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Gamespot GOTY 2005 is...

Dr.Guru of Peru said:
AS LONG AS BF2 DOESNT WIN
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:lol

And Teepo, kiss me where it stinks. These types of games should facilitate growth, not hinder it. I'm not an impatient gamer, never have been. But in this case, I found myself returning to better and much older FPS's. And I'm sure as hell not alone in this.
 
As of now, I have 4 weapon unlocks, and I don't think I've put in over 20 hours into the game. So you definitely don't need to dedicate your life to get an unlock (which aren't even much better).
 
I've played lots of console games this year, including RE4.

RE4...

It's not even in my top 20.

Sometimes I just don't understand.
 
Matlock said:
I've played lots of console games this year, including RE4.

RE4...

It's not even in my top 20.

Sometimes I just don't understand.
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You're just different
 
Goreomedy said:
And the beginning is the least impressive when it comes to what visual delights the game has in store.



The game just isn't fun for newcomers. The chain of command system rewards dedicated players (and by dedicated, I mean people who have the time to devote 8 hours a fucking day to this shit) and gives them an unfair weapon advantage even on top of their refined skills. Spawn, die. Spawn, die. Spawn, die. Spawn, die. "Get off the server, noob!" some gleeful 12 year old with a thousand hours under his belt screams in my ear.

It doesn't help that servers can't be optimized to exclude certain ranks for a true Newbie gathering(at least, not that I've seen). Servers titled "Noob Only" are just bait to veterans who want to rack up 100 kills for a screenshot to show off on their clan's forum.

It would have helped, in a tutorial sense, if single player(with borked AI) wasn't so pointless.

Don't get me wrong. I welcome a steep challenge, and respect reward systems. But for me, BF2 just didn't find the right balance. Not even close. I thought for the longest time I just wasn't finding the right server.

But when a developer, like Splash Damage, points out all these flaws, and they are so enlightened as to suggest remedies that both regulars and newcomers can agree on, it gives my opinion weight.
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Xbox Live will fix all that. I didn't know anything about this game other then a friend dryly commenting that I 'just get it'. Considering all the talk, I went to see the Gamespot Review and I'm glad I did. Wow. Except for maybe the excessive load times, LIVE will pretty much fix all the gripes the Gamespot Editor had as well.
 
Does it specificy which version of the game, or its just mutliplatform?

I don't really like that, I mean, the games came out like 10 months apart, and have different content.
 
Alright, now that I've got some time.


"The game just isn't fun for newcomers. The chain of command system rewards dedicated players (and by dedicated, I mean people who have the time to devote 8 hours a fucking day to this shit) and gives them an unfair weapon advantage even on top of their refined skills. Spawn, die. Spawn, die. Spawn, die. Spawn, die. "Get off the server, noob!" some gleeful 12 year old with a thousand hours under his belt screams in my ear."


I touched on this earlier, you hardly have to be dedicated to get any sort of rank and the weapon unlocks provide little-to-no advantage. I think they're more like alternatives if you're on a side that doesn't have a weapon you'd like. there's not much I can say about the refined skill part, as that's true. People who've played longer than you will probably kill you moreso than you them. But that has nothing to do with what weapon they're using.



"It doesn't help that servers can't be optimized to exclude certain ranks for a true Newbie gathering(at least, not that I've seen). Servers titled "Noob Only" are just bait to veterans who want to rack up 100 kills for a screenshot to show off on their clan's forum."

Higher rank doesn't mean higher skill. Higher rank just means they've played longer and that definitely doesn't denote any sort of skill.



"Don't get me wrong. I welcome a steep challenge, and respect reward systems. But for me, BF2 just didn't find the right balance. Not even close. I thought for the longest time I just wasn't finding the right server."

I still think you haven't found a right server because the reward system is vaguely a reward system at all.


"But when a developer, like Splash Damage, points out all these flaws, and they are so enlightened as to suggest remedies that both regulars and newcomers can agree on, it gives my opinion weight."

No, just because you appeal to authority doesn't mean your opinion has any weight. None of the problems you've listed (mostly the weapon unlocks) provide any of this "unfair advantage" you speak of and even if they did, getting said weapon unlocks requires a minimal amount of time to get even one. (Which if you play one class, is really all you need)
 
Suburban Cowboy said:
re4 is the game of the generation imo
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If you mean "overrated game of the generation," then I agree. I mean, don't get me wrong--it's a good game. Game of the year, though? I honestly don't get why everyone thinks it's that good. It's not even the best horror game of the year.
 
Ben Sones said:
If you mean "overrated game of the generation," then I agree. I mean, don't get me wrong--it's a good game. Game of the year, though? I honestly don't get why everyone thinks it's that good. It's not even the best horror game of the year.
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what's with this overrated talk bullshit? I mean the game revived a dead series, defined the action genre (along with DMC3) is blast to play (I have finished the game 9 times more than any other game) have incredible graphics (best of the gen IMO) awesome music and I could go on and on and on.

I don't really understand why people say RE4 is overrated. :\
 
every game ever that gets really popular among either casuals, critics or hardcore is gonna be considered 'overrated total' by someone.

but in the case of Resident Evil 4...

...they're all wrong.
 
John Harker said:
Does it specificy which version of the game, or its just mutliplatform?

I don't really like that, I mean, the games came out like 10 months apart, and have different content.
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Its also in the video they put up, its specified as the GC version.

But thats exected. Another year, another GC GOTY. *





*Why has nobody else brought that up?
 
Cool... I've been in a slump this year with finishing games, and RE4 is no exception, but this thread might've finally given me the push to do so. It's one of the few GC games that I still own, because I think subconsciously, I always knew I'd go back to it.
 
Overrated ftl.
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Not really. I havent played nay console game that tops it. Very few games like this are ever made.


Goreomedy said:
Don't get me wrong. I welcome a steep challenge, and respect reward systems. But for me, BF2 just didn't find the right balance. Not even close. I thought for the longest time I just wasn't finding the right server.
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They changed the rankings and many things since you last played ;) You only need roughly 100 points global for your first weapon unlock. Although IMO thats the wrong reason to play the game Goreomedy, as stats come last. Play the game for fun not the stat system like many MKDS players.

And Teepo, kiss me where it stinks. These types of games should facilitate growth, not hinder it. I'm not an impatient gamer, never have been. But in this case, I found myself returning to better and much older FPS's. And I'm sure as hell not alone in this.
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Whatever man. You arent really in a position to knock the game and niether is Guru.
 
Himuro said:
Because it's a good game, but not as great as people are saying it is. People act as if RE4 is a revolution in gaming or something when it brings nothing, absolutely nothing new to the table.
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heh, but a game doesn't have to be totally innovative to be considered great. Suikoden II didn't bring anything new to the table yet I consider the game to be one of the best RPGs ever ;)
 
Himuro said:
It's also doesn't get BORING AS FUCK halfway through the game like RE4.
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When does Re4 ever get boring? :lol The game has next to no flaws. This as good as a game can get for critics.
 
Dr.Guru of Peru said:
Seeing as I've been playing the BF games a tad bit longer than you, yes I am.
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That doesnt give you any credibility especially judging by your performance in the Bf2 thread. :lol

At best i can only call you a troll.
 
Dr.Guru of Peru said:
Whatever. My opinion is still>yours.
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Thats the only thing you've been trying to say in every thread. Few people think BF is the worst fps game right now. You're one of them and we heard you already the first 150 times. :lol
 
Himuro said:
I think you are wrong there. Suikoden II's plot is what was new to the table.

Read my edit.



Once you get to the castle. The town was fucking awesome.
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eh what? Suikoden II plot while extremely well done is nothing new, country A invades country B... a small rebel faction consisting mostly of citizens from country B decides to take back their country from country A. sure there a lot of subplots thrown in, but that's basically the plot.

I like the castle a lot more than the town my least favorite part was the last one. The castle was like a throwback to the classic resident evils settings (meaning HUGE stage with lots of puzzles) love every minute of it ^_^
 
Himuro said:
It was the way they did it. How many japanese rpgs aren't about saving the world but are about political intrigue? How many Japanese rpgs out there do you know have over 100 characters and you name pretty much HALF of the cast because they're so damn memorable?
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well yes, but that's not new because it was done in Suikoden I, but yeah I see your point Suikoden is unique for those things you mentioned.

but RE4 is unique too! :(
 
Himuro said:
Since I fucking HATE every RE aside from 4, I guess there's a reason right there. RE stands as the one series I never understood why it was ever so popular because it was so shitty.
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man, how could you NOT like protecting Ashley while popping motherfuckers head with the Sniper from a distance. I loved that part so much.

RE4 has the best escorting parts ever in a game I actually enjoy escorting Ashley :lol
 
RE4 does a ton of new stuff via quality and direction. I think it deserves recognition for not trying to stress the player in the wrong way alone.
 
RE4 drags a bit. I'd replay it more if it was about the same length of 1-3. The middle part with you chasing the pirate midget just goes on and on. What is up with Capcom insisting on putting in such goofy, over the top villains like him? There was crossdressing Alfred, the leech guy in a white cape and now Salazar. They don't fit with the rest of the story. Who actually believes that Luis guy would be a scientist or takes a midget as a threat?
 
Anyanka said:
RE4 drags a bit. I'd replay it more if it was about the same length of 1-3. The middle part with you chasing the pirate midget just goes on and on. What is up with Capcom insisting on putting in such goofy, over the top villains like him? There was crossdressing Alfred, the leech guy in a white cape and now Salazar. They don't fit with the rest of the story. Who actually believes that Luis guy would be a scientist or takes a midget as a threat?
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Story was the weakest thing but the scenes and scenarios were awesome. The bit all around that cage bit was just awesome. :D
 
Anyanka said:
RE4 drags a bit. I'd replay it more if it was about the same length of 1-3. The middle part with you chasing the pirate midget just goes on and on. What is up with Capcom insisting on putting in such goofy, over the top villains like him? There was crossdressing Alfred, the leech guy in a white cape and now Salazar. They don't fit with the rest of the story. Who actually believes that Luis guy would be a scientist or takes a midget as a threat?
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REs stories are like B-grade movies meaning that they are not to be taken seriously if you want a survival horror game with a good story go with Silent Hill.

Himuro said:
I don't want to protect no bitch. I hate that in games.
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but that was your mission in RE4 :lol
 
Well yeah but RE1-2 worked as a B sci-fi/horror. It was grounded in reality. I could buy that it was all a science experiment gone wrong. Introducing a researcher who wears a white cape is just weird though. He looks like he came from a Final Fantasy game.
 
Error2k4 said:
what's with this overrated talk bullshit? I mean the game revived a dead series, defined the action genre (along with DMC3) is blast to play (I have finished the game 9 times more than any other game) have incredible graphics (best of the gen IMO) awesome music and I could go on and on and on.

I don't really understand why people say RE4 is overrated. :\
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Because we can have our own opinions and might not enjoy it as much as you. Civ> RE4. RE4 was good...but not GOTY
 
Interestingly, I just started playing RE4 PS2 recently since nothing I've purchased since then has really sparked any interest. This after having finished the GC version twice.

I like the widescreen and it seems there's some new item placement like spinels here and there? And I harpooned some large bass for health after the fight with the first boss in the lake. Don't remember doing that in the GC version. On the downside, some of the textures are pretty muddy but no biggie. And the control using the DS2 seems a bit less responsive, although it could be my familiarity with the wavebird.

In any case, I'm back to enjoying RE4 again so it's all good.
 
RE4 threads make me so happy. They remind me of the GOTGen and how fucking awesome it is. The incredibles bosses, the beautiful setups, the weapons, the art, the graphics, the music, the FUCKING PILE DRIVER, the unlockables, the reviving of a great series.....Goddammn...I'm gonna go start a new game. Time for my 8th run-through. For me, that is unheard of (next in terms of this gen in terms of clear is Metroid Prime with 3)
 
RE stands as the one series I never understood why it was ever so popular because it was so shitty.
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Kingdom Hearts stands as the one game I never understood why it sold that much compare to poor gameplay. I thought only people who like disney character will buy it :lol .
 
Resident Evil has gone downhill since 4. Yeah, some will say it changed for the better, but it's just not the same anymore. I recently played Onimusha 1 again and almost cried because I missed tank controls/pre-rendered backgrounds.
 
Reilly said:
Resident Evil has gone downhill since 4. Yeah, some will say it changed for the better, but it's just not the same anymore. I recently played Onimusha 1 again and almost cried because I missed tank controls/pre-rendered backgrounds.
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how could RE go downhill since 4 when no RE game(at least of the main series) hasn't been release after RE4.
 
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