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Foxconn using forced student labor to build Sony's PS4?
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You are talking about my friends, in their language they call me Dances with Gaf.
I believe Apple stated that shifting production to US would only increase the costs by about $50 per unit, hence the splitting the cost $25 from Sony, $25 from me.
There would however be far less units available at launch.
Fake EDIT: someone just posted $65 dollars for the iPhone manufactured in US. I could stretch to $432.50 to split the cost.
Warm Machine
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Yes, lost at the end of the last page but the article is here...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/b...ueezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&hp
Foxconn just has the ability to hire too many people to work in the factory at the drop of a hat. 300,000 to 400,000 people working in the same place is bananas and can't be replicated in the US it seems.
ProfessorMoran
Member
I don't see the problem, Foxconn seems like a great place to work. Their employees look happy.
It's China, they don't know how to spell human rights let alone understand what it means. Cheap shit gets made with Chinese labor, this is one of those goodies that came out of the cultural revolution.
Foxconn has its own network Foxconn TV. Just fucking mind-blowing.
Oh yeah, Fox Searchlight Pictures is currently in the courts over what they had interns doing
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/14/courts-weigh-legality-of-unpaid-internships/
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/14/courts-weigh-legality-of-unpaid-internships/
It's weird...
People are willing to forgo buying an Xbox One because of its "always online" stuff, but the fact that both consoles are built by underpaid, overworked Chinese workers doesn't factor into anyone's decision.
I'm not judging - I fall into the same trap too. I think it's horrible, and something should be done about it - but I'll still probably buy a PS4.
It just goes to show how alienated we are from the work that goes into pretty much every modern appliance we use.
People are willing to forgo buying an Xbox One because of its "always online" stuff, but the fact that both consoles are built by underpaid, overworked Chinese workers doesn't factor into anyone's decision.
I'm not judging - I fall into the same trap too. I think it's horrible, and something should be done about it - but I'll still probably buy a PS4.
It just goes to show how alienated we are from the work that goes into pretty much every modern appliance we use.
News article about slave labour. Person complains that their PS4 might not work properly.
Quindy neogaf.
Which would mean to more people wanting to scalp due to such high demand.
dragonfart28
Banned
No one should be blaming the corps for this.
The blame lies entirely on the Chinese government.
The blame lies entirely on the Chinese government.
Warm Machine
Member
I'm actually surprised no one in the US has thought to construct a super factory that does this sort of work.
johntown
Banned
I did not read all 7 pages of that article. I am on an iPhone. Foxconn workers make roughly $400 a month. How that translates to $65 extra I have no clue. If made in the US or with fair wages etc. the cost would at least double.
Labor is a HUGE part of keeping the price low. Just Google how much these workers make and see.
Not that I care. I support the cheaper the better model.
Edit: if Apple says they can do it then I ok but I would love to see the numbers on that it just doesn't add up.
awesomebro
Member
Um.. I don't see the problem here. It's an unpaid internship. You don't do it, you get no credits. It's not like these IT students are trying to feed their families. When they're done they can put in their resume that they worked on one of the most successful game systems ever made.
TheGreyHulk
Member
2nd world problems FTL
I feel bad for factory workers who make our electronic gadgets. They're treated like dirt and have to work such grueling hours. 12 hour workdays, 6 days a week and then they can't even buy the product they're making with a month's salary. WTF man.
I feel bad for factory workers who make our electronic gadgets. They're treated like dirt and have to work such grueling hours. 12 hour workdays, 6 days a week and then they can't even buy the product they're making with a month's salary. WTF man.
Our hearts belong to companies and gadgets, not humans. Those are disposable.
ProfessorMoran
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If they're not making consoles or iphones, they would probably be fucking toiling fields or working in coal mines making next to nothing.
And $500 from the same plant is better?
Well If 500,000 workers are paid $400 a month and produce 10 million iPhones.
paying them $1500 each would be overall $550 million or $55 per unit.
Hey there strawman, how is life going?
Would you rather they be jobless?
I am just pointing out what he was saying. Human death is tragic, making light of it because a guy said he likes the price is worse than a stawman argument.
Seeing as is appears 90% of Xbox ones are not coming from Foxcon it shouldnt be hard to find one that isn't from there.
ProfessorMoran
Member
If it costs them more to make the units in China, Foxconn would just move the fuck out of China and milk some other poor sap third-world country.
Warm Machine
Member
Yeah and they would probably save a ton of cash on shipping as they wouldn't have to stick them on container ships and float them across the Pacific to get to the US.
The point is, it isn't about the cost, it is about the scale of labour Foxconn can provide.
They can't - that's the whole point. That's why these factories are in other countries.
Sigh.
I must be getting old. I'm feeling less and less bad about abstaining from the new next gen twins, as the days go by. Be it the "always online" fiasco, the "must pay a fee to access multi-player via the ISP that you already pay for" nonsense, "Triple AAA" practically meaning the exact opposite of its original meaning per actual gameplay, or travesties like this, pretty much everything about the next gen has me ho-ing and hum-ing.
Maybe, since Nintendo stopped this horrid practice with their Wii Us, and if they actually gets some games out for it, I'll get one. Because if there is one thing I have learned about this industry over the years, it is that, regardless of anything else (including hardware limitations), Nintendo knows how to make games that have actual, fun, engaging gameplay.
I must be getting old. I'm feeling less and less bad about abstaining from the new next gen twins, as the days go by. Be it the "always online" fiasco, the "must pay a fee to access multi-player via the ISP that you already pay for" nonsense, "Triple AAA" practically meaning the exact opposite of its original meaning per actual gameplay, or travesties like this, pretty much everything about the next gen has me ho-ing and hum-ing.
Maybe, since Nintendo stopped this horrid practice with their Wii Us, and if they actually gets some games out for it, I'll get one. Because if there is one thing I have learned about this industry over the years, it is that, regardless of anything else (including hardware limitations), Nintendo knows how to make games that have actual, fun, engaging gameplay.
Oh, the irony.....
do you have any info on that? genuinely curious.
Yeah just do a google news search on Flextronics and Xbox One. The appear to be a factory out of Singapore.
http://www.wkrb13.com/markets/21434...-by-analysts-at-goldman-sachs-group-inc-flex/
Warm Machine
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They can build the factory and make products that still turn a healthy profit, they just can't staff them. However I would argue that where the work is, people would flock there to get their paycheque. Foxconn is a massive factory and a city simultaneously so it would be an incredible endeavour to pull off. I don't think there is an existing US city that that has the ability to support something like this.
My whole point was that you came up with a defense for a theoretical troll that hadn't happened. I then went on to say that it was crazy behavior. Meh, I still stand by that. I already said I'm conflicted elsewhere in the thread. I'm still a part of the problem but I don't see what fanboy lunacy has to do with the topic.
dreamcastmaster
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Your rational thinking has no place here, even though you're right. I had to do work experience in School, no pay, no choice I didn't even get credits for it.
ChiliManiac
Banned
People realize that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company right???
Ahh Flextronics, likely the chinese factory, same deal really. Thanks for the info.
Operating mainly in China.
Meaning Of Karma
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People with empathy?
ChiliManiac
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True, just wanted to point it out for people. Granted Foxconn is pretty much the equivalent to a 1990's sweatshop I would imagine.
ChiliManiac
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Seriously, if I had to pay 100 dollars or even 150 dollars more for a device that's gona be lasting me 5-7 years then I would gladly pay that price if it meant the workers had better working conditions. Though apparently even 500 dollars is to much for a device that was designed to last 10 years. Huh. The Irony.
All these overseas , multinational, put factories where ever desperate labor is are the same...guess Im numb to it since it seems its not possible to buy electronics not made in places like this.
If you google flextronic working conditions its the same story:
https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...4QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHyfBvjZIFFWM2Iz2PWpX19CjQCYw
theres more.
If you google flextronic working conditions its the same story:
https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...4QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHyfBvjZIFFWM2Iz2PWpX19CjQCYw
theres more.
Night Angel
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But if it's the same, I can't use the XB1's manufacturer as a reason for the higher price tag!
Foxconn is not the only manufacturer that treats its workers like garbage; they're just the most heavily publicized. Everything electronic that we own is made in similar factories. It sucks, but I'm a callous and uncaring individual. I can do nothing to fix the situation that won't hinder my quality of life, so I'll ignore the problem.
At least I'm honest and not trying to fake indignation to use this as ammo in the console warz.
ChiliManiac
Banned
Yup, its a shame what type of society we have become, I think we as gamers could make a huge impact if we refused to buy anything not made under less than ideal conditions. I'd honestly be willing to not go next generation just to make a statement if everybody went with me. I might even refuse to go buy next gen by my self. I'm curious on the manufacturer process of PC parts. If they're machined I would gladly go PC and build my own computer. With the new linux gaming coming out we could teach people how to build their own gaming platforms and avoid giving these companies money. Teaching people alternatives to these malpractices(for lack of better word) would be ideal. NeoGAF has changed the industry before.
Yeah, this would be more like if Chick-fil-A was THE one source of chicken for the whole nation if not world. And likely eggs too with a hand in produce, so you couldn't avoid them very easily at all.
Something like Digital River is a better target for a Chick-fil-A analogy, though given that the problem is that they sometimes don't even service you that might not really work out.
Do you work there?
Meh, it's part of the fun. But get on with the high horse if you want. Just don't let us catch you red-handed doing the same thing you accuse others are doing now in the future.