It doesn't, it's just the highest refresh rate and is being forced by that Global driver change.
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G-Sync is the god-level gaming upgrade.
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It doesn't, it's just the highest refresh rate and is being forced by that Global driver change.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
I can kinda see why PC, or rather 'monitor' gamers opt for variable sync over strobing now. If you're close to the screen, you're going to need not only a higher resolution (say 1440p) but a higher refresh (80Hz+) to account for the lower flicker threshold. A locked 1440p80 isn't going to be cheap. I think strobing monitors actually start at 100Hz.
TV gamers conversely would gain hugely from a locked 1080p60 strobed (assuming they're ok with plasma-esque 60Hz flicker). All the eye candy and less motionblur than 144Hz.
TV gamers conversely would gain hugely from a locked 1080p60 strobed (assuming they're ok with plasma-esque 60Hz flicker). All the eye candy and less motionblur than 144Hz.
SliChillax
Member
Can anyone help me out here, I have an Rog Swift and I tried ULMB many times but cannot tell the difference. Turned Gsync off, ULMB on, tried playing with the pulse width at 120hz and I couldn't tell the difference at all besides the lower brightness which is a deal breaker for me.
Fredrik
Member
I went from being a console-only gamer for 20 years to buying a proper gaming PC and Asus G-Sync monitor last summer. The transition has been like doing a double generational leap. Still haven't recovered from it. Simply can't buy anything other than console-exclusives on console anymore.
Soodanim
Gold Member
Load up an FPS and strafe left and right with an object in front of you, watching the edges of it. That's what I did to test it on mine, and I noticed the difference in a matter of seconds.
iceatcs
Junior Member
True that, which mean you can have both. But I still think SSD is most important upgrade because more noticeable feeling the change.
Prophet Steve
Member
For gaming? Meh. I can barely tell whether I have a game on my SSD or not with most games. Although there are probably other upgrades that makes a huge difference with gaming...
SSD is the biggest PC upgrade you can do but doesn't effect gaming all that much! Just makes the experience far nicer of running the OS, download and installation of games plus the bonus load times which usually aren't too bad on PC anyways.
I would advice everyone to get and SSD over a g-sync monitor due to the price
Adaptive sync seem super fancy and I can't wait for it to be affordable for myself in the coming years
I would advice everyone to get and SSD over a g-sync monitor due to the price
Adaptive sync seem super fancy and I can't wait for it to be affordable for myself in the coming years
Go here with Chrome. If you've set things up correctly, you should be able to read all the text on this scrolling image as it passes. With ULMB off, the text is illegible due to motion blur.
In games, this translates to total clarity of objects during motion.
Prophet Steve
Member
Well, GTX 970 is pretty high end, but yes you'll notice a difference when you play any game above 30 FPS.
A 970 would work well with it, it is what I have. Playing AC Unity with Gsync was like a night and day transformation. Perfect game to demo why it's a cool tech given that game struggles with nearly every setup.
Most Gsync monitors are 1440p, and a 970 won't be running a lot of brand new stuff at good FPS at that res, so it'll struggle a bit in that regard. But as long as it doesn't drop below 45ish FPS it's still a great experience. Once it hits around 40 FPS I've found Gsync doesn't really benefit as much, in which case I will run the game at a lower resolution.
Only 2 are 1440p, the ROG and the Predator. The rest are 1080p like the asus, AOC, and benq
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Strafe left and right while looking at a detailed texture, try to read the writing. Most noticeable in something like Rayman with bright colours.
Soodanim
Gold Member
The 970 is a high end GPU.
I have a 970 too, and I just bought a AOC G2460PG. 144hz G-Sync. It's fantastic for older games, because I can max out settings and play them at 120 or 144fps. Even a lot of newer games. I played a bit of Sleeping Dogs at 144fps (no downsampling, stock speeds). It makes driving quickly so smooth.
Newer games that you can't max out and keep at a certain framerate are where G-Sync comes into play. Because there won't ever be tearing or stuttering, you can play at whatever rate you like. If you can get 45 fps, then it'll run at that with no problems. If you can get 82fps, it'll run at that. You're no longer limited to 30 or 60fps. So in a sense, any machine that can run a game over 40fps can take advantage of G-Sync (under around 40fps is where G-Sync reportedly stops making games look smoother, because there's only so much you can do with less frames).
That's why G-Sync is in some 4K monitors. They might not be able to play at a locked 60fps, but it doesn't matter with G-Sync. They can play at any rate they can achieve.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Yeah, AFAIK SSDs only really gave a noticeable effect for big MMOs in terms of gaming performance.
SliChillax
Member
Massive difference but still for me at least it's not worth the lowered brightness and lack of Gsync.
Gillian Seed
Banned
I don't think it's garbage at all. I love console gaming on my Panny Plasma from my comfy couch!
The only model to buy right now is the Acer XB270HU.
1440p, IPS, 144Hz, very small lag. It's the best on the market by virtue of being the newest.
By the time you are looking to buy one the market will have likely shifted dramatically. Monitors have been moving very quickly the last couple years after being anemic for the last decade.
You know you can adjust the brightness, right? Change the pulse width.
Eh, I really disagree in regards to gaming. SSDs can provide a nice little boost to some games, but frankly not many games are that I/O intensive - it's why only in particular circumstances would I put a game on my SSD.
For me, G-Sync is a massively greater upgrade for gaming than an SSD. It fixes a fundamental problem with video game graphics that we've had to live with for a very, very long time.
For general computer usage, you're right, an SSD is one of, if not the best upgrade you can make to an otherwise good system in regards to the noticeable impact on performance, whereas G-Sync's advantages aren't /that/ applicable outside of gaming other than the potential for reduced power usage.
I want this so much
SliChillax
Member
I keep my brigthness at 100 all the time, ULMB cannot achieve that.
Holy crap that's terrifying. Are you playing in direct sunlight? You should know that the suggested calibrated brightness level for a screen is 120 cd/m².
All that said, I'm personally also not all that much into strobing. For most of the genres I play I'd rather have Gsync.
SliChillax
Member
I never play in the dark, my room is always well lit so it doesn't look too bright.
Edit:
You serious? That sounds horrifying to me lol. If I lower the brightness everything looks washed out.
JoeyJungle
Banned
Hey so PCper covered this exact issue a week or so ago.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Dissecting-G-Sync-and-FreeSync-How-Technologies-Differ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkrJU5d2RfA if you don't want to read the article.
Basically, the Freesync spec doesn't technically have a hard 30hz limit, but almost all Freesync monitors have a limit of around 30hz plus or minus. Below that amount, you're relying on vsync or no sync.
They found out that Gsync does exactly that. When framerates dip below 30, the monitor's refresh rate gets doubled and frames get repeated, so Gsync continues to work even at low framerates.
They also covered the flickering problem Gsync has:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Look-Reported-G-Sync-Display-Flickering
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujgRjsmwtgY
Basically, flickering only occurs when the game stops sending out new frames. It almost only happens in loading screens, and mostly for MMOs.
Dries
Member
How's the difference beween a 22 inch 1080p screen and a 27 inch 1440p screen? Will the increase in actual screen size potentially increase more jaggies? I don't really see how this works yet. I can assume 1440p would look better, but I could also see a smaller screen to be more compressed which would then lead to less jaggies. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am lol).
Couple of new questions btw:
Are there also 60Hz G-sync screens? I will never aim for framerates higher than 60, because I don't like the feel of 60 fps (too gamey) and because I'd rather use my GPU (GTX 980) usage for downsampling. 144hz is complete overkill in that regard. My aim is 45 fps. Nothing higher than that. So my question is: how is G-sync for 45 fps?
The screen I'm currently looking into is the ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q. It doesn't have IPS though. Is that terrible? And what else about this screen? Is it any good?
Mineshaft_Gap
4077th
What's the story with this guy?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NUCRBCU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'm thinking about buying it...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NUCRBCU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'm thinking about buying it...
It think the only 60Hz G-Sync monitor is the Acer XB280HK. But it's a 4k monitor, so I'm not sure a single GTX 980 would be enough. Games drop sometimes to 45 fps and it still feels smooth on my Asus Swift. You could also buy a 144Hz monitor and run it with 60Hz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9658&cm_re=acer_g-sync-_-24-009-658-_-Product
Dries
Member
Hey, that's a good one, I never thought of that. But how would that make a difference? Isn't 45 fps the same either if it's 60Hz or 144Hz?
SliChillax
Member
Gsync is great for any resolution. I locked NFS Rivals at 45fps downsampling from 4K and it felt like 60. I've had times where I used fraps to see what the framerate was because everything felt so smooth, anything above 30 is great.
Edit: I made this thread a while ago and people explained how Gsync is so important. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1016365&highlight=
JoeyJungle
Banned
With Gsync it would be refreshing at 45hz whether the monitor has a max of 60hz or 144hz.
With G-Sync it is. But you said you don't want to run games higher than 60 fps? So you either set the monitor to 60Hz where you don't have to worry that it goes above 60 fps or you use the Nvidia Inspector and set the "Frame Rate Limiter" to 60 fps.
Dries
Member
I hear you, but I don't want 60 fps either
I don't like the look and feel of 60 fps (I know, I'm in the minority and everybody thinks I'm strange). What I'm aiming for is a locked 45 fps.I hear you, but I don't want 60 fps either
You can also set the "Frame Rate Limiter" to 45 fps.
SliChillax
Member
I hear you, but I don't want 60 fps either
Why not get one of those 30hz 4K monitors that came out 1 or 2 years ago? They should be cheap by now.
Edit: My best friend has the same "problem"
he hates anything above 30fps/hz. Weird if you ask me...
Dries
Member
You can also set the "Frame Rate Limiter" to 45 fps.
That's exactly what I'm gonna do hehe. Long live MSI afterburner. I was just looking for reassurance that G-sync was not exclusively "effective" for higher-than-60 framerates. But as pointed out, it seems it works fine with 45 fps too
Why not get one of those 30hz 4K monitors that came out 1 or 2 years ago? They should be cheap by now.
Edit: My best friend has the same "problem"
4K sure is tempting, but my single 980 wouldn't be enough for some games I think... I can't see myself playing The Witcher 3 at 4K and getting a average of 30 fps...
I can read the text in the nvidia video somewhat fine but this site is just a giant blur, what do I do to fix it?
What nvidia video? The blurbusters tests are intended to expose the benefits of a strobing backlight.
I was using the full benefits of Gsync tonight.
Playing Reign if Kings, a super unoptimized Early Access game with frame rates that would dip into the twenties. Should have felt like I was playing a console title, but the game still felt smooth due to Gsync keeping my Hz in time with the low frame rate.
You could tell the game was still rendering less frames, but no studder at all. Completely smooth.
Had a blast with the gameplay, rather than being removed from the experience whenever a screen would tear.
Playing Reign if Kings, a super unoptimized Early Access game with frame rates that would dip into the twenties. Should have felt like I was playing a console title, but the game still felt smooth due to Gsync keeping my Hz in time with the low frame rate.
You could tell the game was still rendering less frames, but no studder at all. Completely smooth.
Had a blast with the gameplay, rather than being removed from the experience whenever a screen would tear.
I recently played Star Citizen Arena Commander on the ROG Swift at 60+FPS/G-Sync and it almost felt like VR. Towards the later rounds my stomach felt like it was turning in some of the more intense dogfights.
Dark Souls2: SOTFS still tears like crazy for some reason even with G-Sync on. >:-O
Dark Souls2: SOTFS still tears like crazy for some reason even with G-Sync on. >:-O
Hate to be the one to break it to you but ULMB/lightboost doesn't make a practical difference in the vast majority of games. There is no doubt that ULMB does reduce motion blur and decrease persistence, but relative to a "normal" sample-and-hold at 144hz there's barely a noticeable difference in motion clarity in most games. If you want to see a clear cut demonstration of ULMB in action do the blur busters test with the moving google map and try to read the text with and without ULMB, the difference will be night and day.
Soodanim
Gold Member
Great, that's something to look forward to when my copy gets here! I assume you've double checked all of your settings, so I wonder what is causing it.
I hear you, but I don't want 60 fps either
You can create a custom refresh rate for your normal display.
I'm missing something here, why not just cut some settings and lock 60fps? If developers implemented vsync correctly, the input lag may be minimal.
I thought this is mostly useful for enthusiasts who want really high settings at 1440p but can't consistently hit 60 on those.