car is stationary in all the shots, there is no motion blur or depth of field. The FM 2023 textures are just completely lacking in detail (this was with track texture quality set to the highest setting).

I've played quite a lot of FM2023 lately, and going to FM6 afterwards it is striking how good that game looks in motion, really impressive what previous Turn 10 devs squeezed out of the old Xbox One. I wonder if those devs still work there, I'm guessing not.

 

[Three]

Just to point out in case it makes any difference to people's opinions that the car is stationary in all the shots, there is no motion blur or depth of field. The FM 2023 textures are just completely lacking in detail (this was with track texture quality set to the highest setting).

I've played quite a lot of FM2023 lately, and going to FM6 afterwards it is striking how good that game looks in motion, really impressive what previous Turn 10 devs squeezed out of the old Xbox One. I wonder if those devs still work there, I'm guessing not.

I thought maybe some were mixing up which is FM6 and which is FM23 because of the order you did them in (FM23 first FM6 second) but then there was a comment about sharpness which made me think twice.

 

[Elysium44]

I thought maybe some were mixing up which is FM6 and which is FM23 because of the order you did them in (FM23 first FM6 second) but then there was a comment about sharpness which made me think twice.

I thought the same, I assumed I probably didn't need to label them as people here ought to be familiar with which is which, but the hostile response made me wonder.

 

[nosoynadie22]

 

[sendit]

In terms of creative director throughout the Forza series.

Dan Greenawalt > Chris Esaki. Chris Esaki seems out of his league here. I can't even say this is a good first attempt. It's pretty bad actually given that Forza is a key pillar in Microsoft's game line up.

 

[Outlier]

This is an absolute travesty. MS is throwing away tons of money for hack developers.

 

[Neo_game]

Forza using same smoke affect from previous game ?

 

[sendit]

Forza using same smoke affect from previous game ?

Lol....no more please! This is massacre at this point.

 

[benzy]

B benzy can you make a more faithful comparison? Like, taking the worst looking track in GT and compare against the best looking track in Forza? j/k

But maybe you can make more of these in another track?

Le Mans