RoadHazard
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Exactly what I thought when reading this. Let's hope it's not a big issue that's gonna make PS5s start dying in droves a year from now.
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[Gamers Nexus] Weak Design: PlayStation 5 Thermals, Power, & Noise Testing
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Exactly what I thought when reading this. Let's hope it's not a big issue that's gonna make PS5s start dying in droves a year from now.
EventHorizon
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One thing a lot of people are missing is that fan speed is not constant. If the PS5 was in a hotter room, the fan would spin faster to bring temps back down. The PS5 was at these temps while at the low end of its cooling capability. There is more to spare. It'd be an entirely different situation if the PS5 had these temps while the fan was already at its acceptable max limit.
Sony has done these tests and know what the temps are. That one mem temp is right at the edge because Sony allowed it to be there to keep noise low. It is more normal for shipping hardware today to be pushed to its limits. It's like how AMD CPUs now basically come pre-overclocked.
Sony has done these tests and know what the temps are. That one mem temp is right at the edge because Sony allowed it to be there to keep noise low. It is more normal for shipping hardware today to be pushed to its limits. It's like how AMD CPUs now basically come pre-overclocked.
Loxus
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Gamers Nexus is right to be concern about the memory temperature.
But with all the custom work I've seen done with the PS5, memory maybe slightly custom also.
They been testing the cooling for the PS5 for 2-3 years.
I'm pretty sure they know what temperature everything runs at, and was cool with the results.
Maybe the memory was meant to run the hot for a reason.
He did say the nand chips don't need cooling because they like to run hot.
Maybe for the PS5, the memory needs to run hot also, for it's current setup with speed in mind.
P.S.
Be prepared for "PS5 is running hot" to be trending from the Xbox side for the next few days.
But with all the custom work I've seen done with the PS5, memory maybe slightly custom also.
They been testing the cooling for the PS5 for 2-3 years.
I'm pretty sure they know what temperature everything runs at, and was cool with the results.
Maybe the memory was meant to run the hot for a reason.
He did say the nand chips don't need cooling because they like to run hot.
Maybe for the PS5, the memory needs to run hot also, for it's current setup with speed in mind.
P.S.
Be prepared for "PS5 is running hot" to be trending from the Xbox side for the next few days.
Md Ray
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They measured 200W.
Md Ray
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Lol I kinda agree.
TriSuit666
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Don't be naive. Companies work on the balance of probabilities. It will have been tested enough to secure the required certification versus cost to production.
I mean, a car company isn't being sued right now for allegedly lying about the environmental features of their products, right?
From personal experience of a friend who's house burnt down because of a fire caused by a faulty Xbox One power supply (it was the OG VCR Xbox One model), you probably should worry about overheating components in an enclosed cabinet.
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Lysandros
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I agree with the title being misleading, hope there isn't any ulterior motive behind it. Also, i didn't like his handling of state of art hardware at the beginning, it gives a feeling of low esteem for it.
TriSuit666
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GN does this to all the electronics they look at. It's meant to be comedy.
TheDude108
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I doubt Sony or Microsoft would want another RROD on their hands. Time will tell of course, but I'm not seeing anything concerning here. The components are all performing within rated limits.
Senua
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it remains to be seen i suppose!
EventHorizon
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While that is true. Things are different with cooling the PS5. Cooling was a MAJOR design point for the console. You can tell so just by the size of it. There is virtually no chance Sony doesn't already know about this, and if it was an issue, they would have increased fan speed to solve it.
Now there is one conspiracy theory does have some plausibility. Sony could be keeping fan speeds low now at launch to get good press from the low fan noise knowing they'll increase it later. Not saying that's going on, but at least that is more plausible than Sony having this easy to detect problem in a major feature and not knowing about it.
Kenpachii
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Why not just blow hot air into that PS5 and see what it does. Could very well mean when temps hit x amount the fan will just starts going far more RPM to compensate.
At the end of the day the chip is still connected towards the metal plate which means entire temp of the box will effect it.
At the end of the day the chip is still connected towards the metal plate which means entire temp of the box will effect it.
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FranXico
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Fan RPM profiles can and will be changed in the future, so it's a sensible thing to speculate about, hardly a conspiracy.
But I'd rather have a little bit of noise (not jet engine levels, though) coming from the system than have it overheat, let's be honest.
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Shaukdotdj
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Yes Xbox Series X is a great but late mid-gen refresh for all the old games I already played but has yet to throw a single punch in the arena of the next gen gaming claims.
Like at best its "samey" for the cross Gen titles that have come out so far with some minor performance analysis issues in favor of ps5. But nothing unique or special about the software, the controller or the O/S really has anyone talking about it.
Gamepass needs to be treated as platform agnostic to a degree, it is not the sole domain of the Series X by a long shot. Meaning, nobody has a compelling reason to go out and pay $500 for a console to access a service that runs on Android devices, last gen xboxes, and PC.
Like maybe if I DIDN'T like PS exclusives OR already have a gaming PC I might be able to bring myself to care about Xbox right now but... What am I gonna do with it really?
cebri.one
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Bullshit, some AMD cards with GDDR6 exceed 100º in normal operations.
Why 110-Degree Temps Are Normal for AMD's Radeon 5700, 5700 XT - ExtremeTech
AMD's new 5700 XT and 5700 can hit higher temps than some people are comfortable with, but the company changed how and where it measures temperatures with Navi.
www.extremetech.com
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PropellerEar
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Rubber mallet to open the side panels 
But otherwise very competent thermals test.
But otherwise very competent thermals test.
Blitzmangoman
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Was a really good video.
Hopefully Sony listens and gives the memory chips their much needed cooling in a future revision.
Hopefully Sony listens and gives the memory chips their much needed cooling in a future revision.
Werewolfgrandma
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Possible they knew they would be upping fan speed soon but wanted it to be known as quiet so had it lower than actually planned for launch?
FunkMiller
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Youtuber exceeding in blatant click baitery.
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Md Ray
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Are you talking about the thread title? I wrote it as it was in the video title.
Bryank75
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People really think that Sony have not tested the thermal limits and estimated the life of each part with regular usage?
Of course there will be failure rates and what we have seen during launch is perfectly within expectations.
The naivety of some people is extraordinary.
There is also the fact that he is not taking the temperature of the GDDR6 itself, it's indirect....
Of course there will be failure rates and what we have seen during launch is perfectly within expectations.
The naivety of some people is extraordinary.
There is also the fact that he is not taking the temperature of the GDDR6 itself, it's indirect....
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Ev1L AuRoN
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The fan curve reacts to the temp. Maybe Sony is pushing acoustics to the point that the components operate hotter, but if the temp get dangerous the fan speed up. I wouldn't worry to much about it. The system is working within spec, and Sony most likely has sensors on the chips and control the airflow as the system require.
FunkMiller
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Sorry dude. I'm having 'a morning'. Post altered.
Portugeezer
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Surprised it is supposedly cooler without the plates. That can't be right, what is the point of the side plates otherwise?
Handy Fake
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Surely it's not the RAM overheating that would be producing the artifacting and would just cause a shutdown instead?
That being the case every PS5 would be shutting down?
So either a) the casing is hotter than the RAM and the RAM is fine or b) the PS5 engineering team knows the thermal limits of the architecture they designed and that it's fine?
That being the case every PS5 would be shutting down?
So either a) the casing is hotter than the RAM and the RAM is fine or b) the PS5 engineering team knows the thermal limits of the architecture they designed and that it's fine?
prinz_valium
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Bullshit, some AMD cards with GDDR6 exceed 100º in normal operations.
Why 110-Degree Temps Are Normal for AMD's Radeon 5700, 5700 XT - ExtremeTech
AMD's new 5700 XT and 5700 can hit higher temps than some people are comfortable with, but the company changed how and where it measures temperatures with Navi.
That's GPU and not DRAM
95°
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cebri.one
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GDDR6X has the same recommended OP temps and on the 3080s/90s memory reaches over 104 º C. It is speculated that GDDR6 and 6X can reach Tj of 110º before degrading with 120º being the point of failure.
I'd be extremely surprised if Sony hasn't stressed tested the console to death and has talked with their RAM providers to make sure they are operating within the margins.
This is just another fanboy wet dreams.
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Md Ray
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The system shuts itself down when the APU overheats, I know this for sure. And from their tests, the backside of the APU's temps are in the 70 C region. Which is perfectly normal.
As for the memory, I don't know if RAM overheating triggers system shutdown. At worst you'll likely see those artifacting, but IMO the system won't shutdown.
Papacheeks
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A complex? Or maybe they want to do the best tests they can?
They point out how shitty others like austin evans and the likes are when it comes to being technical in their tests.
Nothing wrong in being prideful knowing you went all the way with your tests.
You have a complex as seen in previous thread and it's now clear to me.
DonJuanSchlong
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Lol, ps5 is now full fledged GPU for comparison now?! Big difference, and should not be compared, but you knew that already. Dishonestly at it's best. Tsk tsk tskPeopl eneed to look at other trests to put things in perspective
Hendrick's
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That's a ridiculous notion. Risk overheating failures for awhile to fool people into thinking the console is quiet and then crank the fan up? Not saying they won't up the fan speed, but no way they would do this intentionally.
DonJuanSchlong
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That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Similar to Apple batterygate issues to try and cover up flaws in design choice.
Md Ray
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The APU is fine and "cool". It's the memory module that's being suboptimally cooled. Something very easily they can fix as Steve suggested by increasing the thermal pad size between the module and the steel plate.
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geordiemp
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The RAM would downclock before it shuts down above 110C or whatever limit is set on the Tj
Makoto-Yuki
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gamers nexus don't fuck around. good watch.
very concerning the memory is running hot. will be interested to see how these consoles hold up. you don't want your memory running hot. sony will probably need to make a hardware revision to improve airflow. if there is a -5C difference by just slightly modifying the rear panel then i think they really should do that.
very concerning the memory is running hot. will be interested to see how these consoles hold up. you don't want your memory running hot. sony will probably need to make a hardware revision to improve airflow. if there is a -5C difference by just slightly modifying the rear panel then i think they really should do that.
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Handy Fake
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Was just reading that about GDDR6 aye.
hououinkyouma00
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This. They make good videos but they are full of themselves and come across a little PCMR
Senua
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geordiemp
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No they would up the fan by 10 % to counter the air flow resistance of the panels.
3080 the memory is 105 deg C at Tj if you want some perspective, which is unlikely.
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Insane Metal
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Holy fuck, 95º with 22º ambient temp is bad. Like, REAL bad. Maybe that's why there are some people having trouble with PS5s after all. That's not good.
In time, GN is one of, if not THE best tech channel on YT.
Hezekiah
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The level of detail he goes into sets him apart from most other YouTube channels.
Definitely a play-at-1.5x speed type channel though.
captainraincoat
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The ps5 runs pretty hot
i had a gaming headset dongle in the rear of my console and it managed to warp the casing and all the cables at the rear were hot to touch
people that have this console in entertainment units are gonna learn the hard way in about 6 months...you need open space for this console
im not gonna comment on my thoughts of the design as it seems to trigger some folk here but there were certainly other options
The memory chips are pretty easy to fix in a revision...they just stick on thermal pads
interested to see the series x cooling washout
I have both the ps5 and a series x in a bedroom and it literally heats the room up
i had a gaming headset dongle in the rear of my console and it managed to warp the casing and all the cables at the rear were hot to touch
people that have this console in entertainment units are gonna learn the hard way in about 6 months...you need open space for this console
im not gonna comment on my thoughts of the design as it seems to trigger some folk here but there were certainly other options
The memory chips are pretty easy to fix in a revision...they just stick on thermal pads
interested to see the series x cooling washout
I have both the ps5 and a series x in a bedroom and it literally heats the room up
M1chl
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One chip or whole memory subsystem? Anyway this is interesting, haven't known this about memory chips.
Still has nothing on this man : D
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Senua
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Get that man some cocaine, on the double!
geordiemp
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Holy hyperbole batman
LordOfChaos
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Micron, Samsung, and Hynix give a max RAM temperature recommendation if 85c, with some industrial RAM going up to 95C, GDDR6 up to 100C.
Without knowing the design point, it's only a problem if it becomes a problem. And it's interesting that only 1 of 8 chips ran hot.
Without knowing the design point, it's only a problem if it becomes a problem. And it's interesting that only 1 of 8 chips ran hot.
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