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#GameFreakLied Sword and Shield Models are 3DS Ports
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bigDdestruction
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Definitely, i personally think the gold and silver remakes are probably gamefreak at its best. Those were great remakes with nice challenge, great post game content, and all 493 pokemon (at the time) would have sprites that follow you like in the pokemon yellow days. Why regress on features Gamefreak?!?
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Shifty
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Holy shit, someone else knows what multimedia fusion is.
I honed my craft on that piece of trash. Made it sing like a cat on a hot tin roof.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
damn im just now reading about this. fucking scumbags.
i am a super casual Pokemon fan, all i know is "Gotta catch 'em all!"
so maybe they should change it to "Gotta catch some of them, catching them all is a lot of hard work"
i am a super casual Pokemon fan, all i know is "Gotta catch 'em all!"
so maybe they should change it to "Gotta catch some of them, catching them all is a lot of hard work"
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I haven't played a pokemon rpg in 15 years. I'm planning to buy this game because it looks fun.Reminder that this is also a $60 "console priced" game
Buy Dragon Quest XI. That has a ridiculous amount of content in comparison to this release.
Maybe it's because I'm part of the pokemon community or whatever, but all of these complaints just come off as stupid and petty to me. Isn't the appeal of pokemon the gameplay loop and collecting monsters. Not as a graphical powerhouse.
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Herr Edgy
Member
I just know that you need one single insincere guy or gal (*cough*) to create a simple model and show it in wireframe mode.
Just don't believe anything like that unless there is a credible source attached.
stranno
Member
I have to admit that this is pretty amazing to see lol
When you notice the pokeballs froze mid toss
They need to throw some cloud power there.
PumpkinPie
Banned
What do Game Freak even do with all their money? I could understand if the games sold poorly and they didn't have the budget, but that's the total opposite of reality.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Great song
Werewolf Jones
Member
Nintendo is paying to censor the truth, clearly.
The Mad Draklor
Member
You thought it was just a mere ladder, but it was me, Ladd-Dio!They just stop time when you encounter them.
Jubenhimer
Member
Game Freak once again displays its gross incompetence. Seriously, you had 4 years, and over 1000 people working on this game, and this is what you come up with?
The Pleasure
Member
You have offended the basement dwellers of the world repent or all your dew will disappear alobg with orange fingerprints across your domicile
MagnesG
Banned
Cost 50% more money?For those wondering why many fans are mad, here are the reasons
I don't any good reasons for the game to stop being fun, you just catch and battle pokemon.
Punished Miku
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alabtrosMyster
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This is strange that Nintendo doesn't put more effort than that in one od their most important IP.
Punished Miku
Banned
It's not made by Nintendo. It's made by Game Freak and The Pokemon Company.
Nintendo has far more skilled developers than they do. They have a publishing deal with Game Freak and that's mostly it as far as I know. They own a large part of the company, but it's seemingly run mostly independently. Game Freak also puts games on PS4 sometimes.
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zenspider
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All this isn't being raked over the coals?
Mochilador
Member
What a joke. Game Freak is really behind tech wise.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I'm not a Pokemon fan, but this situation reminds me of other popular franchises;
Perhaps it would have been wiser for GameFreak to keep the top-down view and basic gameplay, and not have cut anything from the Poke-dex or the moves. They made the wrong call by trying to evolve the franchise, and then cut stuff. If you're gonna cut stuff, don't do it that way.
Perhaps it would have been wiser for GameFreak to keep the top-down view and basic gameplay, and not have cut anything from the Poke-dex or the moves. They made the wrong call by trying to evolve the franchise, and then cut stuff. If you're gonna cut stuff, don't do it that way.
Ryu Kaiba
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With this being the first mainline entry on the Switch people had built up hope that this is it! This would finally be the console quality pokemon game they've dreamed of, but instead we get more confirmation that Game Freak is milking the series. In 2019 with how far we've come it's not unreasonable for people to have expected more visual improvements.
Not to mention them blatantly lying should not be acceptable.
Dr. Claus
Banned
You would think people would realize after Stadium, Snap, Colosseum, XD, PokePark, etc that Gamefreak is not one to release high end, AAA games. Especially after only two years of development. Then again, we have people who think that there are 1000 genders so intelligence is sorely lacking these days.
Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That is the general viewpoint I have with anyone who gets fooled by Gamefreak thinking they would suddenly change when they haven't in their over 20 years with this franchise. As I stated earlier, they haven't changed their MO, their target audience, and they have been doing the same things endlessly. Expecting anything different is only foolish.
Blatant lying? You mean the new models and animations that have already been proven to be in the game? Whether you think that there is enough of them is one thing, but they kept their promise. Better animations are there, better models are there, along with the bad animations that have been a part of the franchise since day one. (And no, better does not necessarily mean good or even great. Trash can be slightly less trash and still be considered "better")
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jadedm17
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Then in 10 to 20 years when they grow up and deal with even worse Pokemon games we show this and maybe they can learn they only have themselves to blame.
Ryu Kaiba
Member
Game Freak not being capable of producing a high end game is only more reason people should have criticisms.
I look at what other studios have done for their stagnant series like BOTW, God of War, Resident Evil 2 remake, Monster Hunter World games that are bursting with AMBITION by developers that wanted to make greatness and I want that in a Pokemon game as well because I love Pokemon!
I imagine my dream Pokemon game set in big open world with many different environments and Pokemon living in those environments some common some rare. you set out on your journey and along the way you meet npc's and do side quests, problem solving with them, rescuing Pokemon in danger or something.
I want there to be environmental puzzles that you use your Pokemon's abilities to solve
and I want the trainers you battle to react more contextually to you and your Pokemon, for example if you throw out a legendary there would be surprised or if you were the Pokemon league champion they would acknowledge that. and much more but i'll stop for now.
Granted games like that take time to make but many other studios still do so much Even with yearly franchises like assassins creed for example. Not a game i'm a fan of, but i acknowledge the work that goes into making them. They operate at a scale game freak should be at and they do it with so much less revenue.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I dont think Pokemon needs to be that intense with its graphics, they should do what Gust did with Atelier Ryza.
Atelier Ryza graphics its not high tech but it visuals just pops and looks gorgeous! change of art direction did wonders with overall visuals of that game.
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Ryu Kaiba
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Agreed. I didn't mean Pokemon had to look like those games necessarily, just that I could sense the ambition from those developers..I dont think Pokemon needs to be that intense with its graphics, they should do what Gust did with Atelier Ryza.
Atelier Ryza graphics its not high tech but it visuals just pops and looks gorgeous! change of art direction did wonders with overall visuals of that game.
A Pokemon game that looks like Atelier Ryza would be wonderful.
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buizel
Banned
Did someone say Click n Play, or Games Factory, or Clickteam Fusion? Hell yeah.
I remember making a game in primary school where my friends house was on fire and his retarded sister was chasing you. Very cool and pro.
buizel
Banned
I dont think Pokemon needs to be that intense with its graphics, they should do what Gust did with Atelier Ryza.
Atelier Ryza graphics its not high tech but it visuals just pops and looks gorgeous! change of art direction did wonders with overall visuals of that game.
I'm sorry but you expect the development team behind the world's biggest ever franchises to be able to hold a candle to the Atelier?
Wait... It's completely crazy that it doesn't look anywhere near as good. I feel like game freak are lazy and cheap and don't want to hire outside help to split profits, thus forever making the same shit and never trying.
buizel
Banned
Literally why not? Theres countless indies and bigger titles released every day that look better both from a stylistic and technical standpoint - why not expect them to adapt to times?
Stylistically this game can look really really nice at times, still hampered by technical limitations of game freaks knowledge. But other times looks like
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Doczu
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I think you got my whole post wrong.Literally why not? Theres countless indies and bigger titles released every day that look better both from a stylistic and technical standpoint - why not expect them to adapt to times?
Stylistically this game can look really really nice at times, still hampered by technical limitations of game freaks knowledge. But other times looks like
It would be fan-fucking-tastic if they made a game that looked like DQ XI, (going by sales they would have enough to make it valid), it's that people don't have the highest possible standards for this game, they would be ok with nice graphics, not this blend and mix of 3DS models, some fugly N64 textures and a bit of modern effects here and there (not too much though, because we don't want GameFreak to overdo themself!).
It's that they don't even try because people just buy it. Digimon goes beyond what is needed just because they need those sales
Red Crayon Aristocrat
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It's a shame to see a potentially cool game ruined by half assed laziness.
It's definitely a pass for me.
It's definitely a pass for me.
buizel
Banned
I think you got my whole post wrong.
It would be fan-fucking-tastic if they made a game that looked like DQ XI, (going by sales they would have enough to make it valid), it's that people don't have the highest possible standards for this game, they would be ok with nice graphics, not this blend and mix of 3DS models, some fugly N64 textures and a bit of modern effects here and there (not too much though, because we don't want GameFreak to overdo themself!).
It's that they don't even try because people just buy it. Digimon goes beyond what is needed just because they need those sales
Yeah I guess... Digimon Vita games look great but I dont play them. Maybe the next one theyll try lol. Been saying that since Diamond Pearl reveal and even RuSa to some extent.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
I mean play this, it's free
pokemmo.eu
We have been enjoying our time with it so far; not apologizing for any changes they've made this gen, but eh. Out of my hands; no use being angry about it
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We have been enjoying our time with it so far; not apologizing for any changes they've made this gen, but eh. Out of my hands; no use being angry about it
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Herr Edgy
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As both a dev and consumer (you'd think all devs are consumers but that's not the case actually; many who don't play games or only very rarely, or those who are oblivious to genres, titles and mechanics across the board) shit really sucks.
Both gamers and game devs act very entitled in different situations.
No, individual developers or even just groups of people at GameFreak don't deserve to be called shit or monkeys or heck, even incompetent, because results like these often don't depend on 'just skill' of some individual: budget, deadlines etc. can bring the best developers (which GameFreak aren't) to their knees. It might be just a couple managers high up indirectly sabotaging the project from a consumer standpoint. Working for quite some time on a title to have people shit on them personally isn't justified at all.
What is justified however is criticizing results, and no matter who or what is responsible, in whatever combination, it is fair that consumers express their dislikes and expections about a product. Personally I see games as both art and product, and just sitting there dismissing any criticism about content and technical details as idiotic because making games is hard and the person criticizing doesn't understand game dev themselves, that doesn't mean their opinion about the product is invalid.
I was disappointed seeing a couple game devs I'm following on twitter shit on the people who complain about the issues, because even if some of it is a bit overblown/disrespectful, there is a reason the discontent exists.
It's disregarding games as a serious medium if overall complaints aren't taken seriously and tells me more about the dev's take on games than anything else.
"It's fine not delivering and improving, because making games is hard" is an indirect refusal to accept that something went wrong and that someone needs to change that. It's throwing away responsibility and the primary reason that GameFreak never developed the need of improving their technical skill sets: because no one held anyone responsible for doing little.
Both gamers and game devs act very entitled in different situations.
No, individual developers or even just groups of people at GameFreak don't deserve to be called shit or monkeys or heck, even incompetent, because results like these often don't depend on 'just skill' of some individual: budget, deadlines etc. can bring the best developers (which GameFreak aren't) to their knees. It might be just a couple managers high up indirectly sabotaging the project from a consumer standpoint. Working for quite some time on a title to have people shit on them personally isn't justified at all.
What is justified however is criticizing results, and no matter who or what is responsible, in whatever combination, it is fair that consumers express their dislikes and expections about a product. Personally I see games as both art and product, and just sitting there dismissing any criticism about content and technical details as idiotic because making games is hard and the person criticizing doesn't understand game dev themselves, that doesn't mean their opinion about the product is invalid.
I was disappointed seeing a couple game devs I'm following on twitter shit on the people who complain about the issues, because even if some of it is a bit overblown/disrespectful, there is a reason the discontent exists.
It's disregarding games as a serious medium if overall complaints aren't taken seriously and tells me more about the dev's take on games than anything else.
"It's fine not delivering and improving, because making games is hard" is an indirect refusal to accept that something went wrong and that someone needs to change that. It's throwing away responsibility and the primary reason that GameFreak never developed the need of improving their technical skill sets: because no one held anyone responsible for doing little.
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Doczu
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A hunderd time this.
It's ok to complain and criticize when it's valid and this time it's more than valid.
People were criticizing a few gens back, i joined the displeased bandwagon since X and Y. I did like the games, played them and was (more or less) satisfied with what i got, but i still could be honest about the fact that the game looked worse than DQ Monsters Joker for the DS.
Then Sun and Moon came and these looked really nice for 3DS. I didn't like the gameplay changes, but at least the overworld looked mighty fine for a 3DS game.
Now we're back at square one. New console, but the game is based on the 3DS engine. And that wouldn't be so bad, but not only did they fuck up the pokedex, even though they had all those pkmn's ready. And in places the game looks worse? Really GameFreak?
Fbh
Member
It's nice seeing this.
During the years I worked in retail (several of them in a games store) the VAST majority of people that bought Pokemon games were teens and young adults. Without exaggerating I think a good two thirds were older than 14-15. Even more so when you looked at the more hardcore fanbase, the people forming long lines outside the store on launch day, the ones buying both versions or the ones showing up when we hosted special events (those mystery gift thingies).
It's one of the big reasons I've never been convinced by the "it's for kids!!!11!" defense force (also being for kids doesn't mean it has to be low effort). But at the same time it was all anecdotal and just based on my experience so I always thought maybe it's something specific to my country or the store I worked for. It's nice seeing some data supporting that this is the case for the larger markets too
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Vampire On Titus
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It's a toolbag response regardless. You don't have to play a game to look at the busted animations and see they're clearly busted.
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