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Gamespot serving up FUD-Pie, PS3 style
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chibcicylist
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Reilo said:
The article was about the PS3.
Reilo said:
Well, I take it that Gamespot was talking about the effect of HD players in general and compared it to the strategy of the PS2 and DVD, which Sony is trying to replicate. I don't think they are even comparing the HD-DVDs and Bluray. You're the one insinuating it.
BenjaminBirdie
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reilo said:
How does that make Blu-Ray successful? It's beating HD-DVD but what is it, about 1/741389645th the size of DVD's install base?
mckmas8808
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Don't they know that the PS3 is doing more for the Blu-ray format, than the PS2 did for the DVD format?
I thought everybody knew that.
I thought everybody knew that.
davepoobond
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chibcicylist said:
where're the articles about the wii and x360 then?
BenjaminBirdie said:
I mean, not that it changes that particular figure, but Blu-Ray is installing faster than DVD did.
So not really, but kinda.
chibcicylist said:
Yes, but they haven't written an article criticizing the other consoles. That's the point. No console is perfect. To be solely focusing on PS3s perceived 'faults' without doing likewise for the competition is FUD. All being equal, right?
I'm bemused as to why this counts as "FUD" (surely an overused acronym?). The complaints discussed are several concerns that many people would have about the PS3 depending on their circumstances and preferences. It would be just as easy for a similarly reasoned article to criticise any other console at a similar stage of its lifecycle. For the PS3, people should expect this level of scrutiny due to the strong successes Sony has had in the past decade.
It's not worth getting worked up over.
It's not worth getting worked up over.
chibcicylist
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davepoobond said:
Well, both systems are doing relatively well. But that's not the point I was really trying to make anyway.
OokieSpookie
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It is not FUD, it is just more short cut wannabe journalism where either by laziness, stupidity or just pure ineptitude they do not bother to even try and give full information or to even try to know things that anyone who takes ten minutes to search the web know.
All and all I am used to half stories where they may bring some good points to the table but then they lose me by just half assing it.
All and all I am used to half stories where they may bring some good points to the table but then they lose me by just half assing it.
PepsimanVsJoe
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And this is where I jump in with my tired old "But Sony is going to win anyway so I don't know why everyone is all up in arms about this."
BenjaminBirdie
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
So, small, pretty, hungry fish:: extraordinarily large aquarium?
I don't doubt that Sony's gambit has earned them a victory over HD-DVD, I just don't think any next gen movie format is ever going to take over DVD in the PS3's lifetime.
chibcicylist
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
I think you will be better off using independent numbers rather than quoting the company promoting it.
OokieSpookie
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BenjaminBirdie said:
:lol
Is this going to be the new xbot mantra?
"Well..yeah it is kicking the crap out of HD.....but um....DVD! Yeah it isnt outselling DVD...."
BenjaminBirdie said:
There are more standard definition TVs sold right now than HDTVs. Does that make HDTVs a failure?
Again, not trying to derail the topic, but considering that nearly everyone wrote off Blu-Ray less than 3 months ago and the way it is doing now is worth noting. To call it a 'failure' this early on in its lifetime is the same type of approach the writers took when writing that article.
chibcicylist
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OokieSpookie said:
Just for the record, the Wiitardss have been using this far longer than either Sonythings and Xbots. And we're right
OokieSpookie
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chibcicylist said:
Go to any of the av forums, go to any of the sites like hidefdigest.com and you will hear the same thing.
Judging by your post history I do not expect you to though.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Well, that's not really the point argued in the article. The issue is whether or not this PS has had the same effect on the format it was pushing as the last PS and its format...I think in terms of percentages it has been very successful.
Will an HD format "take over" DVD? No, probably not. I do think it can still be very successful.
And plus I want to make a "IT PRINTS MONEY" gif with blu-ray discs coming out of Howard Stringer's mouth.
mckmas8808
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BenjaminBirdie said:
But does it have to? I mean can't Blu-ray live beside DVD? What if by 2010 Blu-ray has 40% market share that year, while DVD has 60%?
BenjaminBirdie
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OokieSpookie said:
Don't call me an Xbot. It's not a "new mantra". I've been saying the same thing for over a year.
Christ, but you know someone is on shaky ground when they drop the X-Word.
chibcicylist
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OokieSpookie said:
That neutralizes my point how exactly?
OokieSpookie
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mckmas8808 said:
It will not matter because it is Sony.
If HD was winning right now you would be hearing a different story.
The venom that was thrown by the HD-DVD fans made most of the stuff you see on here between xbox, nintendo , and sony fans look like a ride on the merry go round.
BenjaminBirdie
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reilo said:
I don't think it's a failure. It's just doesn't strike me as a particularly fruitful long term endeavor, as I've believed for a long time that digital movie distribution will catch on long before HD movie have a chance to supercede DVDs.
mckmas8808
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chibcicylist said:
Chib just to let you know, blu-ray has a 67% marker share in the high def movie area this year. There are figures in that article.
PepsimanVsJoe
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This thread delivers:
BenjaminBirdie
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PepsimanVsJoe said:This thread delivers:
(Agreed.)
mckmas8808
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BenjaminBirdie said:
That could be true. But I have to ask, are you talking about HD digital distribution? And do you think people will just not want to buy disc anymore?
chibcicylist
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mckmas8808 said:
My point was that if you're gonna use something to back your numbers up about DVD(NOT HDDVD) versus high def Bluray, don't use an article that uses quotes and marketing cheerleading from a company manufacturing it. Use other legitimate sources.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Egh, quit baiting me. Different topic for a different day... let's say it all together: DIFFERENT TOPIC FOR A DIFFERENT DAY!!!
:lol
All I will say is this: People are far too stupid to even turn on their TV most of the time to figure out how to download a movie over the internets. Besides, stores like Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, Best Buy, etc aren't going ANYWHERE.
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Zaptruder said:
In what way?
davepoobond
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chibcicylist said:
not compared to the iPod.
Segata Sanshiro
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mckmas8808 said:
I dunno. How's that going for the music industry?
Naturally BD is growing faster than DVD. DVD wasn't Trojan-horsed in anything for the first three years it was around. BD is a smart move for Sony on the whole, it's going to make them a lot of money, even if digital distribution cuts it off at the knees in a few years. I can't help but think they really never wanted to lose their video game market to do so, though.
But we've all been over and over the topic of Bluray being included in the PS3. It's something that annoyed me, because it said to me that Sony wasn't thinking like a video game company. Home and LBP give me faith that they are back on the right track when it comes to that.
chibcicylist
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davepoobond said:
I don't want to repeat the whole PSP vs Ipod thing just a few ages ago so hush:lol
PepsimanVsJoe
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Zaptruder said:
I most certainly am.
Last night BD called and said he was going to kill my mother. I tell you it's not safe being an Xbot anymore.
I'd switch camps but I hate HOME too much so eh.
I think downloadable games on PC/XBL/PSN/VC have a better chance of taking over retail games before downloadable movies take over retail. Pretty slim pickings for both imo.BenjaminBirdie said:
But anyways, why must we drop the xbot/sbot/nbot names? Shits annoying, please stop. :/
^not aimed at anyone specifically, just saying.
mckmas8808
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Segata Sanshiro said:
CD sales are down, but do you honestly think they are down enough for them to stop making CDs altogether? :lol
Seriously just because some now sales 600,000 units instead of 900,000 units doesn't mean doom and gloom
contaygious
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gamespot is right though. sony needs to get basic tools to developers and basic online features like messages without leaving games before worrying about all this HOME stuff.
ps3 doesn't even have a recently played list and if a game dev wants to do their own it resets after each time the console is shut down------STUPID
ps3 doesn't even have a recently played list and if a game dev wants to do their own it resets after each time the console is shut down------STUPID
chibcicylist
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mckmas8808 said:
Well, it could be the VHS of the next few years. Quality is okay. Not terrible and not spectacular but it means we can get porn on demand and faster than ever before*. In the privacy of your own home.
*edit: for the mainstream. The Joe six packs that are too stupid to relaize you can get free porn online and still rents videos. I think bandwidth now is okay, but it needs to be a bit better and faster to actually be useful to download DVD sized stuff in less than two hours. Less than one hour is ideal in my perfect world.
BenjaminBirdie
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mckmas8808 said:
I think people will always want to buy discs. I said this like what over a year ago, but I think that the popularity of TV on DVD has kind of changed the landscape of home video in a significant way. People have made a commitment to the DVD format in a way that wasn't possible in VHS, and it also came at a somewhat premium cost (most box sets are about 40-50 bucks on the average). I think the best selling stuff on HD discs will be showcase titles, much like when you went to your rich friend's house in 1991, his Dad didn't have the Criterion version of Repulsion on LaserDisc, he had Goldeneye. I think for a good couple of years, it's going to cater to that niche. I think if you were to survey HDTV owners as to where they got their HD content, HDTV cable or satellite boxes would be the primary source by a large margin, as there's very little necessary investment.
But then, I really have no idea what those numbers are actually like. Just guessing.
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mckmas8808 said:
I think that they are going to push this quicker because of piracy. I would always perfer a digital copy of something, but my stance on that isn't concrete. I mean, I have a ton of XBLA games that are stored on a hard drive. I paid 49.99 for Trackmania United and then downloaded the installer. However, if the next consoles came with an ungodly amount of hard drive space for games and no disc drive, I don't think it'd bother me that much. If that is what it takes for gaming to continue to prosper, I'll do it. So, I think digital distribution is what all of the various forms of media will do.
Segata Sanshiro
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mckmas8808 said:
I was merely pointing out that the physical media is not quite as important as we once thought. The actual attrition is of little consquence to the point I was making, but it's worth noting that when an old format's sales are going down, and a new format's sales are skyrocketing, that usually shows a change is taking place.
mckmas8808
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contaygious said:
I could have sworn some games on my PS3 had a recently played list. *thinks*
Sony did announce tools at GDC. But most ignore that because its a developer only kind of thing, I think. Either that or Home/LBP drowned out the noise from those tools. Online features will come I'm sure of it. Friends list access in game should be coming in 1.6 firmware coming on the 23rd IIRC.contaygious said: