I don't think so, Vanillaware games (Odin Sphere, Muramasa: The Demon Blade) have always gotten a lot of hype and appreciation on GAF both before and after release.
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G. Kamitani replies to J. Schreier's Kotaku article on Dragon's Crown (slightly NSFW)
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I don't think so, Vanillaware games (Odin Sphere, Muramasa: The Demon Blade) have always gotten a lot of hype and appreciation on GAF both before and after release.
Gokurakumaru
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He's arguing for what he feels is right on our behalf on a subjective matter I don't agree with. You then asked what's wrong with pushing an agenda. Another person responded and you said it's only disingenuous if you present yourself as speaking for others when you are in fact not. Whether he feels it's right or not, whether he's doing it subconsciously or not, this is what he's doing. I called him on it. Don't shoot the messenger.
Again, "fans" is his wording, not mine. Who is to say the most vocal complaints represented all or even a majority of "fans?" If I had contributed to that Kickstarter I would be pissed at this sort of meddling and self-righteous attitude about what's "better."
Ehhhhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhh
Last thing I'll say is he doesn't need to say anything to defend his art. But he should definitely clarify his intent with that comment.
Also, someone should really give game industry people lessons on how to use social media.
I can't
When the insinuation is calling someone a homosexual as an insult, yeah, it's not okay. If you can't see why I don't know what to say.
Well if he didn't say fag it must not be an problem. Without clarification about his intent it is difficult to judge the response, but using a particular word or not is not a great metric.
Pretty sure he is arguing on his behalf of what he thinks society should look like, but okay. And if you had contributed to the kickstarter you would be pissed at people voicing an opinion? Damn.
How are boobs so large that they would make walking extremely painful/rip chest skin down to her fucking knees after a few years end up as attractive/sexy? Poor sorceress is going to need a back brace and skin repair of some sort.
Who knows
djplaeskool
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She's a sorceress.
With gravity spells (as shown in her trailer video).
I think she can manage.
This basically. Shits weird yo.
Where are you going with this?
I feel like it's just as much up to personal interpretation as a poor translation and a piece of art.
Even so, (I'm not aware if those are beat-em-ups or not) what has been the main part of this discussion has been about from both sides are the bodies of the female characters that are in the game.
It is obviously not a good response, and he should clarify his intent - yes. But what he said is different from straight up using a slur.
Meccanical
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I like how sexuality is taboo but violence is okay.
Bravo_Jade
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At least he has the sense of humor that you lack.
Ad hominem.
On topic, I'm sure the art direction will dissuade and persuade people with regard to purchasing. I don't think creators should censor their work to appeal to a broader audience. Unfortunately for him, this guy just proved the writer's insinuation rather than refuting it.
nailbombxx
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How is anything Kamitani actually said, OR implied even, more immature than what J. Schreier said?
Getting all riled up over a grown, professional man drawing things that he wants is way more immature than drawing stylized characters ever would be.
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I bring breaking news, there are people IN REAL LIFE with larger boobs than the sorceress. Its a video game. Grow up.
cutmeamango
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Could any of you make an argument on how that piece, void of any context from interpretation (infering intent only gets us so far), is sexualized (or a bigger challenge, homosexualized)? I'd like to know what in its form and composition constructs the language that allows that reading.
Get 'em while they're hot!
Am i the only that thinks this looks worse then the original picture? Haha take away their bodies NOW WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
So if I hide my slurs through "thinly veiled", "ambiguously" worded sentences it's okay? And it's not like his clarification will actually clear anything up. He won't come out and say, "Yeah, Schreier totally wants muscular, oiled dwarfs."
The amount of psychics in this thread is fucking astounding, why arent you all out fighting evil or bankrupting casions instead of reading the mind of japanese game developers?
All we know is that he intended the picture and comment to be a retort to the article, we dont know if it was intended as an insult or a joke. We dont know if he meant to imply Mr Schreier was homosexual or if he was just pointing out that he draws all his characters in a hyper-exaggerated way.
Yeah, not as bad, still not okay. But point taken.
Jawmuncher
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Good times indeed.
That thread derailed so bad because of that.
But I wonder what the Kotaku Writer will say about this "response". (I can't be bothered to type his name)
Meccanical
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Knux-Future
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It is a videogame in which magic exists, you can probably get shanked and hit a ton and other unrealistic stuff...
but we are going to draw a line with insanely huge jugs?
No shit it doesn't make sense.
That's the beauty (your mileage may vary) of it all. It's what makes games awesome...the medium allows for silly shit like this.
and in the end...guys it comes down to taste.
Why should some tastes be neutered for the sake of your feelings or own personal tastes?
Flasgship PS4 title? You high? Though kudos on the irony of dragging some console war bullshit into a post complaining about "partisan bullshit"
What the fuck? You are the one that raised the idea of insinuation of homosexuality not being an insult.
I replied that it could be very insulting depending on context. All I did was reply to the topic that you raised, mate.
Says the guy who is clearly angry that someone thinks your fap material is disgusting?
Chill
cutmeamango
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Because this is power fantasy.
Add oil quality speculars (and softer texturing), and it becomes sexualization.
OverBlood 3
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GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
nailbombxx
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As If I was still young enough to fap to big boobs.
Hey, Uthred, your bus is here.
By your reasoning you don't have the right to read anything into what I posted. Do you? I just want you to leave this thread and I'm showing you a vehicle to do it with.
That... still doesn't explain why he couldn't have just drawn those characters, ones that are actually in the game to show his point, rather than drawing not one, not two, but three naked dwarves.
CrazyArcadia
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offtopic : I am still kind of shock from a female friend of mine liking the queens blade and witch blade anime
Heh, I made similiar observations amongst my female peers when it comes to sexual contents in games and comics. My female flatmate finds humour in Dead or Alive, not offense - to the point that every so often when we have company, she asks me to show them the intro of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Another female friend of mine watched Zombie Ass - Toilet of the Dead (google it if you dare... Japanese B-movie from Noboru Iguchi who also did Robo Geisha and The Machine Girl) with me and we laughed all the way through that strange movie^^Maybe, shockingly, some things really shouldn't be offensive but only a matter of taste instead.. and as I wrote in my first post, there are gender issues in the gaming world, but this total concentration on character designs (while most of the time completely ignoring the role of the character) in fantasy/scifi/superhero/b-movie style games is beginning to get on my nerves (I'd get the point if a character in, say, a more realistic game such as Heavy Rain would have a completely sexualized design not at all fitting their role). Woha, am I... offended?
Seriously, where are you going with this? I feel like you might be dancing around a point but I can't tell what it is. And luckily, I'm not planning on putting words in your mouth.
For sure, it puts the emphasis on facial expressions and leaves the rest up to the imagination. They're not bad avatars, really, good facial expressions and all.
I was pointing out that saying someone is gay isnt actually an insult (though it can of course be intended as an insult) and treating it as such is wrong. Your response to that implied that Mr Kamitani intended to insult Mr Schreier by calling him a homosexual. In turn I pointed out that you dont know what Mr Kamitani intended and were putting forward your interpretation of his intent as fact.
No. All I said was that WHEN it is directed as an insult it is pretty offensive. Go read my post again.
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