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[MrSardonic]

I don't know how this fux developers.

er perhaps because game design, development etc is becoming increasingly expensive and every game a small developer or publisher takes on can spell doom if the sales aren't good

Well, I don't necessarily want a copy of the revmote technology anyway. I just want something better for FPS games.

The revmote is better for FPS games, and sounds better than a keyboard/mouse. As good as a mouse is for aiming, the K/M combo has major drawbacks which are all too obvious - especially when it comes to intuitive gaming for new gamers and playing around a TV in a social environment

If this were the case, Call of Duty 2 would not be the best selling Xbox 360 game by a landslide, selling over 1.5 million copies worldwide already.

That's because a lot of people out there are experienced gamers who grew up with the evolution in controllers...or who put up with having just enough control to play these games and gawk at the graphics. What I am suggesting, based on anecdotal evidence over the last 5 years, is that there are people who want to play these games but simply cannot use the controllers or don't put a priority on learning how to master the interface - even the couple who bother with CoD2 are totally crap at the game. It would be interesting to see what they thought if they could play it totally intuitively.

Obviously, a lot of people would like to join in a gaming session but they feel they are unable to...or the rest of us moan and shout "no press A! Look up...UP!! UP!!!!!" etc until they burst into tears and promise never to touch the console again. It is a different matter when we get the NES, Megadrive or SNES out. What the revmote is trying to do is break down this barrier so that people who think "looks cool, would be fun if I could play it....er, what do I do with this thing?" can actually become habitual gamers and increase software sales and broaden the genres out there.

That's the theory, we'll soon see how successful it proves.

This is PS3's Rev killer right here:

no, that's a hemorrhoid

 

[Amir0x]

miyamoto has talked about quality and variety over quantity and he's right.

Nah, he's pretty much wrong. N64 was a showing of this philosophy, and it was the worst system they've ever made. ("Quality over quantity" was an early tagline of theirs). If the third party support isn't there in large amount, then the variety suffers, and so will the quality over time. DS isn't a result of "quality over quantity", as it has the most third party support, the support that counts, AND plenty of first party games. And some are shit, and some are good.

That's why PSOne and PS2 had by far the most high quality games of their respective gens, and why SNES did before that, NES before that... because third party support was great. It helps if you've got a great first party too, no doubt, but this is just bullshit tailormade for when you can't get more support.

Therefore, I don't think it will apply at all as developers will be giving Revolution plenty of support.

 

[ant1532]

This is PS3's Rev killer right here:

looks like a giant pimple

~Happy Easter

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Quantify "new". Medal of Honor Airborne Assault are putting you in huge maps, where you can drop in at any point (even crash through homes) to get to your objective. This is something which has never been accomplished in FPS games before. Or Prey, with its portal technology with gravity system completely changes the gameplay dynamics seen in a FPS game before. Or FEAR with such advanced squad based tactical AI it affects the dynamics of battle, giving you firefights you've never seen before. BLACK gets called 'gun porn', but FEAR owns the sheet out of BLACK on every level.

I must admit I have not been able to play any of the newest games, and they certainly sound like they have good changes in them. I don't have the graphics card to run them unfortunately, I have had to spend my money on school related things rather than upgrading my computer. I have heard FEAR is very very good though, not just through internets either.

You might as well admit you are interested in the possibly incredibly fun single-player and multiplayer crazyness of lobbing your grenade manually and stabbing people with swords/knives that the revmote will offer.

Fixed.

 

[Jasper]

Regarding Sony's stance on Nintendo

Sony for sure see Nintendo as a major threat within the Japanese home console market.

With the DS craze in Japan, Sony are probably concerned that Nintendo will do MUCH better with its home console this coming gen in Japan.

I doubt they think Nintendo will dominate, but im sure they are concerned with how the Rev/DS together can become ipod-like crazy in Japan. (I dont mean in terms of sales, I mean in terms of branding and public perception - generating a funky and tech savvy image and potentially become heavily part of Japanese pop/social culture like arcade dance machines, anime, karaoke etc.

 

[Mrbob]

Mr Sardonic, I know using a mouse/keyboard isn't the most ideal situation in the living room, but whoever offers it between Sony and MS will be king for the next 5 years. I'm hoping MS steps up to the plate. Not only because I have a 360 already, but because X360 will be the home to FPS gaming. I know Nintendo fans hope the revmote helps get Nintendo more games in the FPS genre so their system isn't ignored. It will help, but it won't necessarily make the FPS standard. Especially with the year head start 360 has. Xbox was where FPS gamers went, and X360 is continuing this tradition. You just need to look at what has been released, and the upcoming game lineup to see this. Valve is supposedly working on Xbox 360. Id has a new game coming to X360. All the top dogs in FPS are working on X360 projects, and the revmote isn't going to change things. This is why I am adament about MS offering an improved X360 controller, or maybe they don't care and will let things flow the way they are for the next 5 years which would be a huge disappointment.

I must admit I have not been able to play any of the newest games, and they certainly sound like they have good changes in them. I don't have the graphics card to run them unfortunately, I have had to spend my money on school related things rather than upgrading my computer. I have heard FEAR is very very good though, not just through internets either.

All these games are coming to Xbox 360, so you wouldn't need a new PC.

 

[ant1532]

h/o... WTF

Ok, I always thought GameInformer was a horible magazine = to Ebgames GMR. I bought one issue and didnt think anything of it, but after readin all these things I decided to look um up in Wiki and see how theyre gettin all this exclusive shit..

Formed in August 1991, it is the best selling video game magazine in the world (as well as in the top 100 magazines overall) in terms of subscribers, who number around 1.5 million.

WtF? I didnt know anyone read this, and its that popular? I thought EGM was king... You guys read it too?
~Happy Easter

 

[Amir0x]

i just get it for the exclusives

 

[koam]

Sony will not include revmote-like technology within the PS3.

The system is going to be expensive enough to manufacture, and adding motion sensing technology into the PS3 controller, will only make the system even more expensive to either Sony or the consumer.

Remember, this motion sensing tech is pricey, and it needs sensors within the controller, actual PS3 system, and an external sensor to be placed on top of the television. Sorry, but Sony have enough to worry about then having to sort out another headache as this will be if it were to happen.

I think also with the Immersion lawsuit, Sony may be a little rattled at the though of a potential lawsuit from Nintendo, so that may be another reason why Sony will not go with this path as some are expecting.

What I do think though is Sony will expand Eye-Toy into a 'virtual reality' like device, and a revmote controller packed in with an eye-toy could likely happen.

Except that, they can easily include an eye toy with the ps3 and have the eyetoy detect the controller. It will be a crippled version of the rev but they'll avoid the patent headaches and also, average joe will think it's the same thing.

 

[SnakeXs]

Except that, they can easily include an eye toy with the ps3 and have the eyetoy detect the controller. It will be a crippled version of the rev but they'll avoid the patent headaches and also, average joe will think it's the same thing.

All else aside: Eye Toy = optional, costly, extra. That alone negates it from ever being at the same level of the Revmote.

 

[Amir0x]

All else aside: Eye Toy = optional, costly, extra. That alone negates it from ever being at the same level of the Revmote.

Well koam suggests they would include EyeToy w/ the PS3.

However, the other point remains true... it's costly, and at this point anything that is going to make it more difficult for PS3 to come at a appropriately mass market price is gonna be avoided.

 

[SnakeXs]

Well koam suggests they would include EyeToy w/ the PS3.

However, the other point remains true... it's costly, and at this point anything that is going to make it more difficult for PS3 to come at a appropriately mass market price is gonna be avoided.

Forgive my somehow missing that. (It's gonna happen a lot today, folks, another all nighter...)

But, yeah, cost... That thing's not gonna be cheap... Eyetoy "1" isn't exactly cheap, and that's not even in the same ballpark as 2.

So, as of launch, I'd say it's slim to none.

 

[gofreak]

Eyetoy, at least the original one, is dirt-cheap for Sony now. Even when it first started out, the aim IIRC was to have a product that came under $20. Not that I'm suggesting they'll include it in the box, of course..

On capability, Rev and eyetoy are somewhat divergent. Eyetoy would be crippled in trying to do everything Rev does, but the opposite would be true in some regards (even if maybe not to the same degree). The best thing would be to have both. Or a 3D/infrared eyetoy (hello PS4 :/).

 

[ant1532]

Has sony ever bundled shit with thier system at launch?
~Happy Easter

 

[MrSardonic]

Mr Sardonic, I know using a mouse/keyboard isn't the most ideal situation in the living room, but whoever offers it between Sony and MS will be king for the next 5 years.

Perhaps for you, or for PC gamers, but I'd imagine that the majority of console gamers and new gamers aren't going to care about playing videogames with a keyboard and mouse...especially when it comes to multiplayer.

It will help, but it won't necessarily make the FPS standard. Especially with the year head start 360 has.

Headstarts really mean nothing is someone provides a vastly superior interface. It doesn't actually matter whether Value and other PC developers make Rev games immediately or even in the future...what matters is the judgement on what controller provides the best FPS interface.

 

[koam]

Has sony ever bundled shit with thier system at launch?
~Happy Easter

PSP value pack?

 

[ant1532]

PSP value pack?

you got me..!
:lol
~Happy Easter

 

[PhoenixDark]

This is PS3's Rev killer right here:

I have a trackball mouse, and it controls perfectly. But it would be impossible to control a trackball with your thumb. I just played a game of Wolfenstein using my thumb only for aiming; got killed.

It wouldn't work, and Sony isn't that stupid

 

[TheKingsCrown]

PSP value pack?

:lol Just caught it

 

[TurtleSnatcher]

h/o... WTF

Ok, I always thought GameInformer was a horible magazine = to Ebgames GMR. I bought one issue and didnt think anything of it, but after readin all these things I decided to look um up in Wiki and see how theyre gettin all this exclusive shit..



WtF? I didnt know anyone read this, and its that popular? I thought EGM was king... You guys read it too?
~Happy Easter

well duh everyone knew game informer is the most popular gaming magazine in the world.

It has more subscribers then rolling stones and shiz.

 

[koam]

Got this from paladin over at the ign boards, surprised he didn't post it here yet:

He's a long time friend who works at the <location removed> IBM plant.

me: so whats this ibm news?
him: well, i talked to a guy from the Broadway (Rev's CPU) team
him: they're wrapping up their work with it, they'll be done by the end of this month
him: the chip's been finalized for quite some time, and testing is pretty much done, and the work with Nintendo on our site is going to end at the end of April or begining of May, so I asked what he's moving onto after that
him: turns out IBM is going to use the Rev's CPU in one of their printers
him: so after they're done working with Nintendo, they're going to use the same chip but only apply it to a printer they're designing
me: LOL
me: why is it perfect for a printer?
him: no ida
him: *idea
him: cheap probably
him: its a pretty darn efficient 733mhz CPU
me: how much does it cost to manufacture once china gets the ball rolling?
him: dunno
me: $2
me: lol
him: hehe

 

[typhonsentra]

Why isn't this topic stickied?

 

[MrSardonic]

Got this from paladin over at the ign boards, surprised he didn't post it here yet

:lol Hilarious. Cell = supercomputer, Broadway = commerical printer

 

[clearacell]

Got this from paladin over at the ign boards, surprised he didn't post it here yet:

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I have such high hopes for the Revolution...I recently went to a barbeque and we played roughly 12 hours of GCN party games :lol It's really funny hearing a bunch of 20 somethings talking about how Yoshi needs to get a correctly timed butt stomp.

 

[Slurpy]

Yeam koam, Im sure thats legit.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Soemone needs to make a .gif of Revolution spitting out money now.

 

[SnakeXs]

Soemone needs to make a .gif of Revolution spitting out money now.

Bonus points for involving Revmote in some applicable manner.

 

[MrSardonic]

Soemone needs to make a .gif of Revolution spitting out money now.

and PS3 shredding it

 

[ziran]

N64 was a showing of this philosophy, and it was the worst system they've ever made. ("Quality over quantity" was an early tagline of theirs).

i disagree. imo the gamecube is nintendo's worst console, i enjoyed the n64.

That's why PSOne and PS2 had by far the most high quality games of their respective gens, and why SNES did before that, NES before that... because third party support was great. It helps if you've got a great first party too, no doubt, but this is just bullshit tailormade for when you can't get more support.

i agree about the console with the most third party support having the most diverse and large catalogue but i disagree about it naturally having the most high quality games.

for me, this gen, each platform has had roughly the same number of quality titles, regardless of the amount of third party support or userbase size.

Therefore, I don't think it will apply at all as developers will be giving Revolution plenty of support.

maybe, but i wouldn't be shocked if revolution 3rd party support ends up being relatively small.

 

[jarosh]

I have a trackball mouse, and it controls perfectly. But it would be impossible to control a trackball with your thumb. I just played a game of Wolfenstein using my thumb only for aiming; got killed.

It wouldn't work, and Sony isn't that stupid

huh, what? HOW, if not with your thumb, do you control your trackball?

also, i've been using this trackball for years (with my tumb) and it works perfect for fps controls.

 

[MrSardonic]

also, i've been using this trackball for years (with my tumb) and it works perfect for fps controls.

you aim using the trackball? why?

 

[TheKingsCrown]

i disagree. imo the gamecube is nintendo's worst console, i enjoyed the n64.


i agree about the console with the most third party support having the most diverse and large catalogue but i disagree about it naturally having the most high quality games.

for me, this gen, each platform has had roughly the same number of quality titles, regardless of the amount of third party support or userbase size.


maybe, but i wouldn't be shocked if revolution 3rd party support ends up being relatively small.

Careful in terms of shocking statements. If Revo's price is low enough, its penetration is going to be high, mark my words.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Why isn't this topic stickied?

Because the mods hate Nintendo!

Spoiler

Amir0x you know I love you

 

[Mrbob]

Perhaps for you, or for PC gamers, but I'd imagine that the majority of console gamers and new gamers aren't going to care about playing videogames with a keyboard and mouse...especially when it comes to multiplayer.

Online my friend. Also offline I will be forced to use the gimped X360 analog setup for multiplayer. This isn't the N64 days anymore where 4 player offline multiplayer is the main draw.

Headstarts really mean nothing is someone provides a vastly superior interface. It doesn't actually matter whether Value and other PC developers make Rev games immediately or even in the future...what matters is the judgement on what controller provides the best FPS interface.

Yeah because history have proven what is best is always what wins out. And it is Valve, not Value.

The Rev gives us the best FPS aiming at the moment. However that doesn't guarantee it gives the best gaming experience. The experience comes down to what the developers offer. Playing a FPS with the X360 controller doesn't make the experience bad. It makes the aiming inferior. However juding from the topic I made on this subject, it seems like many people prefer the X360 pad for FPS games. I also don't understand how you can so easily downplay the best fps developers making X360 FPS games and not FPS games for Rev.

 

[Xrenity]

Got this from paladin over at the ign boards, surprised he didn't post it here yet:

Could they actually do that? Nintendo didn't pay them to invent a super efficient CPU for their own printers.

 

[[Nintex]]

Could they actually do that? Nintendo didn't pay them to invent a super efficient CPU for their own printers.

Nintendo still needs to print money with something.

 

[koam]

Why isn't this topic stickied?

Because it's always on top anyway

 

[jett]

...why the eff is this topic so big?

 

[Archie]

...why the eff is this topic so big?

Nintendo thread

 

[Blackcherry]

and there's a video coming soon. 100+ pages in the coming days

 

[SnakeXs]

and there's a video coming soon. 100+ pages in the coming days

Soon = when?

And, 71 pages. Woot.

 

[koam]

Time to make this thread 100 posts longer:

Looks like ONM isn't only going after activison, sega and ubisoft

"This month seven prominent developers have spoked to ONM in confidence about their Revolution projects - 12 games in total.
Unfortunately, we're not allowed to tell you which developers they are or what games they're working on- but believe on us when we say that the next few months will be very exciting."

 

[Xrenity]

...why the eff is this topic so big?

Because of people asking questions like these.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Time to make this thread 100 posts longer:

Looks like ONM isn't only going after activison, sega and ubisoft

Let the rampant speculation begin.

 

[superfly]

im so proud of my thread

 

[koam]

Wait, we can't have rampant speculation without the april 20th date floating around so here's more:

Metroid Prime Hunters edition out on 20 April

Hello, everyone. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news again, but issue three of Official Nintendo Magazine won't be in stores today. Instead, it will be on sale on 20 April.

The production problems we had with issue two messed up our schedule a bit, meaning issue three is running a week late too. Sadly, issue two had already gone to press with the '13 April' release date for issue three inside it before we found out about this latest delay.

Rest assured, though, that very good things come to those who wait. We've got an explosive six-page review of Metroid Prime Hunters, where we reveal everything you need to know about Samus Aran's latest adventure. We also lift the lid on LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy. It's like LEGO Star Wars, but based on the early Star Wars movies - we can't wait, and when you've read our in-depth preview, you won't be able to either.

Most importantly, we've also got a mammoth interview with Nintendo's creative guru, Shigeru Miyamoto. Find out what he has to say about the Revolution, Zelda and learning to swim...

On top of all this, we've also got reviews of Tetris DS and Trauma Center, and some helpful tips to get you through the long summer before the Revolution arrives. Oh, and three free gifts (yes, three). All this will be yours on 20 April.

Lee Editor, ONM

April 20th ftw

So far:
Nintendo Power = April 20th
ONM = April 20th
and GI promissed more info = April 20th

BUT Matt says nothing will happen on april 20th.. hehe

 

[Blackcherry]

Let the rampant speculation begin.

They visited SEGA studios at japan, that I know

 

[Magicpaint]

Wait, we can have rampant speculation without the april 20th date floating around so here's more:



April 20th ftw

A few subscribers already have a copy, and there's nothing particularly ground breaking or noteworthy in that issue...

 

[Archie]

What is ONM? Oficial Nintendo Magazine?

 

[Blackcherry]

Wait, we can't have rampant speculation without the april 20th date floating around so here's more:



April 20th ftw

So far:
Nintendo Power = April 20th
ONM = April 20th
and GI promissed more info = April 20th

BUT Matt says nothing will happen on april 20th.. hehe

Why those magazines are not leaked yet? No one got a idea when the stocks hit the retailers?

What is ONM? Oficial Nintendo Magazine?

http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/

edit: from the website

:O NP need to learn from them