Windom Earle
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To give an example, you could run the BF4 beta without any stuttering or tearing below 60fps.
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G-SYNC - New nVidia monitor tech (continuously variable refresh; no tearing/stutter)
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To give an example, you could run the BF4 beta without any stuttering or tearing below 60fps.
What I meant (and no disrespect to the harrdcore) is how much does it matter to those that don't freak out when they cant run a game at 30/60 or declare games unplayable over the most minor of things.
Eliminating something as minor as screen tearing (something I very rarely even see) doesn't seem to be a big enough deal to warrant some of the reactions on page 1.
I still don't understand what it would mean for my upper mid range PC when the things it's meant to eliminate have never been that much of an issue.
Input lag etc is already pretty minimal on a PC is it not ?
What stuttering and tearing *confused*
plagiarize
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I hadn't even thought about that. This actually makes PC gaming even more desirable, because yeah, previously I'd never have taken a racing game running at 40 fps over a locked 30. so I'd have throttled it to 30 and not been getting the full value out of my hardware.
now, there's no reason to lock to 30, ever. it'll be smooth at any framerate. so you'll always enjoy the full power of your system, and being sub 60 is going to be much more tolerable, so you'll get a longer lifetime out of your hardware too.
hype hype hype.
It's the anti-vsync; in vsync the game had to do the hard work of synching to the monitor but with this the monitor does the hard work of synching to the game using extra logic on its controller board.
If the Nvidia solution sales good, I'm pretty sure that every TV and monitor brand will eventually develop own solution.
I can't decide if this is amazing timing, or incredibly shitty timing.
I literally had a new monitor in the process of checkout before this broke at Newegg (VG278HE), but decided to wait til I found all the stuff I had a bit ago for 3d vision still around, and now I have a dilemma.
Do I pull the trigger on this for the bigger screen, or for the cheaper monitor talked about here for this new tech? GAH. Need to know how easy this would be to mod yourself, going to guess not very. :\
Maybe I'm better buying the monitor I was now, and just waiting for the G-sync monitors next year instead.
I literally had a new monitor in the process of checkout before this broke at Newegg (VG278HE), but decided to wait til I found all the stuff I had a bit ago for 3d vision still around, and now I have a dilemma.
Do I pull the trigger on this for the bigger screen, or for the cheaper monitor talked about here for this new tech? GAH. Need to know how easy this would be to mod yourself, going to guess not very. :\
Maybe I'm better buying the monitor I was now, and just waiting for the G-sync monitors next year instead.
Windom Earle
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If you run BF4 with V-Sync on I would say there is a great chance you experienced some stuttering, even with a great rig.
Without V-Sync you will get tearing.
This new tech eliminates these problems.
plagiarize
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whether you freak out about it or not this ensures that your hardware is being used to it's full potential. this makes every framerate feel as stutter free as 30 or 60, even if you could tolerate it before.
you very rarely see frame tearing... but wouldn't you rather it wasn't ever a thing? it's an ugly visual defect where the only solution to it was creating other defects. until now.
Me too, I've been really close to buying one of the asus light boost monitors for quite a while, but the same ones have been on the market for so long.
Karak
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Honestly this was the first thing and the main thing that came up when I watched the presentation. But just in regards to the fact that many PC gamers in that mid stream section lower everything to get to 60 while that may still be somewhat the case, I think a VAST majority will basically be getting a boost suddenly when installing this.
It is great. Synching like this is going to impact pretty much every level of gamer on Nvidia systems(with those cards and above of course)
Future PhaZe
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The timing can't be more worse after I bought the 280x
AMD will likely come out with their own version of this soon but...
yea, even if Mantle gives you a 20% performance increase it won't impact gaming as much as G-SYNC
LabouredSubterfuge
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Holy.
Fucking.
Shit.
Someone hold me.
Fucking.
Shit.
Someone hold me.
plagiarize
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*holds you and starts softly singing*
And I'll see you...
and you'll see me...
under the branches that blow...
smoothly at any framerate.
Geforce.
Again, do we have ANY idea if anything like this could be applied to TVs and non-LCD displays? That's the key here.
I love the idea but it just doesn't mean anything to mean in PC monitor form. :\ I'm glad someone is doing something about this, though, but I'm disappointed that it seems to be aimed at PC gaming on an LCD.
I'm simply afraid that it won't be applied to TVs.
I love the idea but it just doesn't mean anything to mean in PC monitor form. :\ I'm glad someone is doing something about this, though, but I'm disappointed that it seems to be aimed at PC gaming on an LCD.
Oh, it's brilliant and exactly what I'm looking for...but not in an LCD monitor. It's being pioneered in a type of display that I don't play games on, basically.
I'm simply afraid that it won't be applied to TVs.
Lostconfused
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Guess I'll be stuck with the crappy VG248QE until Benq announces its model.
CosmicGroinPull
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Thanks for the very easy to understand explanation in the OP.
Sounds like a useful thing to have; I always sacrifice v-sync for a higher framerate.
Sounds like a useful thing to have; I always sacrifice v-sync for a higher framerate.
fuck ... want
but also want mantle
AMD needs this. Fuck nVidia for making it proprietary.
I'll be somewhat pissed if this was a software solution being propietary, but is hardware.
I think that AMD was caught with the pants down on this, I don't expect they come with something similar in a very very long time.
Ok, but just read nvidia doc and they talk about "GPU sync" so....
Game-Gforce-GPU-SYNC tech is all what I need
I think this may be very difficult to get working on some other display technologies. Plasma and CRTs, for example, really show the image based on your refresh rate. As in, they flicker at the refresh speed. It would become unbearable at lower refresh rates like <50Hz.
This monitor is upgradable.
Doesn't plasma refresh each pixel several times per frame? It may be possible to play with the timing/refresh count there.
It doesn't matter that it's HW. They could make an API to com with it and make that public.
Hell AMD is making Mantle public (not that I expect other HW vendors to use it). In reality, this isn't rocket science. It needs to send some sync parameters. That's basically it in terms of com with the GPU.
What's are you talking about? I have the same screen and it's pretty good.
and this:
Maybe, but this may just be easier to accomplish on LCD tech. I'm hoping to be proven wrong as I would prefer it on something else as well.
ss_lemonade
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So this gets you dynamic refresh rates. Looking at the product details, gsync refresh rates range from 30 - 144hz. What happens if I drop below 30fps?
No specific models other than the Asus VG248QE with a kit pre-installed.
Will supposedly run the gamut from budget monitors up to 4k displays. I assume most of them will be 120Hz panels or higher.
I assume it would work like normal vsync then.
Pagusas
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you buy a new GPU.
EatChildren
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One would assume tearing, or with synchronisation stutter/lag.
If you're consistently dropping below 30fps you should avoid spending that money on a monitor and instead get a new GPU.
immortal-joe
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Buy I play my PC games on my big TV in the living room. So when can I expect this technology to be available on that?
Fine Ham Abounds
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G-SYNC makes people think g-spot, N-SYNC makes them think dick in a box
maabus1999
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Big news. If AMD can't make something compatible or equivalent, they could be in a major bind with some of the enthusiast crowd for the next few years. Mantle has nothing on this...
Lostconfused
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm
I get noticeable eye strain and headaches with this monitor and can't wait to get rid of it as soon as possible. I was planning on getting an XL2420TE until this announcement. Since it's just an extra component I hope Benq isn't slow about doing a refresh of their current line.
This was my thought as well. If you're really dipping below 30 fps, you've got to adjust something (graphics quality, or upgrade).
RibbedHero
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Welcome to next-gen lads! This is gonna be amazinggggggggg.
Probably 2-5 years. Tech always comes to monitors and enthusiast/professional displays before trickling down to TV, things like HD resolutions, 120Hz (which still hasn't hit TVs), etc.
Probably 2-5 years. Tech always comes to monitors and enthusiast/professional displays before trickling down to TV, things like HD resolutions, 120Hz (which still hasn't hit TVs), etc.