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Opinion GameSpot: Seven Years In, Phil Spencer Has Succeeded Immensely In Helping Xbox Turn Things Around

Dusktildawn48

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Lmao turned what around smdh I don't knock anyone's hustle but damn this company can really talk a good game still won't get my money but hey they got enough suckers to buy into their bullshit so their good I guess.
Holy shit you're so salty.
 

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J Allard was amazing. Where is he now? They should fire Phill and get Allard backs.

The golden days of Xbox with the Xbox 360 were thanks to him and Moore. Sure, they fucked it up with the RROD thing, but trowing 1 billion to the trash seems like chump change when you compare it to buying fucking Bethesda for 7 billion, mixer, discord...

Phill is like the representation of Xbox mediocrity at its finest. He's just a pr guy that doesn't do shit, it represents the stagnation of Xbox. What does he does in his lack of innovation? He buys stuff. Any fucking monkey can throw billions at the problem though.

You say he has 7 years there? What has he accomplished? 7 years is a long time. Just look at Nintendo for example, when Iwata came along it wasn't just Nintendo that felt the change, the whole industry felt it.
 
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He's made the xbox desirable again (to normal people who aren't fanboys or previous customers they have disenfranchised). I'd say given where they were in 2013 and the subsequent years that's a massive achievement. It's not just a magic wand where you can suddenly do everything at once, and it's also not instant. Xbox are seeing the fruits of a long term vision starting to take hold.

I say 'starting to take hold', because they aren't quite there yet and there are some customers who they have lost forever as @Boss Mog describes. It's not been perfect and there have been harsh lessons along the way. They really need those first party IPs to deliver and they are still at least a couple years out, and we don't really know what to expect from them yet.

Him and his team have done well to arrest the slide, get backing to continue the brand, make the strong acquisitions they have and generate a list of titles that although not delivered have promise. I think you have to respect that, whether you love PS5 or not. It's too early to say what this looks like until ~5 years and we have numbers of units sold, increase in gamepass subs etc. but right now the XSX is sold out which is their flagship console. That's from being dead in the water.
What's desirable about Xbox? And no, gamepass doesn't count.
 

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And what games were those may I ask
Demon's souls and Astros playroom.

Unless you mean the Xbox games and that's a long list, outriders, every fps halo game, gears 5, Skyrim after the update, hitman 3, asscreed Valhalla, immortal Fenix rising. There's a lot more but I'd have to go check and I'm too lazy for that.
 

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isn't this the guy who promised things like cloud destruction in Crackdown and Minecraft hololens on xbox one?
 

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So what's the point of buying a PlayStation when the exclusives are coming to PC?
There won't be a point to buy a PS5 either. That's why people are mad with Jim Ryan. At least the games aren't coming on PC on day one like with Gamepass and microsoft games. So you could buy a PlayStation to not having to wait.
 
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There won't be a point to buy a PS5 either. That's why people are mad with Jim Ryan. At least the games aren't coming on PC on day one like with Gamepass and microsoft games. So you could buy a PlayStation to not having to wait.
And for the people who can't afford a PC, or can't find the parts?
 

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Phil Spencer has taken over gaming. He is the chosen one.


It's too bad the Matrix 2 and 3 were dogshit.
 

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Demon's souls and Astros playroom.

Unless you mean the Xbox games and that's a long list, outriders, every fps halo game, gears 5, Skyrim after the update, hitman 3, asscreed Valhalla, immortal Fenix rising. There's a lot more but I'd have to go check and I'm too lazy for that.
U can play AC and Immortal on ps5 too.
 
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So what's the point of buying a PlayStation when the exclusives are coming to PC?

I didnt know literally every single exclusive is coming day and date on PC same as PS5... if that does actually happen then seems like PC will be even better than Xbox and PS5.. why even own either console at that point... PC almost already makes having an XBOX pointless tbh

If its like Horizon was...I suppose PC only players can enjoy each exclusive 3 years after its out lol
 
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I mean Game Pass definitely has it's pluses & they're in better shape than when he took over but I think the biggest success he's had with Xbox was convincing Nadella to open up the piggy bank as it were

I'm more hopeful for the future of Xbox first-party than I've been in a long time but I'm also cautious about it because while it looks bright it's not like we haven't been promised this before only for things to end up disappointing
 

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I see this overly technical argument all the time. When talking about exclusives a LOT of people are referring to consoles only. It's churlish not to acknowledge that.

If a PC game is ported to PS5 exclusively, then it's a Playstation exclusive as far as the massive throng of console gamers are concerned.

It really does not matter where it launches first.
The game in question was launched ~5 months earlier on PC, porting it to XSX doesn't make it a launch exclusive.
 
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There won't be a point to buy a PS5 either. That's why people are mad with Jim Ryan. At least the games aren't coming on PC on day one like with Gamepass and microsoft games. So you could buy a PlayStation to not having to wait.
Or you could buy a PS4 and play them there.

Gamepass doesn’t count, but cross gen exclusives do?

Why should people not talk about one of the systems best selling points to appease you?

In reality neither of these consoles have anything to write home about, and we are all playing bc games waiting for next gen to start.
 
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Already a legend by creating GamePass!
We’ve been hearing that story for years already. They need to deliver the first party games, now. Has any console in history launched with the first entire year having zero first party exclusives? How can anyone be proud of that?
This is true. They have definitely made missteps especially with what happened to Halo!
 
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Just seeing the Xbox talk and threads being made here, shows there has been a monumental shift in the last couple years.

I used to feel like the only fan in a sea of blue, you can see the same people changing attitudes now, the Sony stalwarts will deny it, or call it astroturfing, but you can feel the momentum swinging a bit.
 
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It launched ~ 5 months earlier on PC.
That's a fact, what you say is fanfiction.
Well good thing the Xbox is not a pc it is a console and Gears Tactics launched with the XSX|S consoles. Which contradicts the statement that the system did not launch with 1st party software. The fan fiction is trying to deny reality. You might not know this but all Xbox games are on PC too.
 

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Well good thing the Xbox is not a pc it is a console and Gears Tactics launched with the XSX|S consoles. Which contradicts the statement that the system did not launch with 1st party software. The fan fiction is trying to deny reality. You might not know this but all Xbox games are on PC too.
It does not, it's an old ass game and a port.
Not exclusive launch SW for XsX.
Your fanfiction won't change this.
 

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It does not, it's an old ass game and a port.
Not exclusive launch SW for XsX.
Your fanfiction won't change this.
So if they held off for a few months it would be ok, meanwhile Sackboy, and Miles are great PS5 exclusives?

What a fucking joke.
 
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And for the people who can't afford a PC, or can't find the parts?
It's not only on PC. I can have gamepass on any android phone, and acorrsing to Phill, we will have a browser version soon enough. So any device with a web browser will be able to use gamepass soon.
 

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It's not only on PC. I can have gamepass on any android phone, and acorrsing to Phill, we will have a browser version soon enough. So any device with a web browser will be able to use gamepass soon.
Imagine using the PS5 web browser to play the Show on Gamepass through streaming like PSNow.

It all sorts of irony baked in.
 
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Or you could buy a PS4 and play them there.

Gamepass doesn’t count, but cross gen exclusives do?

Why should people not talk about one of the systems best selling points to appease you?

In reality neither of these consoles have anything to write home about, and we are all playing bc games waiting for next gen to start.
Lol, when did I say cross gen games count? They don't. Those games we can play on PS4 fine, that's a complete different topic though. I can't believe you're telling me the reason to buy an xbox is gamepass, when I can use gamepass on any pc, phone or tablet.
 
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Lol, when did I say cross gen games count? They don't. Those games we can play on PS4 fine, that's a complete different topic though. I can't believe you're telling me the reason to buy an xbox is gamepass, when I can use gamepass on any pc, phone or tablet.
If streaming is good enough for you, then go for it.

Get XCloud and PSNow and you are pretty much set.

Since you never owned a console there is an infinite amount of games for you to play.
 

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I mean Game Pass definitely has it's pluses & they're in better shape than when he took over but I think the biggest success he's had with Xbox was convincing Nadella to open up the piggy bank as it were

I'm more hopeful for the future of Xbox first-party than I've been in a long time but I'm also cautious about it because while it looks bright it's not like we haven't been promised this before only for things to end up disappointing
I wouldn't be so hopeful. Let me ask you this, who oversees the 20+ studios Microsoft bought? I'll tell you who, no one, and in the worst case scenario it would be Phill. Phill couldn't even care to oversee what 343 was doing with their most important franchise, it's not going to be different for the other studios. That's why when they buy an studio Phill always say they will keep working as is, they'll just be part of Microsoft now. He does that so he won't have any accountability.
 
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Yselacrey00

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If streaming is good enough for you, then go for it.

Get XCloud and PSNow and you are pretty much set.

Since you never owned a console there is an infinite amount of games for you to play.
I've owned consoles all my life. I have a PS5 now and I can tell you there's absolutely not one game to play on it. I've been using it to play PS4 games this 5 months. I was gonna buy an Xbox S X but I won't make the same mistake twice. I'll wait until something comes out.

But back on topic. PS Now is a worthless service. At least gamepass has microsoft games on it, PS Now doesn't even have that. And that's because there's PS Now on PC, so Sony doesn't wanna make their games available on other platforms.
 

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While I sort of agree...why? There are tons of 3rd party MP games people want to play anyway like COD or Fortnite etc....or sports games like Madden, Fifa, even have MMOs like FF14 out on console, GTA online another one.

Last of US 2 multiplayer is on the horizon at some point so maybe that will be a breakout MP hit but who knows since nothing has been revealed but its been almost a year since Last of US 2 went gold.

I just think its hard to find a breakout multiplayer hit when there are a TON of them out there that come out all the time.

For a few of reasons...

1) There's one type of gamer particularly resistant to GamePass. The gamer who plays one game for months or years.

2) There's no better "system seller" than hearing friends talk about a game for months or years on end.

3) The industry is already headed that way. All the highest grossing games last gen have been multiplayer. You couldn't say that 15 years ago, 30 years ago.

4) What's the alternative? PlayStation has 2-3 hot AAA titles that everyone talks about for a few weeks a year, then it's GamePass engagement for the rest of the time?

It'll be interesting to see how Sony navigates this.
 
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"...hard line against the idea of console wars in the gaming industry"

Yet hanging out with TimDog and other clowns who's life would have no purpose without console wars.
 
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So if they held off for a few months it would be ok, meanwhile Sackboy, and Miles are great PS5 exclusives?

What a fucking joke.
They launch with PS5, but both are crossgen.🤷‍♂️
Still more of a launch SW than 5-6months old port.

True that, the fanfiction you're trying to peddle is a joke.
 

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I think getting Microsoft higher ups to change their way to deal with Xbox is his most important achievement.

Microsoft was thinking of selling or closing the Xbox division early-to-mid last gen. He was not only able to convince them that they should not close the division, but was also able to get their backing fully (that means the "warchest" was opened for the Xbox division).
 

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It's not only on PC. I can have gamepass on any android phone, and acorrsing to Phill, we will have a browser version soon enough. So any device with a web browser will be able to use gamepass soon.

You can't stream all Gamepass games and the PC Gamepass has less games.