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FutureMark: Benchmarks show Apple doesn't deliberately slows down older iPhones
- Thread starter wachie
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Synthetic benchmarks are meaningless if the user experience is worse.
Ios11 has been okay-ish on my iPhone 6. It does get hitchy now and then and there are very noticeable bugs but for me the large decrease in battery life is the biggest issue. The last version of iOS10 was fairly solid so moving to 11 feels like a alpha build.
Ios11 has been okay-ish on my iPhone 6. It does get hitchy now and then and there are very noticeable bugs but for me the large decrease in battery life is the biggest issue. The last version of iOS10 was fairly solid so moving to 11 feels like a alpha build.
User experience isn't what they were intending to measure here. It was just to address the conspiracy theory that code is manipulated to artificially slow down hardware.
I know just saying its the poor user experience that leads people into believing Apple is slowing down their phones and iOS 11 is by far the sloppiest release Apple has put out.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
AFAIK, the issue isn't so much that Apple slows down the hardware, but that they don't use it as efficiently, requiring more and more power to maintain smooth performance as updates roll out. Kind of like the old adage "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away," which was a reference to Windows becoming more and more of a resource hog as Intel's processors got faster.
I don't know if I'd say it's flat-out intentional, but I doubt Apple really goes out of their way to make sure 3-year-old phones run as smoothly as their current line. At the same time as well, there's probably a bit of rose-tinted glasses going on re: how people remember their older devices performing. So I'm kind in the middle on the issue of forced obsolescence.
I don't know if I'd say it's flat-out intentional, but I doubt Apple really goes out of their way to make sure 3-year-old phones run as smoothly as their current line. At the same time as well, there's probably a bit of rose-tinted glasses going on re: how people remember their older devices performing. So I'm kind in the middle on the issue of forced obsolescence.
phatmike128
Member
For a website that develops benchmarks, they sure suck at making informative graphs.
Giolon
Member
Idk. People have short memories. iOS 8 bricked people's phones at launch if you upgraded over the air (one of the earlier times this was an option). iOS 4 was so bad on the iPhone 3G Apple had to practically apologize and release major performance patches for it, and that's even after stripping basic new functionality like wallpapers.
iOS 11 seems worse than the last few releases in terms of stability and polish, but it's far from the worst.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I was thinking the same.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Phone batteries get worse over time and a software update gives people a specific reason they can point to. In my experience no update has ever been especially worse than the previous version. Batteries just gradually begin to suck and you usually do a major update 9-12 months after you bought the phone in the first place.
Performance *does* degrade with updates. This just proves synthetic benches are meaningless. My iPad 3 doesn't run the same with its latest update than it did out of the box. My iPad Pro is still good though but a few more releases and I'm sure it won't perform as well as it does today.
Nvidia doesnt slow down their old products either.
Karsticles
Member
Why are you being so belligerent? No one will take you seriously if you talk like that, or if you think Bloodborne is a bad game.
ow the edge
Honestly, this should of been obvious. No company really has the time to figure out, how to make their products worse, furthermore there really isn't that big of an incentive to, over simply making the next experience better. if a company did engage in such behavior there would be quite a big change of a lawsuit, which most companies would also find unacceptable.The whole conspiracy really doesn't make sense, if you think about it for more than a second.
GregLombardi
Member
And yet somehow, my Iphone 6 battery has miraculously recovered under IOS 11 after it would jump around all over the place before.
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Because conspiracy theorists on why their iphone 5 isnt what it used to be shouldnt be coddled. Batteries are shit and advancements in software necessiate better hardware. There isnt a plot to get you to unnecessarily spend money, you just dont understand the pace at which tech is moving or how anything functions.
Bloodborne is amazing.
Eat shit.
This test is specifically testing the graphics processor, and yes that doesn't magically change during the phones life and neither does the cpu.
But the daily tasks do slow down when apple is asking the cpu to handle more and more tasks. And as with everyone else, the more complex the system gets the more old hardware will suffer..
I had a iphone4 back from when it released, dont remember if it was IOS 6 or 7. But it basically broke the phone. Sometimes it wouldn't react fast enough for me to actually answer the phone when people called me
But the daily tasks do slow down when apple is asking the cpu to handle more and more tasks. And as with everyone else, the more complex the system gets the more old hardware will suffer..
I had a iphone4 back from when it released, dont remember if it was IOS 6 or 7. But it basically broke the phone. Sometimes it wouldn't react fast enough for me to actually answer the phone when people called me
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Gets it
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Anyone saying the slowdown is a deliberate scheme is a fool.
Anyone pissed that new software features slow down their device incidentally can certainly champion for that to stop, but it will mean that software features will be cleaved off iOS releases for older models and then wed have people bitching that theyre forcing us to buy new phones to enjoy features.
Its a no-win scenario and users are creating it.
Anyone pissed that new software features slow down their device incidentally can certainly champion for that to stop, but it will mean that software features will be cleaved off iOS releases for older models and then wed have people bitching that theyre forcing us to buy new phones to enjoy features.
Its a no-win scenario and users are creating it.
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Its almost as though your phone is three yesrs old and has half the ram as the ipohone 6s, which is two years old.
MastaKilla
Member
IDK man, every time a new one comes out and I update my old one.. a phone that I've never had issues with becomes slow and clunky as fuck. So I haven't updated to IOS 11 and my 7plus is still golden.
AMD just ages better., for obvious reasons.
WordAssassin
Member
Uh I'm currently stuck using my old as shit busted iPhone 5 and its battery still lasts all day.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I charge my SE on the 3rd day, on the average.
D
Deleted member 20920
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Newer versions of OSs uses more resources that older models don't have...It's really simple actually.
I never had an iphone but this is the same on Android phones as well. Once a phone reaches a certain age I stop updates and plan to get a new one.
Whats your point? It worked fine until I upgraded.
WordAssassin
Member
Holy shit really? Damn I feel like I've never had an iPhone that actually lasted much more than a full 24 hours, at least with normal use? Maybe if I turned everything off and made it purely a phone... but congrats! That's awesome. I don't remember even my 6+ having that longevity. It's been such a long time though so maybe I'm just forgetting *glares down at backup iPhone 5*
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
As phone OS's (and apps), just like nearly every piece of sw under the sun, get more are more functionality, we, as users, really need to be able to draw a line somewhere and not upgrade beyond that, as level of performance will eventually render the device unusable.
The problem with that, is that this rule goes against the vendors' interest in customers perpetually upgrading, for whatever reasons (security fixes, new revenue-stream apps, etc). I will salute the first vendor to implement the following policy:
1. Announce going beyond a certain OS version is not advisable for users of product X.
2. Keep providing security patches for lower OS versions several years after that point.
Right now, apple is not really in that category - their OS upgrades are far too aggressive, and the performance impact of their new versions is revealed only post-factum.
Well, I do use it mainly as a phone, with some light app & wi-fi usage. I always have a tablet and a notebook with me for most heavy app purposes. That said, the SE is apparently the second-best battery-life iphone.
What Android phone does your phone feel like?
This was a thing back when the CPU was as underpowered as the iPhone 4 trying to run iOS 6. Not on purpose but the OS was just too ambitious for that device.
The iPhone 5S still runs pretty damn well even on ios11 I dont understand the complaints. Thats the 5th year / 5th major OS revision on that device and its the oldest hardware supported too.
I owned a 3G when ios4 rolled out and made the phone borderline useless. I owned a 4 when ios6 did make the phone useless. Ill call em out when I see it. But lately it hasnt been a thing with Apple.
The iPhone 5S still runs pretty damn well even on ios11 I dont understand the complaints. Thats the 5th year / 5th major OS revision on that device and its the oldest hardware supported too.
I owned a 3G when ios4 rolled out and made the phone borderline useless. I owned a 4 when ios6 did make the phone useless. Ill call em out when I see it. But lately it hasnt been a thing with Apple.
Sure there is a win win scenario, allowing turning off of new features to achieve a speed boost. I don't expect this being something that Apple would adopt though, it's not their MO
The rule seems to be that you should upgrade to one newer iOS version, then stop. If it shipped with 10 on release, upgrade to 11 and stop there, 12 will fuck it up, etc..
My SE is jailbroken and still on 9 and it has been the best. My wife her iPhone 6s was fine on iOS 10 but since the upgrade to 11... issues!
My SE is jailbroken and still on 9 and it has been the best. My wife her iPhone 6s was fine on iOS 10 but since the upgrade to 11... issues!
6S here and upgrade actually fixed performance/freeze issues I had with resource heavy apps like Future Fight. Had to close just about every other app and delete and reinstall the app every week prior to 11. Even a fresh install of 10 hadn't fixed that.
IOs updates murdered iphone4 speed, that's a fact.
My iphone 5S on the other hand has been holding pretty well till now but havent updated to IOs 11, I would say that I'm quite annoyed by some changes made from IOS9 to IOS10 though (not getting to main screen after touch id, not being able to hear videos -only sound- after locking the screen)
My iphone 5S on the other hand has been holding pretty well till now but havent updated to IOs 11, I would say that I'm quite annoyed by some changes made from IOS9 to IOS10 though (not getting to main screen after touch id, not being able to hear videos -only sound- after locking the screen)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Why shouldn't it? Screw Microsoft.
TheContact
Member
They dont get slower, but the OS becomes more needy. Its like if you have an old phone and you update to latest OS, compare that to having a windows xps Computer hardware upgrading to Windows 10. Yes youre going to see a performance hit
TheContact
Member
Your moto G needs 4gb of ram because its poorly optimized. The thing about Apple is everything is proprietary to the hardware and the software is designed around this proprietary hardware, unlike android phones which use a myriad of components based off of different manufacturers. This is why even the people who are against Apple still concede that its a reliable piece of hardware. Also not all RAM is equal
They have a more efficient OS so they dont need as much RAM.
they have 3GB of ram and are so well optimized it doesn't need the ridiculous amount that android needs. My 6S plus which has 2GB still runs amazingly well.
Of course they aren't actually restricting older models from running their chips at the standard clock speeds, who in their right mind thought they'd be doing that?
But as someone who upgraded from an iphone 4S recently I can tell you they are building an ecosystem that often requires OS upgrades to run crucial apps and their OS designs don't seem to give a fuck about their old hardware at all, my 4S was practically unusable for the last few years.
iphone 7 now and loving life, probably for another year and a half....
But as someone who upgraded from an iphone 4S recently I can tell you they are building an ecosystem that often requires OS upgrades to run crucial apps and their OS designs don't seem to give a fuck about their old hardware at all, my 4S was practically unusable for the last few years.
iphone 7 now and loving life, probably for another year and a half....