Oh, look, JGS trolling abiogenesis out of fucking nowhere.
Anyway. Has anyone seen this young earth belief being held anywhere but the US?
It's quite puzzling. Especially since it comes from people who generally dismiss the OT as "past history" and not that important to christianity. If at all.
I didn't even know what a "young earther" was before reading this thread.
Now i'm glad i never meet these kind of people. I would probably just laugh at their stupid faces anyway.
Oh, look, JGS trolling abiogenesis out of fucking nowhere.
Anyway. Has anyone seen this young earth belief being held anywhere but the US?
It's quite puzzling. Especially since it comes from people who generally dismiss the OT as "past history" and not that important to christianity. If at all.
I went to a christian school (K-12) and they taught all of this stuff....I believed it when I was really young, as soon as I got to middle and high school it all just got kind of crazy. When I questioned it, I was shot down very quickly with random statements about how that's just how it is.
Stupidity and willful ignorance of facts is the only way one could believe this shit.
Wishful thinking.
As as way to believe this? I suppose that's accurate.
Went to school with Hovind's kids. Yeah.
Oh, look, JGS trolling abiogenesis out of fucking nowhere.
Oh stop, I didn't do that at all. You all know I think abiogenesisis is phoney so why get out of shape evertytime I surprise you by saying...it's phoney. Get over it or improve your teaching methods to convince .Oh, look, JGS trolling abiogenesis out of fucking nowhere.
Anyway. Has anyone seen this young earth belief being held anywhere but the US?
It's quite puzzling. Especially since it comes from people who generally dismiss the OT as "past history" and not that important to christianity. If at all.
Oh stop, I didn't do that at all. You all know I think abiogenesisis is phoney so why get out of shape evertytime I surprise you by saying...it's phoney. Get over it or improve your teaching methods to convince .
The topic on hand is whether it's relevant that most of the world doesn't agree that abiogeneisis. Obviously some of the whackier atheists out there are goingto point to the inherent dangers of not believing in it or believing in YEC, but in the end all this indicates is it has had no effect at all on anyone. If that hurts your feelings (Again), then boohoo.
Stop talking about the fallacy of God existing & I'll stop takling about the fallacy that is abiogenesis. (I guess if the mods make it a bannable offense I'll stop too.)
Focus on what I was replying to and it may have helped you.No one was discussing the origin of life here, yet you came up with your tired "hey btw guys, abiogenesis is pure science fiction, there's absolutely nothing out there to back it up, it's no different than a belief in god" shtick.
No matter how many times people point out active research in the field with solid data showing that the premise of life arising from simple molecules is a perfectly viable hypothesis, you keep ignoring it and regurgitate the same "100% BS LALALAAAA".
Anyway, anyone familiar with religion and/or science topics already knows your blind opinion about it, there's no need to repeat it over and over again. Especially when it's coming out of the left field in a thread where absolutely no one mentioned abiogenesis to begin with.
Bad religion and bad science are bad religion and bad science.
Focus on what I was replying to and it may have helped you.
I was just discussing belief and comparing how life got here (A YEC belief) with abiogeneiss (A non-religious belief). People gravitate toward a particular belief about how life started because there has NEVER been anything concrete about it. This is why people who are "otherwise normal" have a whacky notion about life's beginnings (Both YEC & abiogeneis & neither of which have anything to do with evolution debates)
YEC has been disproven by both religious and non-religious people using science but that doesn't actually add weight to either sides basis for their beliefs. It just rules out YEC.
See the connection now?
i heard about this story about where billions of billions of years ago something came out of nothing.
Crazy i know.
Do I tag quote you and move along or do you tell us how it was?I was one for several years!
Especially since it comes from people who generally dismiss the OT as "past history" and not that important to christianity. If at all.
Focus on what I was replying to and it may have helped you.
I was just discussing belief and comparing how life got here (A YEC belief) with abiogeneiss (A non-religious belief). People gravitate toward a particular belief about how life started because there has NEVER been anything concrete about it. This is why people who are "otherwise normal" have a whacky notion about life's beginnings (Both YEC & abiogeneis & neither of which have anything to do with evolution debates)
YEC has been disproven by both religious and non-religious people using science but that doesn't actually add weight to either sides basis for their beliefs. It just rules out YEC.
See the connection now?
Focus on what I was replying to and it may have helped you.
I was just discussing belief and comparing how life got here (A YEC belief) with abiogeneiss (A non-religious belief). People gravitate toward a particular belief about how life started because there has NEVER been anything concrete about it. This is why people who are "otherwise normal" have a whacky notion about life's beginnings (Both YEC & abiogeneis & neither of which have anything to do with evolution debates)
YEC has been disproven by both religious and non-religious people using science but that doesn't actually add weight to either sides basis for their beliefs. It just rules out YEC.
See the connection now?
How is abiogenesis a 'non-religious belief'?
It's a well founded scientific theory, people aren't grasping at straws when they research abiogenesis.
Not really. I mean it does trace the lineage of [Jewish?] man starting with Adam & Eve and so is a pretty good Jewish record for hereditary purposes.JGS, doesn't Deuteronomy trace the lineage all the way back to Adam and Eve and provide a good estimate (based upon average life expectancy) for the age of the Earth?
JGS, doesn't Deuteronomy trace the lineage all the way back to Adam and Eve and provide a good estimate (based upon average life expectancy) for the age of the Earth?
Basically, the main thing I learned that, prior to the Great Flood, it had NEVER rained. Ever. There was a giant water basin floating above the atmosphere where all the water was stored, and, in addition to this, it blocked out the sun's radiation preventing cancer thus everyone lived to 900-years old. I'm no science major, but I felt that, you know, nothing could survive if it never rained. Apparently, though, condensation never existed back then either so the land was super moist and stayed that way.
You're putting words in my mouth. I don't think scientist are crazy or evil. If you don't believe in God- what else is there to do but believe something without him? That's human nature which if you had read what I stated was exactly what I stated. This makes the rest of the bloat of your comments largely as irrelevant as the importance placed on people who believe in YEC.The only connection there is is that when someone mentioned "a lack of critical thinking" you jumped on the occasion to accuse people not having your "abiogenesis is complete horseshit" position of lacking it too. You've proven many times that for you abiogenesis is just a fairy tale pushed by just a bunch of crazy scientists who "have to" because they "can't accept god".
I'm not lying even if I'm mistaking. I never have a need to lie especially over this ansd especially to the likes of you and your building bigger molehills out of molehills. If you aren't trying to prove something then stop bringing it up. If you are than put up or shut up.Now people have been working on this for decades, and claiming that there is absolutely no evidence that life could possibly arise from non-living material (or the classic "well all there is is a bunch of aminoacids created in a flask") is a complete and utter lie. It's been baby steps so far, mostly proving that many components of a living cell can form from extremely simple molecules, but it's a good start that is already a million times more documented than an ethereal being wishing stuff into existence. There's no comparison AT ALL.
Now if you're going to pull a kirkcameron and expect scientists to make up a dog starting from extremely simple reagents, then yeah I'm afraid you can wait for a long time. But that's an utterly ridiculous position to have.
If I made this quote, I would like to apologize to all fairy tale authors for ascibing the same level of creativity to abiogenesis.
"Abiogenesis is a fairy tale, no one will ever be able to prove it" - JGS.
But I'm not even debating anything! There's nothing even to debate and you of all people have contributed nothing to the process but a condemnation (Some atheists are particulalry good at acting fundamental when they have nothing else to say)Guys, it's JGS. He may be a very nice guy IRL, but here on the boards, he's consistently one of the poorest and most disingenuous debaters. Give it up, you're not going to convince him.
You're putting words in my mouth. I don't think scientist are crazy or evil. If you don't believe in God- what else is there to do but believe something without him? That's human nature which if you had read what I stated was exactly what I stated. This makes the rest of the bloat of your comments largely as irrelevant as the importance placed on people who believe in YEC.
I'm not lying even if I'm mistaking. I never have a need to lie especially over this ansd especially to the likes of you and your building bigger molehills out of molehills. If you aren't trying to prove something then stop bringing it up. If you are than put up or shut up.
What people are doing this? How many baby steps have they taken? How close are they from starting life from scratch? How on your planet is the notion that the lame little baby steps you mentioned are somehow better than the billions of documented findings regarding the hard science of where life MUST come from?
Right now all you are is talk and you're doing exactly what a YEC does in justifying the impossibility.
If I made this quote, I would like to apologize to all fairy tale authors for ascibing the same level of creativity to abiogenesis.
EDIT: I forgot I am helping you prolong a thread derailment so I release you from your obligation of providing the evidence you never would be able to produce anyway.
We never do this. I say hogwash because what you just stated is what you always state WHICH IS NOT PROOF OF ABIOGENESIS.JGS, we do this every time - we show tons of research being conducted regarding Abiogenesis and you just say "Hogwash" and that's that. We have protocell research, we have amino acid research, there are tons of things we could show you that highlight the continuing advances of our knowledge in the field.
Do you actually care?
We never do this. I say hogwash because what you just stated is what you always state WHICH IS NOT PROOF OF ABIOGENESIS.
You bring up the obvious examples out there (Like Raist) and never deliver. It is definitely a waste of both of our times. I don't even understand why it needs to become personal. the purpose of the board is not for everyone to come to mutual agreement over things that are impossible to agree over. It's to discuss opinions and the saltiness always derives from the genrous end of non-religion people that show greater compassion.
Until the mods ban religious talk than it's stupid to keep insisting that religious people have to believe what you tell them to. Why?
What scientific research was tossed my way in order for me to toss it way?All I can see is that you are tossing aside scientific research into the possibility of abiogenesis. Is the fact that we as humans have been unable to scientifically duplicate the conditions of something that complex that may have happened over the course of millions if not billions of years the 1 thing that is holding you back from even acknowledging the semblance that it could be possible?
Congratulations, you are arguing my point 100% so welcome to the Brotherhood. This is all nothing more than choosing which of two impossible things to believe. I'm just going to the one that makes the most sense to me. You apparently choose the Dark Side...Why is it that this can't even hold a candle to the idea that a god made everything out of nothing because he wanted to? There is literally no minutia of evidence to support that idea either!
No offense, JGS, but you were even called out recently by Stumpokapow of all people, the most logical, fair, and open-minded mod on the board, in terms of giving people a lot of discursive leeway. Does that not tell you something about the way that you tend to argue, or at least the perception that people have of you on the board?
What scientific research was tossed my way in order for me to toss it way?
Seriously, how can a group of people so bent on proving their point catch one thing and completely miss the other wihthin the same comments? In stark contrast to Kinitari I am not interested in converting people to my view.
I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Not evading, just can't remember although I'm sure a link will popo up if it were important.No offense, JGS, but you were even called out recently by Stumpokapow of all people, the most logical, fair, and open-minded mod on the board, in terms of giving people a lot of discursive leeway. Does that not tell you something about the way that you tend to argue, or at least the perception that people have of you on the board?
Not true. the very thing you quoted to prove your point made no mention of attempts at proving abiogenesis. Should I call you a liar now or later when you inevitably bring it up again?I think the post directly above this one makes it abundantly clear that he intends to keep fuckin' that chicken.
Also, he seems to think that no research has been done on abiogenesis at all, which is adorable.
Again you ignore what I said to keep with your own narrowminded view about me. I'm not trying to hold onto a concept I look forward to the day that proof is shown. I just dont think it will happen. I have not completely dismissed abiogenesis and am impressed with the strides scientists make. Baby steps though...This is a good & brief article http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...in-the-lab-may-simulate-earths-earliest-life/How can one person so bent on ignoring something completely dismiss something in favor of something that doesn't exist?
Here let me toss this at you:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=abiogenesis
Feel free to learn something.
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JGS, we do this every time - we show tons of research being conducted regarding Abiogenesis and you just say "Hogwash" and that's that. We have protocell research, we have amino acid research, there are tons of things we could show you that highlight the continuing advances of our knowledge in the field.
Do you actually care?
Scientific research, logical deduction, studies from various disciplines will not sway someone who is convinced of the supernatural. Abiogenesis will remain irrational nonsense to those who MUST believe we are of divine origin...no matter the evidence.
How many times are you going to use the same argment based on nothing? Who is refuting the existence of experiments to prove abiogenesis? Who?People including myself, kinitari and mario have given you links to youtube videos explaning and summarizing the current knowledgeand research in the abiogenesis field. Many times.
If you want to keep your eyes and ears shut, fine, but don't pretend we never have.
Prove it.You also have made many statements which I summarized, and saying that abiogenesis and creationism are equals is simply false and outrageous. One is a perfectly logical hypothesis with some evidence backing up the concept, the other is the epitome of irrational, never proven and never to be proven idea ever stemming from mankind's imagination
You also may want to be careful blindly linking a search you didn't read yourself as that usually helps strengthen my views.
Do I tag quote you and move along or do you tell us how it was?